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Reply #30 posted 09/08/08 3:25pm

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Bishop31 said:

lastdecember said:

Not at all. Sure in every era you will find your crap, nothing is perfect. But you also had a level of artists that could co-exist, you had variety of ages in the artists getting play, different types of music, different producers discvering new ways to create, pushing the envelope and making the listener actually grow with them not just let them become zombies and feed them a steady diet of normalcy.

Here is a fact adn take what you want from it. In the 80's these artists could CO EXIST, meaning they could have albums,singles,videos and tours at the same time.

Prince,Madonna,Michael,Janet,George Michael,John Mellencamp,Eurythmics,Hall and Oates etc....


Now a recent discussion i had with a label person and heres what he said. "we got this Best of Rihanna to put out, but JIVE is putting out the Best of Xtina and we are gonna hold off the Rihanna one till next year" but why? " they are too similar with their audience and we cant have them co existing in the same marketplace" FUNNY SHIT! not even 2 artists at once


That's crazy. I don't know what's worst, the fact that Rihanna is even coming out with a "Best Of..' or them being afraid to bring it out because her and Xtina are so similar. It speaks volumes of how unoriginal these artists are these days. You would never hear a Label exec. for MJ, Prince, or Madonna scared to release a product for fear of the same Marketplace. It's like the same soul with a different name.


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Reply #31 posted 09/08/08 3:30pm

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I often ask myself this too
like how were some of
my fave tunes/artists viewed
back then to the older heads...

I'll be 27 next month cool
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because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind."
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Reply #32 posted 09/08/08 3:50pm

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Bishop31 said:



That's crazy. I don't know what's worst, the fact that Rihanna is even coming out with a "Best Of..' or them being afraid to bring it out because her and Xtina are so similar. It speaks volumes of how unoriginal these artists are these days. You would never hear a Label exec. for MJ, Prince, or Madonna scared to release a product for fear of the same Marketplace. It's like the same soul with a different name.


Exactly.


And look at it too in terms of just this year with Janet and Mariah, they refused to let the albums exist together, so they launched one campaign first, and then waited then did the other, and what happend, both lost tons of money? So where is this logic getting the labels? less releases, bigger losses, I mean the fact that you think that Janet Jackson and Mariah Carey cant have a record at the same time because you fear people will buy one and not the other,well then you deserve that kind of audience.

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Reply #33 posted 09/08/08 6:24pm

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Most of today's commercial music is garbage.I stopped listening to the radio in the 90s.That's when music really began its downward slide.If kids like this crap,more power to them but I'm gonna stick with amazing 70s music that I grew up with.Living in the past? You bet!
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Reply #34 posted 09/08/08 8:33pm

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Everything these days sounds so clean, overproduced, and color-by-numbers, hardly anyone 'commercial' sounds passionate about the art of music

Its like these artists are a bunch of industry robots to fit a mold for mass appeal.
I mean, I openly admit, my favorite era for music was the 90's, which some say was also a crappy time, but to me theree was just more interesting stuff going on then, and more variety even within pop music
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Reply #35 posted 09/08/08 9:01pm

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im from this generation and i don't like the music one bit. Its crap. Im tired of this overly produced, actually i love michael jackson. but anyways i wouldn't even mind the overly produced stuff, but you have NO talent to back up the records, NO one can perform let alone sing. Its like you have people who can't perform, dance, or even sing. So its basically a beauty pagent you are watching. Who has on the shortest shorts and shaking their behind.

the christian aguilera performance on MTV wasn't good neither was the song. Rihs performance well it would have been better if janet jackson wad performing because she canNOT dance to save her life.

its disappointing because i would love to see artist who actually write, produce and can perform their own stuff. Or even play an instrument.

The few artist who do write and produce are boring, ie ALICIA KEYS.
everyone claims to be influenced by michael jackson, but NO one is showing half the talent that michael possess.
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Reply #36 posted 09/08/08 9:04pm

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Everything these days sounds so clean, overproduced, and color-by-numbers, hardly anyone 'commercial' sounds passionate about the art of music

Its like these artists are a bunch of industry robots to fit a mold for mass appeal.
I mean, I openly admit, my favorite era for music was the 90's, which some say was also a crappy time, but to me theree was just more interesting stuff going on then, and more variety even within pop music


A big Co-Sign on this Kidsgirl, the music has no edge at all
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Reply #37 posted 09/08/08 9:15pm

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TotalAlisa said:

im from this generation and i don't like the music one bit. Its crap. Im tired of this overly produced, actually i love michael jackson. but anyways i wouldn't even mind the overly produced stuff, but you have NO talent to back up the records, NO one can perform let alone sing. Its like you have people who can't perform, dance, or even sing. So its basically a beauty pagent you are watching. Who has on the shortest shorts and shaking their behind.

the christian aguilera performance on MTV wasn't good neither was the song. Rihs performance well it would have been better if janet jackson wad performing because she canNOT dance to save her life.

its disappointing because i would love to see artist who actually write, produce and can perform their own stuff. Or even play an instrument.

The few artist who do write and produce are boring, ie ALICIA KEYS.
everyone claims to be influenced by michael jackson, but NO one is showing half the talent that michael possess.


true! even artists who are "real musicians" don't seem sincere
I mean it seems so polished off, and politically correct

With Alicia Keys its like the industry said "okay, well if the people want a 'musician' give them this model-pretty girl who plays enough instruments and writes well enough to amuse the people without ruffling any feathers"

Its just so planned out...Even an artist like Pink, who was being promoted as an anti-Britney is just another industry creation neutral
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Reply #38 posted 09/08/08 9:37pm

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thekidsgirl said:

TotalAlisa said:

im from this generation and i don't like the music one bit. Its crap. Im tired of this overly produced, actually i love michael jackson. but anyways i wouldn't even mind the overly produced stuff, but you have NO talent to back up the records, NO one can perform let alone sing. Its like you have people who can't perform, dance, or even sing. So its basically a beauty pagent you are watching. Who has on the shortest shorts and shaking their behind.

the christian aguilera performance on MTV wasn't good neither was the song. Rihs performance well it would have been better if janet jackson wad performing because she canNOT dance to save her life.

its disappointing because i would love to see artist who actually write, produce and can perform their own stuff. Or even play an instrument.

The few artist who do write and produce are boring, ie ALICIA KEYS.
everyone claims to be influenced by michael jackson, but NO one is showing half the talent that michael possess.


true! even artists who are "real musicians" don't seem sincere
I mean it seems so polished off, and politically correct

With Alicia Keys its like the industry said "okay, well if the people want a 'musician' give them this model-pretty girl who plays enough instruments and writes well enough to amuse the people without ruffling any feathers"

Its just so planned out...Even an artist like Pink, who was being promoted as an anti-Britney is just another industry creation neutral
even though i don't care for prince, i respect him as an artist because he wrote, produced and performed his stuff. it was his sound. I might not like him.

Alicia keys is so boring its unbelievable she is NOT changing history or influencing people. Same with John legend.

Even the few artist around from the 90s mariah carey is going backwards. This womans music sounds like generic hip hop that will be forgotten in 10 years just like her rainbow album. Of course the die hard fans will remember but not the average person...

Janet jackson isn't even giving her all anymore.

We need to have a different sound on the radio, something different. I thin music artist should have their own individual style of music and not that Kanye west, aKorn, neyo sound. Its so redundant.

It makes me want to get up and be an artist to bring back a different style of music. Where is the dance music, NOT that dark techno sounding music they are passing off as dance. Miely sirus is considered Pop but that sounds like watered down fluffy rock music.

anyways its not much to choose from. people just sound the same and NO talent anymore.
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Reply #39 posted 09/09/08 12:05am

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I feel bad for todays youth. MTV awards used to be so exciting for me. The red carpet etc. Massive stars that had massive talent. Janet jackson 1993 vma's performance is one of my all time faves. Madonna was on that year too back when she was good.
Now all girls dress like lauren conrad, no originality at all. Even hip hop is shit today. (moan, moan) xx
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Reply #40 posted 09/09/08 2:09am

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There has always, always been crappy commercial music, imo. It just takes time for the cream to rise to the top, sometimes. Personally, I loved a lot of mainstream 80s music, even the crap! But there is always something that I can grab onto, mainstream or not. This year, I've liked (for better or for worse) Duffy, Janet Jackson, Sam Sparro, The Ting Tings and Wolf Parade, to name a few.
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Reply #41 posted 09/10/08 2:26pm

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SoulAlive said:

Most of today's commercial music is garbage.I stopped listening to the radio in the 90s.That's when music really began its downward slide.If kids like this crap,more power to them but I'm gonna stick with amazing 70s music that I grew up with.Living in the past? You bet!


Wait a minute, I've seen your posts and you aren't the one living in the past when it comes to music. I'm sure you are longing for some good new original music that has brand new melodies and grooves, right? Are you the one that wants music that is made out of sampling old records from the past and adding a bunch of talk over it? No. Are you the one who only likes music that is as slow as the classical music before the rock and roll era came in and moved things out of the fourteenth century? No.

The way I see it, you, like me, are wanting to move forward musically but the current generation making music is moving backwards instead of forwards.
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Reply #42 posted 09/10/08 8:09pm

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Bishop31 said:

I'm 27 years old. So, I don't consider myself old by any means. But, watching the VMA's last night I couldn't help but feeling like todays commercial music is horrible. When I was growing up in the 80's the people I watched on TV was Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna, Run DMC, Van Halen, and so much more. Even though I may not have liked everything I saw, at least I could see some originality. It was like a Rainbow of selections.

Now I see artists like Miley Cyrus, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown, Rihanna, Katy Perry, and the Jonas Brothers. This is the stuff that's being praised. Do the young kids REALLY like this?! If there are any teenagers reading this...Do you really like this stuff on MTV, BET, or VH1?

For the older readers. When you were growing up perhaps in the 50s, 60s, or 70s, did you ever have a hard time finding good music on the radio? Now I do. I'm just making sure I'm not hitting some Mid Life Music crisis or something. lol

Is it just me or is Commercial Music now really Horrible. I don't wanna sound like an old man that only like the "good ol' days". But, I feel sorry for this young generations. Your commercial music is terrible.


Most of commercial music has been arsed since January 1994!

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Reply #43 posted 09/14/08 5:14am

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then I wish there were more 27 year olds like you. I'm 25, and expect people a few years older than me to appreciate music and artists of the 80's, but a lot of them just like Akon, shit hop and other stuff like that though they will admit to liking mariah carey in the 90's, which is what they consider old school. And I'm like screaming to myself inside THEY WERE BORN IN 77 HOW COULD THEY LIKE TODAY'S SHIT WHEN THEY LIVED THROUGH THE 80's?? I remember some of the 80's more than them it seems and music I heard around that time especially.
A woman in her early 40's said she likes Alicia Keys, mentally I was thinking she's old enough to remember Stevie Wonder and she likes HER? I like Alicia too and love her first 2 albums, but her third album is very weak and I never thought of her as a real piano player, just as another pretty r&b artist being MARKETED as a piano player.

I'm sure some of them liked mj back in the day and especially madonna, but now they think justin is awesome and saw him in concert

I can't relate to many people musically



I have one teenage friend who's crazy about miley and jonas brothers, but I just ignore that cause her family has a huge music collection and she loves greats like mj, elvis, the beatles, etc. too

want to hear something cute? Inoj's cover of time after time was playing in a store, and I remembered that some rock boy band covered time after time and I was talking to someone trying to figure out who butchered it. The lady at the store told me the version playing is one of the oldest versions ever, I told her the original is from 1984 by cyndi lauper and she insisted the version playing was the oldest and a remix of it, I Told her it sounds nothing like the original, and if she thinks 1998 music is considered old, she must be really young, cause that year does not seem like very long ago and music hasn't evolved much since.
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Reply #44 posted 09/14/08 6:13am

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then I wish there were more 27 year olds like you. I'm 25, and expect people a few years older than me to appreciate music and artists of the 80's, but a lot of them just like Akon, shit hop and other stuff like that though they will admit to liking mariah carey in the 90's, which is what they consider old school. And I'm like screaming to myself inside THEY WERE BORN IN 77 HOW COULD THEY LIKE TODAY'S SHIT WHEN THEY LIVED THROUGH THE 80's?? I remember some of the 80's more than them it seems and music I heard around that time especially.
A woman in her early 40's said she likes Alicia Keys, mentally I was thinking she's old enough to remember Stevie Wonder and she likes HER? I like Alicia too and love her first 2 albums, but her third album is very weak and I never thought of her as a real piano player, just as another pretty r&b artist being MARKETED as a piano player.

I'm sure some of them liked mj back in the day and especially madonna, but now they think justin is awesome and saw him in concert

I can't relate to many people musically



I have one teenage friend who's crazy about miley and jonas brothers, but I just ignore that cause her family has a huge music collection and she loves greats like mj, elvis, the beatles, etc. too

want to hear something cute? Inoj's cover of time after time was playing in a store, and I remembered that some rock boy band covered time after time and I was talking to someone trying to figure out who butchered it. The lady at the store told me the version playing is one of the oldest versions ever, I told her the original is from 1984 by cyndi lauper and she insisted the version playing was the oldest and a remix of it, I Told her it sounds nothing like the original, and if she thinks 1998 music is considered old, she must be really young, cause that year does not seem like very long ago and music hasn't evolved much since.
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You are so right about Music not innovating since '98. I also wish there were more 27 year olds that like the good stuff. My friends have fallen victim to this new crap called Hip Hop & think Kanye West is a genius. lol
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Reply #45 posted 09/14/08 6:43am

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its so many different things that come into play. I mean every era has had its "mileys and jonas brothers" i mean we had New Kids or Nysnc or Debbie Gibson and Tiffany but i think the difference was that the playing field was equal, and EVRYONE got play. You werent restricted because of your age, you could have Debbie Gibson climinbing the charts and getting playing at the same time while the Rolling Stones were getting their new song played on the same station, that kind of FREEDOM is gone, long gone.

Also i totally agree what was said earlier about PLANNING and HYPE, even the talents of Alicia or John Legend,Justin,Kanye or Thicke get on my nerves because the label is telling me they are talented, and in someone like Kanye or Justins place they are telling me they are the "shit". I mean imagine Bruce Springsteen putting out "Born in the usa" and the album getting all hyped up months in advance and Bruce telling us that this album was the shit.

So a combination of lack of age diversity, lack of difference in the music and artists, too much HYPE and Planning, and just the overall UNEVEN playing field are the reasons.

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Reply #46 posted 09/14/08 2:57pm

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yeah the way it's promoted is unbeliveable. A little kid had the nerve to tell me I don't have taste in music when I said I don't like hannah montana I like stuff from the 70's and 80's. I'm sure that even those who liked debbie gibson and NKOTB liked the jackson 5, beatles, rolling stones etc. at the same time, and good pop artists like mj and george michael.
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