DiminutiveRocker said:

Yes, imagine if they only gave awards to sober musicians! I have two names for you...Amy Grant & Donny Osmond

silverchild said:

It's still a shame he had die to get it though.

They're probably all over YouTube by now but last night Perez had clips of Tina & Bayount, Kanye, Amy Wino & Rhianna...

All I know it Beyonce needs to learn how to control herself onstage - she smashed the living HELL out of Tina's foot I hope the bitch apologized @ SOME point later

& did the Time actually do one of their own songs? the clip I saw started when Rhianna came out

JustErin, I think you're right about Tina's boobs. They did look really full & apparent. Then again she's weighing a little more nowadays & I don't think silver is my favorite color for anyone (let alone a damn jumpsuit!) but I didn't think Tina looked bad at all. She's still killin' it - singing LIVE & dancing in those shoes?? Even (most of) the 20 year olds can't pull that shit off

Joe Satriani lost again. 14 nominations. 0 wins.

CalhounSq said:

I think that stomp really hurt Tina's foot. You could see it on her face. Damn, Beyonce. As for the boobs... not a push up?

CalhounSq said:

oh wow (head hanging down low) she did step on tina's foot. I guess she felt it was best to keep going and apologize later. yeah she is a bit wild on stge. dang at the end tina couldn't even kick her foot up at the end of the performance. it looked like it hurted. Yeah, bee needs o tone down a bit although I am sure she didn't mean it

I'm watching this now in the UK. Kanye's voice is as flat as a witch's tit. Shocking.

Hats off to Tina Turner and Vince Gill, though.

daPrettyman said:

It's a shame he couldn't "influence" Jesse's amp to behave itself.



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InsatiableCream said:

Who did Rihanna sleep with to get that gig? What a joke!

Just watched the Vince Gill clip, to Kanye's credit he was laughing, too.

SoulAlive said:

I kept hoping the siren would fall and knock herself out. She doesn't belong in the same universe with Tina.

pjh1972 said:

Flat as a witch's tit... love it!

Amy should have won for best album. It was nice she got 5 awards. Her Performance was good. She actually sounded sober. Alicia Keys(STOP HATING HATERS) look good & her performance(No One) was good also. John Mayer should have joined her earlier into the song. I was not feeling the duet thing she did with Frank Sinatra...but she did sound nice. Carrie Underwood seemed nervous, but still managed to do a ok job. I like the song. Prince look cool & sexy in red. It's always nice to see him at these shows when he do show up. The Time could have done much better witout Rhianna. She just did not fit with them at all. Kayne West, the whole Gospel thing with Aretha Franklin, & the Foo Fighters were the best performances of the night. Tina Turner did not need Beyonce on stage with her. She was fine on her own. Their performance was not great it was just ok. Even though i did not want to see Janet, Michael, or any of the Jacksons. It would have been nice if they had Janet opened the show considering she has an album coming out soon. The show was a bit too long. They dragged it out.
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daPrettyman said:

Great lady.


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NDRU said:

What do you mean? Was it buzzing or something? Speaking of which, I don't think the Time were even really playing under Rianna. It sounded like backing tracks to me, even tough Terry was "fingering" one of his bass strings.

Then on her 2nd song, Jimmy and Monte hit some synth hits live but I think most of it was pre-recorded.

Harlepolis said:

true, but I don't a lot of them were seen smoking crack on camera. I still see both sides of the coin on this. I'm not taking sides

GaryMF said:

Something went wrong. After the 1st verse or so, you couldn't hear him.
You could see him futzing around with it during the performance.


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Thankfully I missed all this hubbub.
George Clinotn & the PFunk AllStars were in Long Beach.

Really good set with a few surprises
Here's the photo album
http://www.flickr.com/pho...92091@N00/

here's Natalie Cole's full statement about Amy Winehouse....

I'm going on record as an artist who is able to critique Amy Winehouse.I think she has a great talent,but I don't agree with the Grammys giving her those nods.I think it sends the wrong message,that even in the midst of her stupor of drugs,she can get nominated for all these awards.It's a slap in the face to musicians and artists who work very hard that they turn around and give it to someone who really obviously doesn't have a grasp of what she has.I've been in this business over 25 years and I sacrificed five years of my own life on drugs and almost lost my life because of it.So I take great offense to see someone getting glory out of being in the position that they're in-she needs to get her life together and embrace her craft.She will lose it if she doesn't get it together.

SoulAlive said:

It just seems so pointed and hypocritical to me. To begin with, the work in question was recorded and released nearly 2 years before the hard drug use began. Are we not focusing on the record, and not the personal life of the artist? The object of the Grammys is to vote on the artistic and technical merits of musicians, vocalists, and crews, not to police their personal lives. If that were the case, where was she when the Beatles were recording under the influence of LSD, or the Stones were coked out of their minds? Even more broadly, should we not recognize the talents Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin, Elvis, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday, or John Coltrane and others that flourished in their craft although sadly to the detriment of their own lives in some way? I for one would loved to have seen this protest during the time rap artists were sweeping the Grammys, while at the same time having national broadcasts of their videos glorifying misogny & materialism, all while guiding women on dog leashes and swiping credit cards through young girls' naked asses. Where was the outrage then? Weren't they also just as, if not more socially irresponsible in the message they were putting out? And lets not even start on the fact that many of them became heavily involved in overseas porn distribution showing VERY young women in the most demeaning situations while they sit back coaxing, observing, rapping, and doing their drugs and booze on film. Where was the protest THEN about the messages we're sending to young people?

I just think that if NARAS is going to suddenly adopt ethics and personal standards for one nomineee (and now a MEMBER as she has satisfied her 5 nomination requirement), those ethics and standards should be adopted for ALL. Otherwise, it's a subjective opinion based on someones pesonal struggles that Ms.Cole should address on her own turf, and her own time, and NOT under the backdrop and blanket of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences.

Okay,so away from serious discussions about artistry and policy and on to the tacky stuff:

Does anybody else here think Rihanna's new hair cut looks PERFECT for her facial shape??? I saw the clip of her accepting an award and I think she looks so CHIC minus extensions with that horrible center part!

Ottensen said:

Right on.

theAudience said:

Umm,...That's because P unplugged it.

The Clark Sisters were amazing on the Grammys.

Ottensen said:

I think it is socially irresponsible to reward someone for writing a song about doing drugs because of heartache and another about refusing to get treatment. Natalie didn't do that. It doesn't matter how good the music was. The lyrical content of that album she not be sold to those under 21

Vanilli said:

...Two people can see the same thing very differently. George Lopez is never funny to me. Kanye's performance was visually nice becuase of Daft Punk but there has yet to be a day when I called any rapper "amazing live".

Ottensen said:

Let's define "commercially released". Are there any artists nominated, who have NO sales? Zip? Welllll...it happens to be the buying public who indicates the commercial success of an artist. How many recording companies are willing to invest in someone who has no return?
I understand NARAS is an elite group.
On the other hand, don't underestimate consumers...we're the ones buying the product, and we're not idiots.
The academy can vote for what "they" like, and eventually become irrelevant to everyone else. No point in having a televised program no one can relate to.
Unless one wants to enjoy the humor.
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xplnyrslf said:

Ummm,

My "sweetie" directed towards our other poster was done with folksy and friendly intent. I have the odd feeling that yours was not directed to me in the same spirit. What's up with that?


Now, question: who said that anyone was underestimating the consumer?

And who said that they are idiots?

I don't even understand why that language had to be used It put a negative spin on an already subjective matter where there need not be one. I've simply stated what has been explained to me by Naras reps for my own app. From what I understand there are many catagories of artists who are nominated that have also have much smaller distribution deals than the artists we see on the telecast. Sadly those are not the ones we see, because the telecast is about bringing in big advertising dollars, using coorporate tie-ins, and boosting sales to bring in dough for the labels. Everyone knows that's the point of the telecast. What I would think is if people are not in favor of what's nominated, then the solution is very simple; ignore it and don't buy the music.


[Edited 2/14/08 22:42pm]