Timmy84 said:

She hasn't outsold him. I believe it has something to do with this:

For the Hot 100's 50th Anniversary, Billboard's charts department ensured a more balanced representation of hits from all 50 years, by analyzing the length of chart runs in earlier decades, as well as the average weeks that titles spent in the top 10 and at No. 1. Weights for earlier spans were then formulated, to compensate for the shorter chart runs that titles experienced before the 1991 conversion to precise and objective sales and radio data from Nielsen Music.

Her hits must've been in the top 10 and/or at #1 longer. Their numbers are very similar WRT #1 hits (MJ - 13, JJ - 10), top-10 hits (MJ - 29, JJ - 27), and top-20 hits (MJ - 32, JJ - 29). Also, keep in mind his almost complete absence this decade. In 2001, he released his 10th album, Invincible, and she released her 7th, All for You. 7 years later, they have the same number of albums, 10.

AlexdeParis said:

AH! I got you. I guess I meant to say "outdone" or whatever.

Why isn't Michael Jackson at number one? Isn't he the one with the biggest selling album of all time and the one that has broke all these records?

vainandy said:

This is HOT 100, not Billboard period, lol.

AlexdeParis said:

I love Ray Charles, I can´t stand Bon Jovi is in higher place
[Edited 9/11/08 15:52pm]

dammme said:

You had me worried for a minute . . .

Timmy84 said:

I noticed Janet high on the list and thought that was very cool and then I wondered where Michael is....right under. Considering it is based on singles, guess that makes sense. Janet releases a whole lot of singles....well, she did...

Donna Summer at 24! Hot stuff!

Timmy84 said:

Yeah, but did it last long? Sort of started in the late eighties and ended in the mid nineties (his singing career as a hit maker....not the songwriting). Shockingly not on the list...an aritst I was just thinking about. Bowie! No Bowie. Maybe that makes sense since he was 1. More of an album's artists. 2. Hellvu lot more popular in England. 3. For all his memorable hits (singles?), very few where big chart hits.

I'd be interested in one that was based on album positions or a combination of the two - makes more sense...

Timmy84 said:

People tend to forget that Stevie has basically vanished during the last decade or so in terms of the charts. And they also forget the fact that Elton owns the chart record that will NEVER be broken, which is having a Top 40 hit every year from 1969-1999, that record cannnot be touched, no one has even come within 10 years of it.

lastdecember said:

OH YEAH! Why I forgot about that!?

Plus Elton had that damn "Candle in the Wind" in '97.

Meanwhile Stevie struggled to get a hit with "For Your Love" being the biggest one at #53 (shocking considering I didn't think the pop world LOVED it that much, lol).

AlexdeParis said:

To give you an idea of how consistent Janet's single releases have been, between 1986 and 2001, only two missed the Top 10 - The Pleasure Principle (#14) and Son of a Gun (#28).

Timmy84 said:

I think the main problem was that Stevie started taking way too long between releases, also i feel the RB forum became "youth" dominated before the Top 100 became "youth" dominated, for Elton to still have top 40 hits in his 50's showed that age though a factor still wasnt all the way around, once 1999 ended Elton got no kind of play despite doing his best work, 2001's "Songs from the west Coast" 2004's "peachtree road" and 2006's "Captain and the kid", but by this time radio was LONG gone.

lastdecember said:

True but if you were an older artist on the adult contemporary or R&B chart, I'd applaud that because, like you said, radio disappeared after 1999.
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VoicesCarry said:

I can't remember -- was the Shep Pettibone mix of "The Pleasure Principle" on the single? If not, that might be part of the reason it peaked so low (even being the 6th single). OTOH, the song went #1 R&B.

all Hail the Queen

Timmy84 said:

I'll tend to, if i watch any chart, to check in on the AC chart since thats where my artists have a chance of appearing. I mean im sure no one knew that Hall and Oates had the two biggest AC hits in 2001-02 with "Do it for love" and "Forever for you" while that album went Gold despite falling off the charts early on .

lastdecember said:

Proof that there is some solace.

Timmy84 said:

And also scanning this list one has to further the question, if Chicago and Hall and Oates are that high and relvant in terms of HISTORY and Success, then why no HALL OF FAME for them? I mean the influence is there, Hall and Oates broke down a racial barrier by getting rb play non stop, Chicago had a guitarist in the late Terry Kath, that Jimi Hendrix called "the best" so what the hell?

lastdecember said:

Disrespect.

lastdecember said:

yeah,Elton's longevity is incredible.

SoulAlive said:

one gotta respect that since her debut in 1982 there was not ONE year she didn't chart anywhere (2007 it was Hey You in any Skandinacvian country) also she has a fantastic catalogue and longlivity!

graecophilos said:

She can be proud of her accomplishments.

lastdecember said:

Indeed. This group's contributions are minimized because, IMHO, they are perceived as an "80's group." These guys made some quintessentially 80's music, and I mean that in a good way, but their 70's stuff was tight as well. They pulled a "reverse crossover" over the course of 2 decades. That's important.

I'm so glad Janet is on there!!!!!

badujunkie said:

I'm kind of surprised Prince is so high on the list at #16, considering how spotty his track record on the Hot 100 is, even during the "golden" years.