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PrintableYes I think her career is done.
She had a great career in the 80s and 90s, but has been't all that good for Post 2001. Superbowl pretty much wrecked her career, and even led to her being blacklisted on radio stations. Also the quality of her music has went down big time. She used to show more emotion in albums and have great songs before and have creativity, now- its almost like she's trying to fit in with all the new singers, and follow the trend, instead of coming up with something innovative and fresh to set her apart from the rest. She has pretty much let Jermaine Dupri take over her career, when she was clearly better off with Jam and Lewis. As for Michael, its a whole different story. Given all the stuff he's went through. There are tons of people out there who still admire and appreciate his music after all these years. He's a legend and has a massive loyal fanbase, and I think its going well for him so far since he sold out 50 shows at the O2.  | |
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suga10 said: Y
As for Michael, its a whole different story. Given all the stuff he's went through and how people did turn against him,there are tons of people out there who still admire and appreciate his music after all these years. He's a legend, and I think its going well for him so far since he sold out 50 shows at the O2. So by your logic, we should admire MJ's music because of his struggle, but we should ignore gems like Control, 1814, janet., and Velvet Rope because Janet's tit showed. If anyone's music has taken a huge decline, it's been MJ's since HIStory. He became angry, cursing all the time (while simultaneously dedicating it to the children of the world) on records, and talking about how down trodden he's been. Boo hoo Michael. He had a bazillion dollars, and could have done anything he wanted. He squandered it, lived above his means (ya can't live on Thriller forever while living in a place that costs a million dollars a month to run) and your record sales are a 10th of what they used to be. Janet's a legend as much as Michael is, and THAT is the flat out truth. | |
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So by your logic, we should admire MJ's music because of his struggle, but we should ignore gems like Control, 1814, janet., and Velvet Rope because Janet's tit showed.
If anyone's music has taken a huge decline, it's been MJ's since HIStory. He became angry, cursing all the time (while simultaneously dedicating it to the children of the world) on records, and talking about how down trodden he's been. Boo hoo Michael. He had a bazillion dollars, and could have done anything he wanted. He squandered it, lived above his means (ya can't live on Thriller forever while living in a place that costs a million dollars a month to run) and your record sales are a 10th of what they used to be. Janet's a legend as much as Michael is, and THAT is the flat out truth. Wow, u call us MJ fans crazy and looney when we defend him but God forbid we say something bad about Janet. Michael has always been outselling Janet for years. Even his number ones during his trial sold 5 times as much as Damita Joe. Janet is a good artist...legend?? no and please don't compare Michael to Janet, She's not on his level and never will be. Michael's in a league on his own. Weren't most of Janet's songs written by her husband at that time? Yeah, she could hold a tune. She can sing and dance...there's a lot people that can do that...but that doesn't make you a legend. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: Wow, u call us MJ fans crazy and looney when we defend him but God forbid we say something bad about Janet. Michael has always been outselling Janet for years. Even his number ones during his trial sold 5 times as much as Damita Joe. Janet is a good artist...legend?? no and please don't compare Michael to Janet, She's not on his level and never will be. Michael's in a league on his own. Weren't most of Janet's songs written by her husband at that time? Yeah, she could hold a tune. She can sing and dance...there's a lot people that can do that...but that doesn't make you a legend.
I didn't call anyone loony. You're quoting someone else, not me on that one. I've defended MJ too. I'm also a realist in things. I couldn't give a shit about who sold how much. If MJ sold the usual 10 million or so for Thriller, this conversation wouldn't even be happening. His record sales have dramatically declined since 1982. Frankly it's a little tired to hear the same old "MJ is better than Janet" argument or vice versa. You sound a bit more loony trying to discredit Janet's career in lieu of her brother's stagnant attempt at a come back at the 02. Kind of weird, because this whole time there's always been room for both of them in the industry. And Janet is as good as Michael, and at times has been better. But it still boils down to apples and oranges. | |
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ernestsewell said: suga10 said: Y
As for Michael, its a whole different story. Given all the stuff he's went through and how people did turn against him,there are tons of people out there who still admire and appreciate his music after all these years. He's a legend, and I think its going well for him so far since he sold out 50 shows at the O2. So by your logic, we should admire MJ's music because of his struggle, but we should ignore gems like Control, 1814, janet., and Velvet Rope because Janet's tit showed. If anyone's music has taken a huge decline, it's been MJ's since HIStory. He became angry, cursing all the time (while simultaneously dedicating it to the children of the world) on records, and talking about how down trodden he's been. Boo hoo Michael. He had a bazillion dollars, and could have done anything he wanted. He squandered it, lived above his means (ya can't live on Thriller forever while living in a place that costs a million dollars a month to run) and your record sales are a 10th of what they used to be. Janet's a legend as much as Michael is, and THAT is the flat out truth. I have to agree that Michael and Janet are legends. However as for him squandering, the man still gets million dollar checks from the ATV thing alone so he ain't crying over failing sales anytime soon. 
Janet's tit doesn't take away that she's a talented artist who already been to the mountaintop. If anything I'm amazed she was able to have continuous success in her career REGARDLESS of current sales. The tit didn't destroy her career, probably put a damper on it, but it didn't destroy it. [Edited 5/14/09 16:19pm] | |
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datdude said: Mick Jagger & Aerosmith are STILL singing about sex, and both dudes are as old as Moses.
LOL, Aerosmith is a DUDE??!! I know what/who you mean (Steven Tyler), That was just funny to me "mick jagger" and aerosmith...
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Harlepolis said: datdude said: LOL, Aerosmith is a DUDE??!! I know what/who you mean (Steven Tyler), That was just funny to me "mick jagger" and aerosmith...
Yeah but I know what you meant by Steven Tyler. He still tonguing girls and shit and flicking his tongue like he still 25. | |
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Timmy84 said: Harlepolis said:
Yeah but I know what you meant by Steven Tyler. He still tonguing girls and shit and flicking his tongue like he still 25. So thats his name. Honestly, I didn't give a shit enough to look up the dude's name, I'm only fimiliar with the group. | |
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Harlepolis said: Timmy84 said: Yeah but I know what you meant by Steven Tyler. He still tonguing girls and shit and flicking his tongue like he still 25. So thats his name. Honestly, I didn't give a shit enough to look up the dude's name, I'm only fimiliar with the group.
I'm kinda of a fan from afar of them (well I like some of their 1970s and 1980s joints) but I already know who was Steven. | |
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I didn't call anyone loony. You're quoting someone else, not me on that one. I've defended MJ too. I'm also a realist in things. I couldn't give a shit about who sold how much. If MJ sold the usual 10 million or so for Thriller, this conversation wouldn't even be happening. His record sales have dramatically declined since 1982.
Frankly it's a little tired to hear the same old "MJ is better than Janet" argument or vice versa. You sound a bit more loony trying to discredit Janet's career in lieu of her brother's stagnant attempt at a come back at the 02. Kind of weird, because this whole time there's always been room for both of them in the industry. And Janet is as good as Michael, and at times has been better. But it still boils down to apples and oranges. Ok, I respect your opinion. I don't like Janet and get irritated at people acting like she is a saint and can't do anything wrong. Every artist has their best selling album. Hey, Britney Spears first album was her best selling but her best album is Blackout in my opinion. Just because an album sells lots more than the other doesn't mean it's an artist's best album. I don't think Michael would of gotten that big and sold that much if he hadn't done the moonwalk at Motown 25 and the thriller video with the thriller album. His best album is Off the Wall by far...it should of gotten the recognition the thriller got. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: I didn't call anyone loony. You're quoting someone else, not me on that one. I've defended MJ too. I'm also a realist in things. I couldn't give a shit about who sold how much. If MJ sold the usual 10 million or so for Thriller, this conversation wouldn't even be happening. His record sales have dramatically declined since 1982.
Frankly it's a little tired to hear the same old "MJ is better than Janet" argument or vice versa. You sound a bit more loony trying to discredit Janet's career in lieu of her brother's stagnant attempt at a come back at the 02. Kind of weird, because this whole time there's always been room for both of them in the industry. And Janet is as good as Michael, and at times has been better. But it still boils down to apples and oranges. Ok, I respect your opinion. I don't like Janet and get irritated at people acting like she is a saint and can't do anything wrong. Every artist has their best selling album. Hey, Britney Spears first album was her best selling but her best album is Blackout in my opinion. Just because an album sells lots more than the other doesn't mean it's an artist's best album. I don't think Michael would of gotten that big and sold that much if he hadn't done the moonwalk at Motown 25 and the thriller video with the thriller album. His best album is Off the Wall by far...it should of gotten the recognition the thriller got. Janet is a saint! | |
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Cinnamon234 said: midiscover said: Here we go again with this bullshit! Michael didn't help jack shit! What happened to Latoya's career? Jermaine's? Rebbie's? Tito's? The whole mothafuckin family!?!?! Huh? huh? huh? Why do so many people discredit Janet's ability? 
Assholes.  Well Janet's career at first WAS helped by her last name. Remember, Janet's first two albums flopped. Now if her name had been Janet Johnson or something, the record label would have dropped her and she would not have been given a chance to record another album and work with Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. So, yes her last name did help her in the beginning of her career, but ultimately it was teaming up with Jimmy Jam & Terry, as well as hard work, dedication and talent that helped her to last this long in the business and have a successful career. Janet didn't have a successful career because of Michael or any Jackson, but it certainly did help her get record deals and such in the beginning when she was starting out. [Edited 5/14/09 14:30pm] Ok you say her career benefited from her last name then you go on to say her first two albums flopped? So her last name obviously didn't her career! Someone else mentioned that Janet's label didn't include her last name when they distributed Control to radio.... Her last name really doesn't mean shit! She didn't put her last name on her most successful album to date the janet.album and also the Velvet Rope album. I hate how people limit everything about Janet as if she made no f--king contribution to the music industry! Y'all act like MJ invented every form of dancing or singing! and Janet just followed into his foot steps! NO! Janet is a legend and an artist in her right! | |
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midiscover said: Cinnamon234 said: Well Janet's career at first WAS helped by her last name. Remember, Janet's first two albums flopped. Now if her name had been Janet Johnson or something, the record label would have dropped her and she would not have been given a chance to record another album and work with Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. So, yes her last name did help her in the beginning of her career, but ultimately it was teaming up with Jimmy Jam & Terry, as well as hard work, dedication and talent that helped her to last this long in the business and have a successful career. Janet didn't have a successful career because of Michael or any Jackson, but it certainly did help her get record deals and such in the beginning when she was starting out. [Edited 5/14/09 14:30pm] Ok you say her career benefited from her last name then you go on to say her first two albums flopped? So her last name obviously didn't her career! Someone else mentioned that Janet's label didn't include her last name when they distributed Control to radio.... Her last name really doesn't mean shit! She didn't put her last name on her most successful album to date the janet.album and also the Velvet Rope album. I hate how people limit everything about Janet as if she made no f--king contribution to the music industry! Y'all act like MJ invented every form of dancing or singing! and Janet just followed into his foot steps! NO! Janet is a legend and an artist in her right!Hello... whether people like it or not, Janet will always live in Mj's shadow, something that janet fans should live with and understand , I dig some janet stuff, but i highly doubt that anyone would take her seriously as an artist if it wasn't for her last name or jimmy jam and terry lewis, now , do i think that janet has some talent? I say yes ..but a legend? come on... Legends have certain characteristics ,Janet misses alot of them. [Edited 5/14/09 17:23pm] MICHAEL JACKSON
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whether people like it or not, Janet will always live in Mj's shadow, something that janet fans should live with and understand , I dig some janet stuff, but i highly doubt that anyone would take her seriously as an artist if it wasn't for her last name or jimmy jam and terry lewis, now , do i think that janet has some talent? I say yes ..but a legend? come on... Legends have certain characteristics ,Janet misses alot of them. Preach!!!!  | |
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seeingvoices12 said: midiscover said: Ok you say her career benefited from her last name then you go on to say her first two albums flopped? So her last name obviously didn't her career! Someone else mentioned that Janet's label didn't include her last name when they distributed Control to radio.... Her last name really doesn't mean shit! She didn't put her last name on her most successful album to date the janet.album and also the Velvet Rope album. I hate how people limit everything about Janet as if she made no f--king contribution to the music industry! Y'all act like MJ invented every form of dancing or singing! and Janet just followed into his foot steps! NO! Janet is a legend and an artist in her right!Hello... whether people like it or not, Janet will always live in Mj's shadow, something that janet fans should live with and understand , I dig some janet stuff, but i highly doubt that anyone would take her seriously as an artist if it wasn't for her last name or jimmy jam and terry lewis, now , do i think that janet has some talent? I say yes ..but a legend? come on... Legends have certain characteristics ,Janet misses alot of them. [Edited 5/14/09 17:23pm] You wish! She no longer was in his shadow with her release of Rhythm Nation 1814. You MJ fans just can't get into your head that MJ isn't the only talented person in the Jackson family LOL! and mind telling me these characteristics that legends have? Janet has left her mark in the industry! She basically set it off for the females where as MJ set off for the guys! Every female artist out now have studied Janet's moves and overall career! People have been taking her seriously as an artist since RN1814! Where have you been? She's the only Jackson that hasn't gone bat shit! She's actually more relevant then your beloved MJ! | |
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Janet actually surpassed MJ in terms of success and overall popularity in the 90's around the time of Scream. He used his own sister for his own success | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: Yes I think her career is done.
She had a great career in the 80s and 90s, but has been't all that good for Post 2001. Superbowl pretty much wrecked her career, and even led to her being blacklisted on radio stations. Also the quality of her music has went down big time. She used to show more emotion in albums and have great songs before and have creativity, now- its almost like she's trying to fit in with all the new singers, and follow the trend, instead of coming up with something innovative and fresh to set her apart from the rest. She has pretty much let Jermaine Dupri take over her career, when she was clearly better off with Jam and Lewis. As for Michael, its a whole different story. Given all the stuff he's went through. There are tons of people out there who still admire and appreciate his music after all these years. He's a legend and has a massive loyal fanbase, and I think its going well for him so far since he sold out 50 shows at the O2. The Superbowl didn't wreck her career. The press ram-rodded her out of the spotlight with the constant "news" stories of the half-a-second glimpse of a boob with a nipple ring. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: The Superbowl didn't wreck her career. The press ram-rodded her out of the spotlight with the constant "news" stories of the half-a-second glimpse of a boob with a nipple ring. Yeah all that was was just an annoyance. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: midiscover said: Ok you say her career benefited from her last name then you go on to say her first two albums flopped? So her last name obviously didn't her career! Someone else mentioned that Janet's label didn't include her last name when they distributed Control to radio.... Her last name really doesn't mean shit! She didn't put her last name on her most successful album to date the janet.album and also the Velvet Rope album. I hate how people limit everything about Janet as if she made no f--king contribution to the music industry! Y'all act like MJ invented every form of dancing or singing! and Janet just followed into his foot steps! NO! Janet is a legend and an artist in her right!Hello... whether people like it or not, Janet will always live in Mj's shadow, something that janet fans should live with and understand , I dig some janet stuff, but i highly doubt that anyone would take her seriously as an artist if it wasn't for her last name or jimmy jam and terry lewis, now , do i think that janet has some talent? I say yes ..but a legend? come on... Legends have certain characteristics ,Janet misses alot of them. [Edited 5/14/09 17:23pm] 
Ooo I swear its like a stigma being a Janet fan! People always got shit to say! | |
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Leave Janet alone!
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midiscover said: seeingvoices12 said: Hello... whether people like it or not, Janet will always live in Mj's shadow, something that janet fans should live with and understand , I dig some janet stuff, but i highly doubt that anyone would take her seriously as an artist if it wasn't for her last name or jimmy jam and terry lewis, now , do i think that janet has some talent? I say yes ..but a legend? come on... Legends have certain characteristics ,Janet misses alot of them. [Edited 5/14/09 17:23pm] You wish! She no longer was in his shadow with her release of Rhythm Nation 1814. You MJ fans just can't get into your head that MJ isn't the only talented person in the Jackson family LOL! and mind telling me these characteristics that legends have? Janet has left her mark in the industry! She basically set it off for the females where as MJ set off for the guys! Every female artist out now have studied Janet's moves and overall career! People have been taking her seriously as an artist since RN1814! Where have you been? She's the only Jackson that hasn't gone bat shit! She's actually more relevant then your beloved MJ! If you don't change the tone you talking with then I need to drop this debate, no need for childish comments like "you wish","your beloved MJ", we are having a musical discussion , its not that serious. Janet will always live in MJ's shadow,if people say who is janet? others reply that she is michael jackson's sister,plain and simple, thats reality and you need to live with it. Janet jackson is not a great songwriter, composer, lyricist, Almost all her songs are written by others like james harris,terry lewis , she doesn't have a style of her own, if she has one? could you tell me please what it is? Janet moves? what moves? most of those moves were already done and created by Mj before janet even started to crawl.. Now I don't want to turn this a silly Mj Vs janet thread, because i have nothing against her, and as i have said, I dig some of her stuff, but stop inflating her talent,and comparing her to MJ, MJ is alot of things, he is a whole another different story. MICHAEL JACKSON
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midiscover said: Janet actually surpassed MJ in terms of success and overall popularity in the 90's around the time of Scream. He used his own sister for his own success
Success for sure (especially from 93-96). Popularity, I don't think so. MJ was still extremely popular in 95 when he released HIStory. "You Are Not Alone" is one of the biggest hits of his career. It is in the Guinness Book of World Records for being the first single to debut at number one. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Lord, can't we just accept these facts:
Michael and Janet have both been very successful. Janet just needs a different strategy or something. Damn! | |
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Timmy84 said: Lord, can't we just accept these facts:
Michael and Janet have both been very successful. Janet just needs a different strategy or something. Damn! Pretty much. They both do really. MJ's 50 run at the 02 (which I'll believe when I see, and if he does do it, we'll be hearing about it forever in the media) could be a catapult at a new album. He's been talking about a new album for years. will.i.am and others have been on the album, or have they? No one knows. As long as it's not another Invincible, it's hopeful. Janet does need a strategy. Discipline was a great CD, but Island dropped the fucking ball on it for whatever reason. The tour probably won't be released on DVD either, which sucks donkey ass. She should just take a few years off, do some movies or whatever or just relax... and really shop some new songs. Or get back w/ Jam/Lewis and get it done. Stop making a million cooing "baby making" songs, rock the shit outta few songs like she did with "Feedback", "Rock With U", etc. They both need a major overhaul. But both have had a LOT of success, sometimes equal, sometimes one more than the other. Both have outdone the other at any given time. Apples and oranges. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: midiscover said: You wish! She no longer was in his shadow with her release of Rhythm Nation 1814. You MJ fans just can't get into your head that MJ isn't the only talented person in the Jackson family LOL! and mind telling me these characteristics that legends have? Janet has left her mark in the industry! She basically set it off for the females where as MJ set off for the guys! Every female artist out now have studied Janet's moves and overall career! People have been taking her seriously as an artist since RN1814! Where have you been? She's the only Jackson that hasn't gone bat shit! She's actually more relevant then your beloved MJ! If you don't change the tone you talking with then I need to drop this debate, no need for childish comments like "you wish","your beloved MJ", we are having a musical discussion , its not that serious. Janet will always live in MJ's shadow,if people say who is janet? others reply that she is michael jackson's sister,plain and simple, thats reality and you need to live with it. Janet jackson is not a great songwriter, composer, lyricist, Almost all her songs are written by others like james harris,terry lewis , she doesn't have a style of her own, if she has one? could you tell me please what it is? Janet moves? what moves? most of those moves were already done and created by Mj before janet even started to crawl.. Now I don't want to turn this a silly Mj Vs janet thread, because i have nothing against her, and as i have said, I dig some of her stuff, but stop inflating her talent,and comparing her to MJ, MJ is alot of things, he is a whole another different story. LOL@ the first sentence Like a true floon always getting sensitive! I have never met anyone that doesn't know Janet Jackson. I'm sure in certain parts of the world they may refer to her as MJ's sister simply because his far more popular worldwide but that doesn't make Janet any less of a legend! There are girls in Japan mimicking Janet! That sounds like a legend to me! Now your saying Janet is not a great songwriter HMMMMM! Ok this is the same person that wrote Together again and yes she wrote this song all by herself at a 4 seasons hotel! and I think you forgot that a songwriter doesn't just write the lyrics to the song they also create the structure of the song! So any credit given to J&L as songwriter is for that specific reason but Janet has written just about every song on all her albums but her last two. and are you trying to tell me that J&L wrote Anytime,Anyplace or Control
Did you know Janet's RN184 album influenced the Dangerous album? Did you know that MJ incooperated Janet's Rhythm Nation routine into his Jam performance for the Dangerous tour? Did you know MJ is inspired by his sister Janet Jackson? Heck! Did you know MJ isn't as original as you and other MJ fans make him seem! He has inspirations just like you, me and everyone else! He didn't come up with the things his done from mid air! Granted, there never was a Michael Jackson before Michael Jackson and the same can be said about Janet Jackson. She was the first female to do the whole choreography with back up dancers. Britney Spears, Ciara, Mya, Beyonce, Christina Aguilara, J.Lo and the list are quoted praising Janet.Janet is a legend! ^^^^^ This right here is pure talent! Not because she's a Jackson! | |
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and also Janet has been writing songs since she was 9 years old. She even wrote a few songs for Latoya. | |
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ernestsewell said: Timmy84 said: Lord, can't we just accept these facts:
Michael and Janet have both been very successful. Janet just needs a different strategy or something. Damn! Pretty much. They both do really. MJ's 50 run at the 02 (which I'll believe when I see, and if he does do it, we'll be hearing about it forever in the media) could be a catapult at a new album. He's been talking about a new album for years. will.i.am and others have been on the album, or have they? No one knows. As long as it's not another Invincible, it's hopeful. Janet does need a strategy. Discipline was a great CD, but Island dropped the fucking ball on it for whatever reason. The tour probably won't be released on DVD either, which sucks donkey ass. She should just take a few years off, do some movies or whatever or just relax... and really shop some new songs. Or get back w/ Jam/Lewis and get it done. Stop making a million cooing "baby making" songs, rock the shit outta few songs like she did with "Feedback", "Rock With U", etc. They both need a major overhaul. But both have had a LOT of success, sometimes equal, sometimes one more than the other. Both have outdone the other at any given time. Apples and oranges. She's already back in the studio with Jimmy & Terry so that's a start. | |
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Timmy84 said: She's already back in the studio with Jimmy & Terry so that's a start.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the update! That's great to hear. | |
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ernestsewell said: Timmy84 said: She's already back in the studio with Jimmy & Terry so that's a start.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the update! That's great to hear. Yeah Jimmy confirmed it in February. I think it was during Grammy week. And there's been several Twitter updates about some engineer who saw Janet and Jimmy in the studio together. So far that's the only tidbits we have about that. But those are promising signs. [Edited 5/14/09 18:30pm] | |
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