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Printable Was it even that big a revelation? Jacko's been miming for years now. Akon = 2000-and-late. I'm afraid of Americans. I'm afraid of the world. | |
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whatsgoingon said: A truely great singer wouldn't stoop that low to lip sync at "live" show. MJ is not a dancer. He was always a singer, first and foremost who happened to be a great dancer, therefore his priority should always be about the singing and everything else should be secondary including the dancing.
Why should it be?? Because you say so?? MJ's focus will be on whatever the hell he wants it to be and knowing him he wants the best of both worlds, so he will mime to a degree, which amount is still open, to achieve the best results between great dancing and great singing to deliver a great live show ! The masses just as much want to see him dance as to hear him sing... it's just snobs like you, who discard his added appeal as a dancer! People would be upset too, if Prince in his concerts would stop playing instruments and from now on would only sing in his shows... Prince is just lucky in the sense that he can comfortably play his instrument until high age and it doesn't compromise his singing! MJ's fucked in that sense as everything is working against him... dancing will compromise his singing and it will be harder as older he gets! [Edited 5/31/09 20:28pm] | |
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SoulAlive said: Did Akon really say these things? This sounds like a tabloid story.It seems odd for a friend/collaborator of Michael's to go to the press and say these things.
i wouldn't put it past the media, they lied and made up a quote about the debbie rowe saying the kids weren't his thing. I think the media is just free to write whatever they want about mj and they know it. they know people will believe it and no one will question it, so they just makeup whatever they want | |
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whatsgoingon said: suga10 said: Things were quite different back in those days. It wasn't all about what Michael wanted only, it was about what the whole family wanted included Joseph as well. Michael's style back when he was with his brothers is a lot different than his style when he broke away away from his brothers and went solo. I guess that's why Michael never cares about performing a show with his brothers [Edited 5/31/09 14:46pm] Still no excuse for miming. A truely great singer wouldn't stoop that low to lip sync at "live" show. MJ is not a dancer. He was always a singer, first and foremost who happened to be a great dancer, therefore his priority should always be about the singing and everything else should be secondary including the dancing. Moreso now because of his age, there is no way he is going to be as flexible as he once was. He neglected his vocals and now he has to rely on alot of other things. To have peeps compare MJ with the likes of Britney when he once was compared with the likes of James Brown, Stevie Wonder and even Prince just goes to show how differently he is now perceived. only haters like YOU compare him to brittney | |
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Since when was Akon credible? "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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In that article, Akon admits that's he's so not part of the show that he actually had to get tickets to see it. Then we are supposed to believe him that he knows MJ is miming the entire concert? He's an audience member. Nothing more. I hope MJ sings and I hope the concert organisers are smart enough to anticipate the criticism that would come his way if he mimed the majority of the show. But he's always cared more about dancing and showmanship than live vocals, so let's just say it wont be a surprise if he milli vanillis it. | |
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I'm just happy he shows up. | |
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Again, wtf is wrong w/ you people??  This isn't surprising at all, he's reduced his performances to puppet shows ages ago. Get a grip!  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Mind you, he really hasn't sung any of his post-80s output live. On the first leg of the Dangerous Tour he tried a few newer songs, but changed to prerecorded vocals quickly. If he is indeed going to be performing mainly older material it could be a wise move, because no matter what physical shape he would be in, he has done some of those numbers maybe even hundreds of times already. You don't forget that type of stuff completely, even if it would require some practice once again.
I've understood that he wasn't in the physical condition to do the singing on the History tour, but went for it anyway since the shows were already planned and scheduled. That entire show, however, is still an embarrassment to watch. He came off rather okay during the bit with his brothers on the Anniversary thing - but again, even if he was visibly ill also during those nights, he probably would have mimed through most of the material anyway. It's not that big a deal if there are backing tapes during dance numbers like "Smooth Criminal" or "Thriller" when he is onstage with gangsters and zombies. They're just recreations of the videos and they can be viewn as performance numbers between actual musical performances. He wasn't even prentending to sing on the dance performance of "Dangerous" on TV (did he even have a microphone?). But there's absolutely no excuse doing slow numbers and tracks from "Off The Wall" with backing tapes. Hell, he even mimed "Will You Be There" and "Heal The World" - both of which should have been pretty easy for him to handle vocally. Watching him do "Man In The Mirror" with a tape has always been pretty bad too - what exactly was supposed to have been the "performance" there? His strained face as he was singing? The "performed" emotion? If you can't pull off a decent live vocal on some song then switch it for a song that you can actually handle - that's what Prince does and that's why "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" for example was hardly ever performed even around the time of its release. | |
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NONSENSE said: hee hee
LOL he has not SUNG live for some time now, if he did that would be a treat. [Edited 6/1/09 4:42am] | |
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I'm sure everyone who is buying a ticket wants to see a middle aged man dance..
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Sdldawn said: I'm sure everyone who is buying a ticket wants to see a middle aged man dance..
Agreed..... | |
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Many of his fans will disagree,but I think MJ should cut back on all the dancing.Contrary to what many people think,he doesn't need to do all that.If he sat on a stool and sang the entire concert acoustic-style,people would be just as thrilled,if not more so. | |
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SoulAlive said: Many of his fans will disagree,but I think MJ should cut back on all the dancing.Contrary to what many people think,he doesn't need to do all that.If he sat on a stool and sang the entire concert acoustic-style,people would be just as thrilled,if not more so.
Yeah, I disagree. If at all, he should do just a sit-down section, like Madonna does from time to times. She's Out Of My Life comes to mind. | |
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SoulAlive said: Many of his fans will disagree,but I think MJ should cut back on all the dancing.Contrary to what many people think,he doesn't need to do all that.If he sat on a stool and sang the entire concert acoustic-style,people would be just as thrilled,if not more so.
Well you know I love this idea. I don't mind a little light choreography here and there but the days of a dozen back up dancers and explosions and recreating videos hold little interest for me. It kills me that out of the several times I've seen him, he's only done a full live show once. At each point, I can recall being in the audience and feeling slighted. In the midst of it, I was all excited just like any other fan but half way through the show it was like I thought it was just me then I'd hear people talking about it on the way home.
Forget about the kids, can we hear you sing, please? I always thought of him as a singer who happened to dance well. When he started doing the big Dangerous and Smooth Criminal numbers I knew the singing had taken a back seat. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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novabrkr said: ... If you can't pull off a decent live vocal on some song then switch it for a song that you can actually handle - that's what Prince does and that's why "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" for example was hardly ever performed even around the time of its release.
The biggest problem for him it's because so that he can sing his live songs, it would be necessary to lower them all of half a tone at least. It's necessary to be conscious that for several years already its voice does not rise any more as well as before. To make it really simple: "He can't execute any more (for a long time now) correctly his songs, except in a recording studio." Anyway... enjoy the show !  I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon... | |
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JackieBlue said: SoulAlive said: Many of his fans will disagree,but I think MJ should cut back on all the dancing.Contrary to what many people think,he doesn't need to do all that.If he sat on a stool and sang the entire concert acoustic-style,people would be just as thrilled,if not more so.
Well you know I love this idea. I don't mind a little light choreography here and there but the days of a dozen back up dancers and explosions and recreating videos hold little interest for me. It kills me that out of the several times I've seen him, he's only done a full live show once. At each point, I can recall being in the audience and feeling slighted. In the midst of it, I was all excited just like any other fan but half way through the show it was like I thought it was just me then I'd hear people talking about it on the way home.
Forget about the kids, can we hear you sing, please? I always thought of him as a singer who happened to dance well. When he started doing the big Dangerous and Smooth Criminal numbers I knew the singing had taken a back seat. He should really have some kind of acoustic segment,where the music is stripped down and he can focus solely on his voice.I think most of his longtime fans would lose their minds if he did something like this....acoustic versions of "I Can't Help It","Butterflies" and a surprise number like "Maybe Tomorrow".This would be so much more exciting than re-creating dance moves from 30 years ago. | |
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SoulAlive said: JackieBlue said: Well you know I love this idea. I don't mind a little light choreography here and there but the days of a dozen back up dancers and explosions and recreating videos hold little interest for me. It kills me that out of the several times I've seen him, he's only done a full live show once. At each point, I can recall being in the audience and feeling slighted. In the midst of it, I was all excited just like any other fan but half way through the show it was like I thought it was just me then I'd hear people talking about it on the way home.
Forget about the kids, can we hear you sing, please? I always thought of him as a singer who happened to dance well. When he started doing the big Dangerous and Smooth Criminal numbers I knew the singing had taken a back seat. He should really have some kind of acoustic segment,where the music is stripped down and he can focus solely on his voice.I think most of his longtime fans would lose their minds if he did something like this....acoustic versions of "I Can't Help It","Butterflies" and a surprise number like "Maybe Tomorrow".This would be so much more exciting than re-creating dance moves from 30 years ago. But you know, maybe he will do something like that. There’s a possibility. It’s just that whole the biggest, the best, the most expensive, etc stuff is stale to me. Maybe he’s keeping the downscaled part under wraps and that’ll be the real surprise. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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SoulAlive said: JackieBlue said: Well you know I love this idea. I don't mind a little light choreography here and there but the days of a dozen back up dancers and explosions and recreating videos hold little interest for me. It kills me that out of the several times I've seen him, he's only done a full live show once. At each point, I can recall being in the audience and feeling slighted. In the midst of it, I was all excited just like any other fan but half way through the show it was like I thought it was just me then I'd hear people talking about it on the way home.
Forget about the kids, can we hear you sing, please? I always thought of him as a singer who happened to dance well. When he started doing the big Dangerous and Smooth Criminal numbers I knew the singing had taken a back seat. He should really have some kind of acoustic segment,where the music is stripped down and he can focus solely on his voice.I think most of his longtime fans would lose their minds if he did something like this....acoustic versions of "I Can't Help It","Butterflies" and a surprise number like "Maybe Tomorrow".This would be so much more exciting than re-creating dance moves from 30 years ago. Well, why are we so sure that he won't do just exactly that! Kenny Ortega said during the press conference something like "creating intimate moments"... so why don't we just all wait until we have seen the show, instead of saying that it will suck, without knowing how the show will be?? | |
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The thing is, during the era when he was at the height of his popularity - Thriller / Victory tour / first half of the Bad World Tour - he wasn't even dancing that much during the songs. At least not in the sense of following a strictly choreographed routine. A lot of the time he was just holding the microphone in his hand, tapping the floor with his other foot and giving the audience dramatic looks or something like that. He wasn't necessarily trying to do the kicks and the spins in excessive amounts during the sung verses or anything.
I will admit that the dancing on the History tour looked pretty damn good for the most part - better than on Dangerous - but he couldn't even pull off properly the few live segments on the first couple of songs due to being out of breath (not even the spoken part on "In The Closet"). Did he end up creating a sort of a trap for himself by making his videos so full of intense dancing, so that the concert audiences - at least a certain part of them - started expecting him to do that onstage too? | |
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I'm sure this tour is going to be a lot different than other tours he's done.
First off, he knows that critics are going to criticize him if he's unable to do a whole lot of live singing. Its all about his legacy. | |
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novabrkr said: The thing is, during the era when he was at the height of his popularity - Thriller / Victory tour / first half of the Bad World Tour - he wasn't even dancing that much during the songs. At least not in the sense of following a strictly choreographed routine. A lot of the time he was just holding the microphone in his hand, tapping the floor with his other foot and giving the audience dramatic looks or something like that. He wasn't necessarily trying to do the kicks and the spins in excessive amounts during the sung verses or anything.
I will admit that the dancing on the History tour looked pretty damn good for the most part - better than on Dangerous - but he couldn't even pull off properly the few live segments on the first couple of songs due to being out of breath (not even the spoken part on "In The Closet"). Did he end up creating a sort of a trap for himself by making his videos so full of intense dancing, so that the concert audiences - at least a certain part of them - started expecting him to do that onstage too?  | |
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suga10 said: I'm sure this tour is going to be a lot different than other tours he's done.
First off, he knows that critics are going to criticize him if he's unable to do a whole lot of live singing. Its all about his legacy. | |
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First of all I'd like to say that I'm a big fan of MJ.
But hey ! People wake up & be realistic... Michael can not sing anymore certain song without using the Lip Sync... that's a fact ! All the songs using his "Chest Voice" on a hight level...like for example: "Rock With You" - "Off The Wall" - "Thriller" - "Billie Jean" - "The Way You Make Me Feel" - "Another Part Of Me" - "In The Closet"(Exept the speaking verse) - "Black or White" - "Scream" - "They Don't Care About Us" - "Blood on the Dance Floor"... Just to name a few... So what can he sing today without using lip synching ? All the songs using his "Head Voice" like: "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" - "Workin' Day And Night" - "She's Out Of My Life" - "Heal The World"(But I still don't understand why he's always lip synching on this one !) - "Childhood" - "Speechless"... & All the songs using a mixed register Head Voice/Chest Voice on a low tone, like: "Human Nature" - "Speed Demon" - "2000 Watts" - "Don't Walk Away"... Anyway people have to be realistic... this man is only a human & he is 51 not 15... so... c'est la vie !  I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon... | |
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