kdj997 said:

Here we go again with this bullshit!

Michael didn't help jack shit! What happened to Latoya's career? Jermaine's? Rebbie's? Tito's? The whole mothafuckin family!?!?! Huh? huh? huh?

Why do so many people discredit Janet's ability?

Assholes.

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midiscover said:

Exactly. It's a total lack of anything original to think of, so let's just demote a career that started at age 5 to her ONE brother. B O R I N G argument.

MJ wrote songs for Rebbie, sang with Jermaine, and did the VICTORY album even though he didn't really want to, all for his family. Where is everyone now? Micheal doesn't have the golden touch, especially on all things Janet. If anything, it used to be "Michael's little sister Janet." But now it's "Janet's big brother, Michael". MJ aint' shit. I wish he was! I wish I was hearing great music from him again, but Dangerous was his last great album. And that was 16 or more years ago. I WISH MJ was relevant, but he's not.

As far as Janet....what's all the negativity? It happens every time she's between albums. "Oh where did she go? Her career is over." Is Prince's career over between albums? Of course not. Prince fans would bitch to high heaven that "he never left".

Janet ain't goin' no where. If you don't like her, piss off, and use your energy elsewhere, something positive perhaps?

kdj997 said:

I don't think Janet's fame has anything to do with her name. Janet came along at a time when technology was good to make anyone a singer. She always had a "cute" voice, but A&M revamped Janet and turned her into a star. It definitely was clever marketing and good music that complimented her vocals.

I remember reading that when the first single was released from Control, they sent it to radio with no label on it. Only the title of the single. Then people found out who it was and freaked.

midiscover said:

I think Jermaine and Latoya killed their own careers.

I don't think Rebbie or Tito wanted to be singers or performers. I think Tito wanted to be a musician and Rebbie wanted to be a mom..

daPrettyman said:

However, some of the blame goes to Jack Gordon, regarding LaToya. She REALLY had a bad light on her during that time. Also, she's just not that great of a singer. She's like the Earline Mandrell of the group. Jermaine had a good career going, but he just kind of died off, and moved to another country, changed his name.....wow, sounds kind of familiar.

ernestsewell said:

I definitely blame Jack Gordon for LaToya's downfall.

I find it interesting that all of the shit LaToya was talking about in the 80s and 90s has pretty much come true. The only rumor that she kept talking about that hasn't been proven is that Janet has a child. She definitely told the truth about MJ bleaching his skin.

Why do people talk like Jermaine didn’t have a successful solo career? He did quite well after breaking away from the Jackson Five and as mentioned he may have been the demise of his own career combined with the fact that it had simply run its course. Everyone doesn’t have to be on the scene for 30+ years. I wouldn’t put him in the same league as LaToya at all. I think if LaToya had better material and no Jack Gordon she might have lasted a little longer too.
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ernestsewell said:

THANK YOU!

daPrettyman said:

Basically. It's just that Janet was the ONLY determined one in the family to really make it on her own. MOST of the other Jacksons did it as a family-organized thing. The reason why Mike and Janet became so successful was because they didn't wanna be part of no family-organized production.

daPrettyman said:

Do you think LaToya got fired from the Moulin Rouge because of Jack Gordon?

JackieBlue said:

I wouldn't either but I think his laziness in his own MUSIC career (not his career as a reality star and TV personality in Britain) led to his downfall in that career. And if La Toya had better management (and maybe better songs), she may be the fourth Jackson to have some substantial solo success but oh well, lol.

Harlepolis said:

End of.

MarySharon said:

I never knew she was in the mix for it, but I'm SO glad she didn't end up in it. Was it because of Jack Gordon? Who knows. LaToya left Jack in 1997, and divorced sometime after. Moulin Rouge was released in in the summer of 2001 and was probably filmed in 1999 or 2000, so LaToya wouldn't have had Jack breathing down her throat about it thereby negating any director or producer's concern about Jack's influence on LaToya or the deal at hand. He would have been a non-issue to anyone at that point in anything regarding LaToya.

Timmy84 said:

I cringed a bit when I read that. I'm not sure she really has the voice or talent to pull that off. Jermaine though, had some level of talent in writing songs and singing and performing. But I also agree his career ran its course. People lost interest in Jermaine. They know him but don't care if he sings "Do What You Do" anymore. Too bad Michael can't see the same thing happening to his career. HIStory should have been the last disk he put out, or Blood On The Dance Floor.

JackieBlue said:

Michelle was in a band with a girl i went to High School with called the Wreckers

they have since gone solo again.

Sorry but I gotta agree with him. Michael's name and talent has helped many Jackson family members get record deals. Don't get me wrong, they are a talented family but Michael sweeps them under the rug. You can hear how Michael's voice overpowers in songs with the Jackson 5 as well as dancing wise. Janet can dance but she's too stiff and rehearsed in my opinion...I think Paula Abdul can outdance her...she can also dance her ass off in my opinion. Plus Janet can't sing well..very weak vocals and a lot of her music is boring to me so I could care less if her career is over. I never liked her when I was little and I don't like her now.. yes I am the only Michael Jackson fan that doesn't like Janet lol. Some of her 90s music is good but that's it to me. She should stick to acting from now on.

JackieBlue said:

if older people aren't supposed to sing about sex are they allowed to have sex?

midiscover said:

Well Janet's career at first WAS helped by her last name. Remember, Janet's first two albums flopped. Now if her name had been Janet Johnson or something, the record label would have dropped her and she would not have been given a chance to record another album and work with Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. So, yes her last name did help her in the beginning of her career, but ultimately it was teaming up with Jimmy Jam & Terry, as well as hard work, dedication and talent that helped her to last this long in the business and have a successful career. Janet didn't have a successful career because of Michael or any Jackson, but it certainly did help her get record deals and such in the beginning when she was starting out.
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ernestsewell said:

Hey look what Britney pulled off?

ernestsewell said:

I didn't meant Moulin Rouge the movie. I meant the REAL Moulin Rouge. the music Hall. She got hired in 1992 there and got fired 4 months later.

MarySharon said:

That, I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me. If so, it was probably money related.

Cinnamon234 said:

I don't think so. I think her first 2 albums flopped because Joseph was in control of everything. Not to mention she was still doing the "wholesome" image thing. When she did Control, Herb Alpert and Clarence Avant wanted to "experiment" with Janet as well as Jam and Lewis. They wanted to see if they could steer clear of the "Jackson" family name and base it on her music and performance abilities.

So, it was definitely a record company thing and not a Jackson thing why Control broke the mold.

daPrettyman said:

Plus there was Jimmy and Terry, who proved to be the perfect vessels for Janet's coming out party as a solo artist.

The other Jacksons didn't have that luxury or probably didn't want to. I feel all the Jacksons could've had successful solo careers if they wanted but fate had it otherwise.

Cinnamon234 said:

I call bullshit. Yeah, she is a Jackson, and perhaps people were interested in her because of that. But Janet's career was helped because of Jimmy and Terry getting on board and making her more independent, a thinking artist, and gave her a set of balls.

Her name had nothing to do with her being on Good Times. She was good on that show and was pretty decent on Diff'rent Strokes. She was just another member of the family. And by the time the janet. album came out, she dropped her last name. No record after 1814 was credited to anything more than just "Janet". That was quite purposeful. But she never relied on the Jackson name to get her anywhere. If that were the case she would of had MJ writing all her songs, and depending on him for a helping hand. Let's see when did they duet? 1995 roughly 14 years after she first started recording music? And she never wanted to do music at all. She did the acting, then she just wanted to go to college but the show Fame came around and she ended up on there. That's when Dream Street was out (her 2nd album).

Michael wasn't the Thrilleresque artist we all know him as when Janet. Her first album was released way before Thriller ever came out. Michael had made some impact with Off The Wall, but even by his own admission it wasn't what it could have been. He was mad that it only won one Grammy award (although it racked up a few B-list awards like AMA's and Billboard awards).

If she couldn't sing a note, her name wouldn't have meant shit. Case in point: Tito. Jackie. Marlon. Randy and the Gypsies. LaToya. Rebbie.

daPrettyman said:

Exactly fucking right. She also fired Joseph. There's no truer line than "When I was 17, I did what people told me, did what my father said, and let my mother mold me, but that was long ago."

MarySharon said:

OOhhhhh, I remember that now. Listen, she might just be a bad act. I suspect that Jack had a lot to do with it though. He had her ass doing hard core porn when she left him. And it was a damn escape act!

Timmy84 said:

Like Prince, Michael had helped in making the music industry successful for the better AND worse.

The moment that Michael became a megastar due to the success of the album Thriller, all of Michael's brothers wanted to have their opportunity to remind the whole world that Michael wanted THE only Jackson with talent. The fact that The Jacksons' Victory album became the first family album where Michael wasn't going to be THE only lead vocalist was no accident. In my opinion, it was the brothers trying to show "family unity" in the public eye, the way their father Joseph liked it. But it was very obvious to music fans, other artists, and even Michael himself, that going solo was THE best way for anyone to try to get close to Michael Jackson-type of success (READ: the moment Michael told Joseph that "The Jacksons" were over!). It's like who needs to stay in a self-contained band OR group sharing the spotlight when you're better off being an one-man/woman show to keep the spotlight all to yourself.

Examples of history repeats itself:

Justin Timberlake = more successful without *NSYNC

Bobby Brown = more successful without New Edition

George Michael = more successful without Wham!.

Bjork = more successful without The Sugarcubes.

R.Kelly = More successful without Public Announcement.

Fergie = more successful without Wild Orchid OR The Black Eyed Peas (at least with one solo album anyway).

Ricky Martin = more successful without Menudo.

Gwen Stefani = more successful without No Doubt (?!?).

Etc. Etc.

TonyVanDam said:

And the Jacksons' attempt to try to prove that has been unsuccessful as you done shown, lol.

Yes I think her career is done.

She had a great career in the 80s and 90s, but has been't all that good for Post 2001.

Superbowl pretty much wrecked her career, and even led to her being blacklisted on radio stations.

Also the quality of her music has went down big time. She used to show more emotion in albums and have great songs before and have creativity, now- its almost like she's trying to fit in with all the new singers, and follow the trend, instead of coming up with something innovative and fresh to set her apart from the rest. She has pretty much let Jermaine Dupri take over her career, when she was clearly better off with Jam and Lewis.

As for Michael, its a whole different story. Given all the stuff he's went through. There are tons of people out there who still admire and appreciate his music after all these years. He's a legend and has a massive loyal fanbase, and I think its going well for him so far since he sold out 50 shows at the O2.
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