i hope madonna's fans have a good argument to defend this song.. cuz it's
h-o-r-r-i-b-e

I like the chorus and the part before it that builds up, and the instrumental at the end, but that's it! The rest of the song bores me. I'm still looking forward to the album though, Madonna's albums have never disappointed me, though I wouldn't be surprised if this was the first one that did, even though I like timbaland and pharell

most fans like it.
Hard Candy... I thought about M's albums today...

None of her albums is a classic in the sense of Sgt. Pepper or Thriller or Songs In The Key Of Life or Purple Rain...
but each album has some absolutely great pop songs... but also a lot of fillers, you have to say it.
Confessions has 4 of my favorite Madonna songs - the ones that were singles... But the rest of the album is average and sometimes boring.
American Life had no super hits... but I think it had less weaker songs than Confessions!!
Her Music album is the same like Confessions. 3 or 4 really great tracks and then a lot of fillers.

Let's wait and see how the new album will be like. I hope it will have less fillers than Confessions.

graecophilos said:

You hit the nail on the head.

graecophilos said:

AFAIC, there isn't any filler on Confessions (or Ray of Light for that matter). "Push," "Like It or Not," "Let It Will Be," "Isaac," "Future Lovers," "Forbidden Love"... I love it all.

yea...like all of the other stuff i've heard from this album, i feel kinda MEH about it. i wouldnt say horrible really its just kinda not up to par. especially for a first single. i'd love to hear a dance version tho. that said, i didnt really like Hung Up until i saw the video, so maybe the video will make me like it more. but as a song standing on its own, its pretty average.

graecophilos said:

Madonna (the debut album) is regarded as the first milestone of the electronic dance-pop as we know it; Like a Prayer still appears in ALL the Top 10 lists of "best albums of the 80's, and Ray of light was the first album that mixed mainstream-pop with trance/electronica with astonishing success...

So...
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is Madonna making a reference to Andy Worhol, friend and mentor? is she saying she's on min 11 of her 15mins?

yeah with mariah and madonna, they have good songs including singles and some album tracks, but not always as a full album. The exceptions, however, are:

Mariah-Butterfly
Mariah-Mimi
Madonna-Like a Virgin
Madonna-Confessions on a Dancefloor

sorry joetyler, but i never heard that "Madonna" is considered a milestone. I these days it was just another album by a dance artist and today the only special thing about it is that it's Madonna's debut.
But you're right. Ray Of Light is in my opinion one that comes near to a classic. I can't listen to it all the time but it'Äs indeed great. I even like the outtakes...
Honestly, I think LAP is good as well, but something just bugs me. I think that Spanish Prayer song, Dear Jessy, the backwards thing, Love Song and Til Death Do Us Part are not the songs you expect froma classic album!
Remember I consider a classic album Sgt. Pepper, Revolver, Stevie's 70s stuff and so on.

graecophilos said:

It's also damn-near flawless, which makes it pretty special.


Revolver has a song as bad as anything on Like a Prayer.

I don't really need to say its name, do I?

graecophilos said:

Sgt. Pepper is bloated and overrated!

JoeTyler said:

No, it isn't. Donna Summer's work in the mid-70's is regarded as the first milestone of electronic dance-pop as we know it.

Madonna's debut is nice from start to finish, and I can see why people call it a classic, it's because of the flow! That album is like her take on Off the Wall, or as someone mentioned, a Donna Summer record, but it's not original although full of hits. Isn't the front cover very much like an Aretha Franklin album too?
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I#m not a Sgt Pepper fanatic as well. But you can't say it's not good ans the cultural importance and relevance was always there. even in 1967.
My favorite Beatles album si Rubber Soul, btw.

"Madonna" has some great dance tunes. Holiday is my fave and it my even be my favorite pop record. it's just perfect.
Lucky Star, Burning Up, Everbody are great songs as well.
But Think Of Me and I Know It are average to bad in my opinion. If she'd remove these two tracks and include Ain't No Big Deal and Crimes Of Passion, which I love, it would have been much better!

But I like "Madonna" more than Like A Virgin, btw. It's a sahme because I really love Nile Rodgers work with Chic and stuff, and although there are more songs and more better songs in comparism to the number of songs the overall impression's worse than on "Madonna". Shoo-Be-Doo is one of her worst, Pretender and Stay gave me a headache...

I may create my own "Madonna" album one day with following tracklist:

Lucky Star
Borderline
Burning Up
Ain't No Big Deal
Holiday
Crimes Of Passion
Phsyical Attraction
Everybody

what do you think are there better early Madonna songs that would fit as well?

AlexdeParis... which one do you mean??? I don't dare to name it... do you mean Yellow Submarine??? or what?? Or Tomorrow Never Knows??

graecophilos said:

Great minds think alike. These are some of my Madge favs as well.

I don't know if what I heard is the single or album. It clocks in at 3:09.

I don't know what to make of the song. I love the title but it doesn't sound like it's her song. There have been other lead singles that I haven't liked off the bat...Music. And what I heard from Miles away...I like that.

There hasn't been an album that I thought was terrible. I expect this album to be along the lines of the others.

I think it will have as much good and bad songs as Confessions. I just don't expect another ROL...

graecophilos said:

graecophilos said:

Co-sign!


Me too.


I wouldn't get rid of "Think of Me."


You got it on the first try. That song is horrendous. The only good thing I can say about it is that it isn't "Revolution 9."

What does everyone have against "I Know It"? I love that song!

Moonbeam said:

I have nothing against it. I think the album is great the way it is.

Moonbeam said:

I don't like that song.The superior "Don't You Know" or "Ain't No Big Deal" would have been a better choice.Shame on her for not using one of those songs!

piepie1976 said:

I like "4 Minutes".It's fast and catchy.I'm not in love with it,though.Then again,I wasn't in love with "Hung Up" either".I liked it,but I wasn't crazy about it.I don't think Madonna releases GREAT first singles anymore (a trend that started with 'American Life').When I bought COADF,I found four or five other songs that I would have chosen as the first single.The same thing will happen with this new CD.But it's easy to see why Warners chose "4 Minutes" for the first single.It's a very commercial track,and it's a duet with an artist who is red-hot right now.There's no way that radio would ignore a song like this.From a commerical standpoint,it's a smart single.It'll get alot of attention for the album.The video will be HUGE...just watch.

SoulAlive... Ain't No Big Deal was replaced by Holiday. Which is definitively better. now you could say: fine, why not replacing to other songs with the two (Deal and Passion)... I think it was because she wrote those songs with Steve Bray or he wrote them on his own, and this led to some copyright battle. they had a quarrel in 1983. But Steve Bray came again after he saw Madonna was successful. Smart guy...
Actually Everbody was written with Bray as well, but then they switched the writer's credits or stuff..
it's complicated...

Do you really think Madonna can choose the first singles on her own? I don't know as well, but I guess Warner has MUCH to say.
And the first single is not always the best song. It has to attract people.
She tried that with Americal Life, which is defintively not her best song on the AL-Album. But she was hoping for a scandal (with the video) but it was a flop as we all know.
I listened to the AL album the other day and still like it. As said before... no BIG songs but not as much fillers as on other albums.

this is going completey off topic but I like the Bedtime Stories album as well. I just don't like the title track (or nearly title track). it doesn't fit to the rest she could have released it as a off single..

I think she should have replaced it with Love Won't Wait which is her best unreleased song I think!!!!

I love, love, love Madonna, but I just don't know about the new single.

graecophilos said:

In my opinion,this is how her first album should have looked:


Lucky Star
Borderline
Burning Up
Ain't No Big Deal
Holiday
Think Of Me
Don't You Know
Everybody


"I Know It" is filler."Physical Attraction" is a good song,but not nearly as addictive as "Don't You Know" It could have been saved for a B-side."Don't You Know" deserved to be on the album.I bet it would have been a big hit.




Yeah,the first single isn't always the best song.Record labels tend to go with the song that has the most commercial,mass appeal....the song that may appeal to people outside the fanbase.




The title track isn't my favorite,either.But it's an important song.It paved the way for her "electronica" era.That song is where it all began.

MADONNA SONG OF THE DAY: "DON'T YOU KNOW" (1981)---the track that should have made it onto her debut album!!

SoulAlive said:



i thought "Hung Up" was a great choice for a first single. i love the song.
it is so joyous the way it swirls and it really builds excitement, brought great energy and was catchy as hell. no wonder it went to # 1 in so many countries