trueiopian said:

Thanks!!! I love this footage
I wish I can see the whole tour
Do you have the rest of the tour?
Janet has so much energy and sounds great live!

ehuffnsd said:

Of course they are. I'm saying that I don't care because it doesn't bother me.

daPrettyman said:

I want another sibling.

ernestsewell said:

No, I"m talking clearly about who has a better chance at success. Michael has always been the bigger star of two, although Janet had a successful career as well, but Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world during his peak years, and he belongs in a whole different category. Do you not realize that he just sold out 50 shows at the O2, while Janet's Rock Witchu tour was pretty much a flop? You tell me who has the bigger impact of the two even after all this time? MJ hasn't even done jack squat in the past 9 years- no album release, not tour, nothing.

When I say that Janet's career is not looking good-I'm talking mainly about the fact that she's been getting blacklisted on radios, and when you're an artist, not having that opportunity to showcase your music on radio stations is a big deal. Sadly, its the case with Janet after the whole superbowl fiasco. I'm not sure about how well she will get promotion anymore on TV as well, because now TV networks are hesitant to give her airtime, because of the whole Superbowl stuff. They're worried about getting major fines by the FCC.
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I see this thread has turned into a Janet vs.Michael debate

Let me just say this: if Michael can pull off these 50 concerts,it will be considered the comeback of the century.Janet's gonna have to do something major to have a comeback of her own,especially since her own recent tour didn't do very well.The stakes are high.

Timmy84 said:

I hope she releases this album/project on her own. Labels don't know what to do with her.

seeingvoices12 said:

Yes, she is a legend in her own right. One of the most successful female artists in history, and one of the few who has sustained her career for multiple decades because she brought a hell of a lot to the table beyond the Jackson name.

I have no clue why Michael fans want to disrespect Janet's achievements. Janet hasn't lived in his shadow since 1986.
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Doesn't everybody- famous or not struggle at some point in their careers? Why can't she have her moment? Is she exempt? If my business was struggling I wouldn't want folks to be saying that i'm a "has been". My job is my only source of income. If I lost my niche I would be devasted- but not broken or "over".

She is a streong black woman and her career is far from being over. She's capable of changing directions when and if that's necessary.

I agree that MJ borrowed a lot from Janet too after the Thriller years though he made it his own, but she also borrowed from him...and RN was inspired by Captain EO as well.

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midiscover said:

I agree with your overall argument that each has been more successful than the other at various points, but this sentence just made me go 'huh?' Let's look at the facts:

Michael: Has done literally nothing in the last eight years except be tried for child molestation. No performances, no videos, only one lousy single five years ago. He makes one press release and gives a five minute press conference, and proceeds to sell out 1 million tickets for one city in four hours, economic crisis be damned.

Janet: Has an album out, record company promo (albeit not optimal, I agree), and has to cancel her tour due to lack of sales.

But Michael ain't shit?

Annika said:

Europe isn't facing the kind of economic crisis that the US is right now (although I know everything effects everything one some level). He also billed it as 'the last time' he'll ever perform in Europe and the UK. OF COURSE he's going to sell out. It's not JUST a tour it's the final one there.



The tour was selling fine. I think she lost a lot of interest once Island Def Jam became so staunch on the next single and dropped all promotion. It seems that they were being the usual corporate brat toward an artist. I'm kind of glad that all happened, because at this point, she's a free agent. I'd LOVE for her to go independent and do that route. More MAJOR artists need to take that route. Sure it's some personal monies up front, but in the end, the lion's share goes back to the artist, not the record company, not the studio, not some manager, etc. (Of course the right people get paid fairly.)

Read all of what I wrote though. I said MJ ain't shit. I also said I WISH he was. I WISH I was hearing a new, fresh, and awesome MJ song on the radio. I WANT MJ to invade corporate and indie radio again. I WANT to read about his tour, his new hot video. Instead we read about his 5 minute press conference (which it seems at 50, he still can't form a full sentence without stepping all over his own words.....and that "shy" bullshiz ain't cutting it anymore with me), and the constant focus on his skin, his dwindling face, etc.

In the end, the public can only work with what you give them. Whether you're a singer, an actor, or just a person among friends...the other people looking in can ONLY work and judge based on what they see and what they are given to work with. MJ has given a lot of NOTHING lately. I'm sure the 02 shows will be great, but he'll just never be anything THAT great again. His time has passed. He should have just bowed out gracefully after that 4 disk collection set came out a few years ago. Just go enjoy his life and let it be.

ernestsewell said:

I don't want to get into a discussion with you, I've said what I wanted to say (and anyway, we basically agree, I think). Just FYI, though, the UK is badly hit by the crisis. Really badly. In the autumn, some people were suggesting that it might even be worse off than the US, though I don't think that's actually true at this point. Nevertheless, it's unfair to suggest that Michael doesn't have to deal with the same economic circumstances that Janet does.

ernestsewell said:

His comeback attracted a lot of headlines even on the US news networks like CNN, MSNBC, etc. etc. He has the ability to attract attention. Just see how chaotic Beverly Hills got when he went out shopping at some porcelain store.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...iqs9vhUHHs

I doubt everyone was a Jackson fan in that video, but there are people who will try to get a glimpse of him whether they're haters or not.




There was hardly a demand for tickets for Rock Witchu, nothing compared to the All for You, Velvet Rope, Janet, or Rhythm Nation tours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...itchu_Tour

The demand for her shows were less in huge cities like Houston, Dallas, New York City. The fact that only that many tickets were available for a Janet show is troublesome.

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VoicesCarry said:

What the hell....

when I have disrespected Janet jackson's achievments? Im laughing at some comments of you janet fans who are infalting her talents and denying that her last name didn't play a role in her popularity, if you followed my comments
you would know that I have said that janet does have talent , dancing talent ,other than that i wouldn't take her seriously as a real artist.....she could dance but thats it, she doesn't have a good voice.

and please ...i don't hate janet,she is Michael jackson's sister , i do love her, I dig some of her music, I have some of her albums but she is nowhere near MJ, to put her on Mj's level is ridiculous.

Plus, I don't feel in anyway that Janet is a threat to MJ, because its a common fact that talent-wise and sales-wise she is nowhere near him, with all what he has been through he sold out 50 shows london within five hours while janet ( with all of her continous output) blamed it on the economic crisis.

midiscover said:

who cares about IT (them), obviously when someone is hating on jaent like that, THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HER, AND PROBABLY ONLY KNOW like one song. I bet if he listened to all her albums and watched EVERY video it/he/she change their views.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

WHY ARE YOU EVEN AGREEING WITH THIS, when you said you did NOT like janet's music and did not like her as an artist. If you never liked her music, how would you know the quality of it and what she is doing.

SO WHY ARE YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT JANET????? Im trying to figure out.

seeingvoices12 said:

HELLO,

whether you like it or not, PEOPLE like you and that bootylick person who HATE or dislike janet, will ALWAYS PUT JANET behind micheals shawdow.

but for people who enjoy her music, and like her as an artist do NOT think of micheal jackson.

when i listen to janet's music, i DO NOT THINK OF MICHAEL JACKSON, as a matter of fact they are COMPLETELY different. And i have heard many people say that as well. Its only the people who don't know anything about janet who put her in his Michael's shadow.

janet is a STAR IN HER OWN RIGHT, she can go by first name, she doesn't need that jackson to help her. She would not have made it this far if she was in Mj's shadow. I remember at certain times janet was MORE popular then michael, and according to billboard is more successful with singles then Michael.

ps, would michael be a legend if he didn't work with Quincy????? or James Ingram or whatever producers he has worked with???

Janet is DEFINITLY a LEGEND, you can see Ciara, Beyonce, Britney Spears, Christian A. All copy Janet. She is definitly an Icon, whether you want to admit or not. But i bet you have no problem call Madge a legend and she has LESS talent then Miss Jay

trueiopian said:

i know every artist gets haters, i mean look at all the people who came into this thread. Talking about they hate her music. OKAY IF YOU HATE HER MUSIC, and never thought is was good, HOW CAN YOU JUDGE HER CAREER, even when she HAD BIG HITS, you didn't like her music anyways. So why would it matter if you don't like them now, you didn't help support janet then. So how would you know what janet can do, when you didn't even like what she did before


So these people aren't really contributing, or even have constructive criticism.

ooopsi double post
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TotalAlisa said:

Now I started to feel that this is a silly, childish debate, why the hell you brought madonna into the discussion? why you are so defensive if you have such a trust in janet abilites? calm down, its not that serious.

The subject of this damn thread that is " Is janet's career over"?and if you followed my comments you notice that i didn't respond to that question and never posted in this thread until some of you janet fans compared her to MJ , and tried to deny that her last name didn't play a role in her popularity, and for the 2198712971290187319283 times I say that I don't hate janet , im saying that she wil always live Mj's shadow or her family's shadow, they started before her, she she was even born, Im not saying that her last name is the main reason of her prior success , im saying that it played a role in her popularity, which is the truth.

God ....are my words too hard to understand, what the hell....
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ernestsewell said:

Um, I think you and some other posters might have missed my point. I never denied her talent nor did I say Janet was a success due to her last name. However, I still maintain that if she didn't come from a well known respected musical family that the record company would have not given her another chance to record another album. Regardless of the fact Michael wasn't as big as he would become later on and the Jacksons record sales were dying down, the family was still known. I believe it opened doors for Janet in the beginning, regardless if yourself and other Janet fans want to deny it.

Either way, hiring a choreographer and of course working with Jimmy & Terry really changed the direction of Janet's career for good. That's what ultimately did it, not her last name. I've watched early videos of her from when she was starting out and she was really not that much better than Latoya to be honest. Obviously she would prove herself to be a much better talent later on, but it took a while. She was kinda mediocre in the beginning. Janet's worked very hard to get where she is though and her talent and accomplishments shouldn't be downplayed. Janet has done extrememly well for herself and I would like to see her have success in the future. I feel like she's been unfairly blacklisted these past few years. Her new material certainly isn't worse than anything on radio today. Hopefully, things will look up for her with the new album.

seeingvoices12 said:

Ha, I feel the opposite. I feel the last name opened doors for her in the beginning and i'm talking about the early 80's here before "Control" came out. The Jackson last name however is not why she was a success. People weren't buying her albums because she was a Jackson. Janet's had several good-great albums, eye catching music videos and she is a dynamic performer. A great package overall. That's why she's been such a success.

Cinnamon234 said:

I always say it like this: she got successful as herself, and controversial as a Jackson.

TotalAlisa said:

I know! I find it funny that people would say she's only successful
because of her last name... If anything it hurt her career more then helped it seeing how people think her family is bat shit crazy I think people should give Janet a chance and just watch a few of her performances, listen to her songs. She's a artist in her own right and more then an artist MJ will ever be! and I don't think her career is over. That's a stupid question! She has been in the industry longer then I've been alive and I don't think a star of her caliber would ever go amiss!She's just at a low point of her career. Every artist's popularity fluctuate.She can still make it on top!

seeingvoices12 said:

Wow! you sound like a broken record
you're just finding any reason to hate on Janet! her last name didn't her become sucessful nor popular! If that were the case what happened to her last two albums? Why didn't they chart so well? or what about her first 2 albums which were released during the Thriller phenomenon....
So tell how the hell did her last name help her?????
You can only wish that Janet is the shadow of her family
fuck the haters!!!!!

BOTH JANET AND MICHAEL ARE SUCCESSFUL. BOTH HAVE HAD #1 ALBUMS, STRINGS OF HIT SINGLES, GOLD AND MULTI-PLATINUM ALBUMS. BOTH HAVE HAD UPSETS IN THEIR CAREERS IN RECENT YEARS. BOTH NEED A REBOOT TO THEIR CAREERS. BOTH ARE EQUALLY TALENTED, ENTERTAINING, AND STILL FUN TO LISTEN TO AND WATCH.

Gheez, let's move forward, shall we?

ernestsewell said:

Yes!

ernestsewell said:

YES! Michael and Janet BOTH know where they stand when it comes to competing with each other, but whats sad is that some of their "fans" pit them against each other...Both are talented...and I will say that while Janet is not on the same level as Michael, she DAMN SURE is in a league of her own...

They're brother and sister for crying out loud! It's friendly competition to them...& im sure Michael doesnt get in Janets face and yell, "Thats why my album Thriller is the biggest selling album of all time! *sticks tongue out*"
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