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Reply #90 posted 01/06/08 10:39am

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Scorpion said:

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I would say that her family could try to apply for a "guardianship," but her family--including K-fed--seems to have ulterior motives about Britney herself and her fortune even though they might have the kids' best interest in mind. I just wouldn't trust them with a guardianship over Britney because I just think none of them appear to care about Britney as a person.


Her family & former close friends have tried to reach out to Britney and talk some sense into her. She has alienated herself from them and everybody else. Her manager quit her and 3 of her attorneys have quit her because she won't take direction. She cut her mother off because she kept telling her that she needed to get to a rehabilitation center. Kevin visited her during her rehab stint and drove out to the hospital the other night to go see her. I don't think her family is out to do harm to Britney.



I agree. Her former assistant of 10 years said that she couldn't save Britney from herself in a letter that she wrote earlier last year. This woman was with her when her career was just starting and for her to write such a letter showed me that her family and friends are not the reason that Britney is where she is today. I don't know why some people continue to blame her family and friends for her current problems. If she didn't want to listen to a LA court judge, thus resulting in her losing physical custody back in October, than why does anyone think that she is the innocent one who has been unwillingly turned away by her family and friends? She disowned everybody in her life who tried to help her and tell her "no, you can't do that"; and whether any of these individuals were on her payroll or not doesn't really matter now, because if they were still on her payroll, than they would be enabling her like the leeches that she has attached to her right now...that Sam guy, her 'cousin', and that new assistant of hers. Those people are probably on her payroll and they obviously don't give a flying fuck about her if they allow her to continually embarrass herself in public on a daily basis. If they cared about her, than they would have picked up the phone and called a therapist to talk to her, because the girl needs one on speed dial IMO. Her parents made her go to rehab last year and she cut them out of the picture after that, even refused to let them see their grandchildren while they were with her. They had to go to K-Fed to visit with their grandbabies because she wanted to be a selfish child. Those babies deserve to see their grandparents and their father and for her to do that disgusts me. It's not her right to remove family members out of her children's lives just because she's pissed at them. I feel soo sorry for her sons because they deserve soo much better than what she's giving them. A mother who truly loves their children would sacrifice their own pride and desires for the ultimate happiness of their child and I don't see her doing this from pictures I've seen of her in recent months. Pictures speak a thousand words and I don't have to read rumors typed by tabloids to see what's photographed and videotaped. I see a woman who has a love/hate relationship with the paparazzos who stalk her on a daily basis and that makes her just as sick as they are. Sorry, but just because she's rich doesn't make her a good mother or the better parent. Just my twocents
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Reply #91 posted 01/06/08 11:02am

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I disagree.

People with a mental illness often refuse help (whether or not they have the funds like Britney Spears) without knowing what it good for them. This looks like a classic case of bipolar disorder.

Often people with a mental illness do not know if they are hurting themselves or the people that they love.


It's a mental illness. Not mental retardation. It was mentioned back when she went to rehab earlier last year that doctors felt she was suffering from bipolar disorder than. If she was told she suffered from BPD at that time; and she chose not to continue treatment for it, than she should be held responsible for her actions; just like any other mentally ill person should be if they end up hurting someone or themselves in the midst of a mental breakdown. There was a case of a guy who was diagnosed as having HIV a few years ago and he knowingly had sex with 8 women and gave them the virus and he was arrested and imprisoned for it. If doctors diagnose you with something that can potentially cause harm to others around you, than it is that person's responsibility to get the proper treatment to ensure nothing bad happens. If she was told that she was suffering from BPD and/or depression while she was in rehab that 30 days; and she isn't taking medication, than she's a fault for anything bad that happens to her or anyone around IMO. My mom suffered from severe depression when I was a pre-teen and she checked herself into hospitals for mental evaulation on more than one occasion. She didn't flip out with us watching and have to be handcuffed to a stretcher and forced into treatment. I respect her to this day for swallowing her pride and doing what was best for not only herself but for our family as well. There are many mentally ill people who have therapists and don't bank as much money as she does; so she really has no excuse. If she was having a panic attack, which was why she supposedly missed her previous deposition due to 'illness' than she should have called a doctor at that point if something soo simple as talking to a lawyer can cause her to freak out to the point of sickness. Why should anyone have to hold her hand and walk her into a doctor's office? She's not mentally retarded.
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Reply #92 posted 01/06/08 11:11am

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Her family & former close friends have tried to reach out to Britney and talk some sense into her. She has alienated herself from them and everybody else. Her manager quit her and 3 of her attorneys have quit her because she won't take direction. She cut her mother off because she kept telling her that she needed to get to a rehabilitation center. Kevin visited her during her rehab stint and drove out to the hospital the other night to go see her. I don't think her family is out to do harm to Britney.


Her family and "close friends" have tried to reach-out to her? Which ones-- the ones on her payroll? No.. you might be right about celebrities... but her family obtaining guardianship would be very dangerous. Everything--EVERYTHING then would be in their power... all of her accounts.. everything. No. Somebody from the outside--even if it's an agent of state, an advocate or mediator would be better. I was suggesting that maybe Britney herself might be comfortable with somebody who hasn't screwed her literally and figuratively. Madonna and Justin aren't good choices, but maybe a Mesereau type person or perhaps her dad might have it together? Maybe it's time for him to finally take charge? I don't know that much about him because all I've ever seen is Lynne.

That said, from my perspective, this "help" from her family and friends have offered might be a too little too late. Britney Spears is mentally ill, period. She is incapable of listening now. I would imagine,it’s more en vogue to be a drug addict then it is to have a mental illness. So ironically, sending Brit to rehab was really more a way of saving face, if you will. A number of people have problems with depression. learning disabilities what have you. There is no shame in that. But I guess it’s still taboo to admit to having a mental illness, particularly for a pop-star? I guess being a bi-polar music-video artist isn’t as attractive or marketable? So unfortunately for Britney, it was probably more dealing with illness would have been a bit inconvenient and counter-productive to being a pop icon. Yes, she might be a drug addict, too, but it just appears to be a little bit more than a drug problem where she could spend a few weeks in rehab or even months in rehab and clean-upto live to drop a cd another day.

As far as K-fed.. that guy.. c’mon.. I don’t know him.. he might be trying to do right by his kids, but isn’t this same guy who left his pregnant girlfriend for Britney?? No.. I don’t think he has Britney’s best interest at heart.. I’m not suggesting he wants to see her die, but I have this feeling Brit wasn’t all there when they were dating and he KNEW it.. even enabled her. Before K-fed didn’t Brit marry some childhood sweetheart in Vegas just a few months before? Wasn’t her quickie marriage and annulment all over the news? No, k-fed knew she was his meal-ticket. He KNEW she was unstable, but saw a great opportunity. He may have even convinced himself he loved her, but what he really loved was her lifestyle. I don’t have much respect for him because that girl was a friggin mess, and he KNEW it, but he wanted.. to be a star, I guess?? Well great.. now he’s a star, for what? Yeah.. that’s just great. He’s obviously a terrific guy trying to help her now and all. Ain’t that sweet? Gee he’s swell. Let's just say, it's complicated.

And her mom.. oh please.. she had control over Britney as a child.. I’m not sure about her dad, but it sure appears her mom had a vested interest in seeing Brit make-it.. so much so she pulls her out of school and pimps her out?? C’mon.. what parent would do that if he/she really had the child’s best interestlong-termat heart?? As far as I’m concerned it’s a sort of child abuse. Plus. there has always been something not quite right about Brit. I’m telling ya’ll if you look very closely at Brit, she looks like a fetal alcohol kid wide eyes.. sort of deformed ears. I’m not a fan of her music at all, but I’ve always noticed she had this vacant look in her eyes. Her mom sold her out probably more than we will ever know, so now she’s praying to God to help Brit?? Why couldn’t Lynne Spears be a mom to her when she had the opportunity? Now it’s up to God? That’s nice of her to think of God now.

Like I said, I’m sorry to be so hard on the mom because sometimes parents can do the best job, and it doesn't matter.. but that doesn't seem to be Lynne Spears. Now, she's playing this part of this rightious woman caught in this turmoil of her own making. They could have WALKED away from show business many times, but no the money was just too good. Also Lynne Spears witnessed the pressure on Britney, but she pimps-out her youngest daughter, too?? Does Jaime-Lynn have any education at all? Brit’s parents could have put her success on hold to have her finish school at least but chose the expedient path. And I have this feeling--well more than a feeling that Brit had issues all along, but people looked the other way. So.. yeah..it just seems to me Lynne Spears shouldn't be writing any books about anything--even the business because if she didn't "like it"--if the business was destroying her kids, then she could have gotten them the hell out. But I have this feeling that Lynne was probably in denial because after all, she was "a star" by extension and reaped the benefits.

Yeah, that’s just great they are trying to help her now when it’s nearly all but too late. Maybe they feel guilty? They should because now it appears Britney is nearly beyond help. She can’t help herself because she is mentally ill, yet she has so much money.. well it’s gonna be a long drop to hit bottom . There will always be someone there to enable her, and get some exposure in the process. Unfortunately, it looks like now she might not even survive the fall. All the money and resources in the world and Britney Spears still might end-up dead. So what's it all worth? It just goes to show that having the means doesn't mean that much in the final analysis.



If you think Britney cannot even trust her own family. Then there's NO 3rd party that can possibly have Britney's best interest at heart. What makes you think this "outside" ally is not interested for their own propaganda or won't be coming back for monetary compensation after this is all said & done? It's really disheartening that "family" would be considered the "dangerous" ones here. You make it sound like they are savages when they have been behind Britney from the start trying to get her to come back home & raise her kids in Lousiana. Let's be real, Justin and Madonna as "guardians" is a joke. What can they do for Britney? It's not their responsibility to babysit her.

You cannot blame Kevin, Lynne, her father, or the media for Britney's misfortune. This began and will end with HER. They were the ones that pressured Britney into going into rehab and THAT is why she got so upset with them. She doesn't want help, she has fired and disregarded everybody who has tried to give her sound advice. Yea, maybe Britney wasn't ready for the spotlight as a teenager, but she wanted this singing career badly. It's not fair to throw Lynne under a bus just because she thought she was doing good by her daughter by sacrificing what she had so her daughter can live her dream. All this stuff has started to unravel in the last couple of years. Lynne can't just "pull" Britney out of the business, she's a full-grown adult now. She revels in it by her own choosing.
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Reply #93 posted 01/06/08 1:30pm

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Her family and "close friends" have tried to reach-out to her? Which ones-- the ones on her payroll? No.. you might be right about celebrities... but her family obtaining guardianship would be very dangerous. Everything--EVERYTHING then would be in their power... all of her accounts.. everything. No. Somebody from the outside--even if it's an agent of state, an advocate or mediator would be better. I was suggesting that maybe Britney herself might be comfortable with somebody who hasn't screwed her literally and figuratively. Madonna and Justin aren't good choices, but maybe a Mesereau type person or perhaps her dad might have it together? Maybe it's time for him to finally take charge? I don't know that much about him because all I've ever seen is Lynne.

That said, from my perspective, this "help" from her family and friends have offered might be a too little too late. Britney Spears is mentally ill, period. She is incapable of listening now. I would imagine,it’s more en vogue to be a drug addict then it is to have a mental illness. So ironically, sending Brit to rehab was really more a way of saving face, if you will. A number of people have problems with depression. learning disabilities what have you. There is no shame in that. But I guess it’s still taboo to admit to having a mental illness, particularly for a pop-star? I guess being a bi-polar music-video artist isn’t as attractive or marketable? So unfortunately for Britney, it was probably more dealing with illness would have been a bit inconvenient and counter-productive to being a pop icon. Yes, she might be a drug addict, too, but it just appears to be a little bit more than a drug problem where she could spend a few weeks in rehab or even months in rehab and clean-upto live to drop a cd another day.

As far as K-fed.. that guy.. c’mon.. I don’t know him.. he might be trying to do right by his kids, but isn’t this same guy who left his pregnant girlfriend for Britney?? No.. I don’t think he has Britney’s best interest at heart.. I’m not suggesting he wants to see her die, but I have this feeling Brit wasn’t all there when they were dating and he KNEW it.. even enabled her. Before K-fed didn’t Brit marry some childhood sweetheart in Vegas just a few months before? Wasn’t her quickie marriage and annulment all over the news? No, k-fed knew she was his meal-ticket. He KNEW she was unstable, but saw a great opportunity. He may have even convinced himself he loved her, but what he really loved was her lifestyle. I don’t have much respect for him because that girl was a friggin mess, and he KNEW it, but he wanted.. to be a star, I guess?? Well great.. now he’s a star, for what? Yeah.. that’s just great. He’s obviously a terrific guy trying to help her now and all. Ain’t that sweet? Gee he’s swell. Let's just say, it's complicated.

And her mom.. oh please.. she had control over Britney as a child.. I’m not sure about her dad, but it sure appears her mom had a vested interest in seeing Brit make-it.. so much so she pulls her out of school and pimps her out?? C’mon.. what parent would do that if he/she really had the child’s best interestlong-termat heart?? As far as I’m concerned it’s a sort of child abuse. Plus. there has always been something not quite right about Brit. I’m telling ya’ll if you look very closely at Brit, she looks like a fetal alcohol kid wide eyes.. sort of deformed ears. I’m not a fan of her music at all, but I’ve always noticed she had this vacant look in her eyes. Her mom sold her out probably more than we will ever know, so now she’s praying to God to help Brit?? Why couldn’t Lynne Spears be a mom to her when she had the opportunity? Now it’s up to God? That’s nice of her to think of God now.

Like I said, I’m sorry to be so hard on the mom because sometimes parents can do the best job, and it doesn't matter.. but that doesn't seem to be Lynne Spears. Now, she's playing this part of this rightious woman caught in this turmoil of her own making. They could have WALKED away from show business many times, but no the money was just too good. Also Lynne Spears witnessed the pressure on Britney, but she pimps-out her youngest daughter, too?? Does Jaime-Lynn have any education at all? Brit’s parents could have put her success on hold to have her finish school at least but chose the expedient path. And I have this feeling--well more than a feeling that Brit had issues all along, but people looked the other way. So.. yeah..it just seems to me Lynne Spears shouldn't be writing any books about anything--even the business because if she didn't "like it"--if the business was destroying her kids, then she could have gotten them the hell out. But I have this feeling that Lynne was probably in denial because after all, she was "a star" by extension and reaped the benefits.

Yeah, that’s just great they are trying to help her now when it’s nearly all but too late. Maybe they feel guilty? They should because now it appears Britney is nearly beyond help. She can’t help herself because she is mentally ill, yet she has so much money.. well it’s gonna be a long drop to hit bottom . There will always be someone there to enable her, and get some exposure in the process. Unfortunately, it looks like now she might not even survive the fall. All the money and resources in the world and Britney Spears still might end-up dead. So what's it all worth? It just goes to show that having the means doesn't mean that much in the final analysis.



If you think Britney cannot even trust her own family. Then there's NO 3rd party that can possibly have Britney's best interest at heart. What makes you think this "outside" ally is not interested for their own propaganda or won't be coming back for monetary compensation after this is all said & done? It's really disheartening that "family" would be considered the "dangerous" ones here. You make it sound like they are savages when they have been behind Britney from the start trying to get her to come back home & raise her kids in Lousiana. Let's be real, Justin and Madonna as "guardians" is a joke. What can they do for Britney? It's not their responsibility to babysit her.

You cannot blame Kevin, Lynne, her father, or the media for Britney's misfortune. This began and will end with HER. They were the ones that pressured Britney into going into rehab and THAT is why she got so upset with them. She doesn't want help, she has fired and disregarded everybody who has tried to give her sound advice. Yea, maybe Britney wasn't ready for the spotlight as a teenager, but she wanted this singing career badly. It's not fair to throw Lynne under a bus just because she thought she was doing good by her daughter by sacrificing what she had so her daughter can live her dream. All this stuff has started to unravel in the last couple of years. Lynne can't just "pull" Britney out of the business, she's a full-grown adult now. She revels in it by her own choosing.


So what you're saying is this is all Britney's fault because she's rich and spoiled? Well she might be spoiled; that's for sure, but whose fault is that?

Lynne Spears could insisted Britney finish her education. You can't tell me Lynne didn't see what was going on with all the.. paps. As as said now it's little too late, but it wasn't too late for Jaime Lynn, was it?

As far as Britney trying to help herself, I don't know what more to say other she HAS MENTAL PROBLEMS. She is incapable of helping herself at this point in time. She is incapable of seeking help because I bet SHE thinks she fine--plus she's probably paranoid, so yeah I'm sure she turned some well-meaning people away.

I don't know Lynne Spears, but some of her decisions have NOT been very good. If this were anybody else, do you really think Lynne Spears has made some good decisions concerning both of her daughters? And you thought my idea was stupid.. well apparently Brit's parents have called in Dr. Phil, right? Are they going to be on his show? Now wouldn't that be a spectacle. Don't you think it might be better to go to somebody who is not in the media? They have the money--why Dr. Phil for crying outloud?

I'm sure a lot of people are blaming Britney and a lot of it is well-deserved. But my point is that she is out of her mind. She is not responsible for her behavior because she has some severe mental issues. It's the people around her who have to take responsibility and the best they can do is Dr. Phil??

Oh please.

I agree that the idea about Madonna and Justin wasn't that great, but what I was getting at is some 3rd party.. someone who Britney MIGHT be able to trust.


P.S. I just wanted to come-back to clarify my point about Madge, Justin, or another person in the business possibly offering their help--or at least maybe a resource. Don't you meet people in your line of work that offer suggestions or maybe even befriend you? I make a lot of friends in my line of work, so from my perspective, it's not unusual for me to suggest that possibly "a friend" of Brit's--a celeb on the same level as she--might offer to help her--intervene, but on her behalf.

To me, it's not out of the realm of possibility because they all move in the same circles--just like I move in the same professional and social circles with my colleagues. I'm not suggesting Madge, Justin or whoever advertise helping her or getting publicity like Dr. Phil. Frank Sinatra never advertised the fact he was helping--taking care of Joe Lewis(??) I believe. He just did it. Frank Sinatra had nothing to gain by helping him.. Not many people even knew about it until after he died.

So that's what I'm talking about.. just human compassion, celebrity or not. I don't think it's as "stupid" as appearing on Dr. Phil for all the world to see. He's just another one to benefit from a very bad situation: http://www.drphil.com/ (check-out Tuesday's lineup.)
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Reply #95 posted 01/06/08 4:52pm

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I disagree.

People with a mental illness often refuse help (whether or not they have the funds like Britney Spears) without knowing what it good for them. This looks like a classic case of bipolar disorder.

Often people with a mental illness do not know if they are hurting themselves or the people that they love.


It's a mental illness. Not mental retardation. It was mentioned back when she went to rehab earlier last year that doctors felt she was suffering from bipolar disorder than. If she was told she suffered from BPD at that time; and she chose not to continue treatment for it, than she should be held responsible for her actions; just like any other mentally ill person should be if they end up hurting someone or themselves in the midst of a mental breakdown. There was a case of a guy who was diagnosed as having HIV a few years ago and he knowingly had sex with 8 women and gave them the virus and he was arrested and imprisoned for it. If doctors diagnose you with something that can potentially cause harm to others around you, than it is that person's responsibility to get the proper treatment to ensure nothing bad happens. If she was told that she was suffering from BPD and/or depression while she was in rehab that 30 days; and she isn't taking medication, than she's a fault for anything bad that happens to her or anyone around IMO. My mom suffered from severe depression when I was a pre-teen and she checked herself into hospitals for mental evaulation on more than one occasion. She didn't flip out with us watching and have to be handcuffed to a stretcher and forced into treatment. I respect her to this day for swallowing her pride and doing what was best for not only herself but for our family as well. There are many mentally ill people who have therapists and don't bank as much money as she does; so she really has no excuse. If she was having a panic attack, which was why she supposedly missed her previous deposition due to 'illness' than she should have called a doctor at that point if something soo simple as talking to a lawyer can cause her to freak out to the point of sickness. Why should anyone have to hold her hand and walk her into a doctor's office? She's not mentally retarded.


I respect what you have written, but I have to disagree with you. Some people with mental illness just do not know they are ill and refuse to go into treatment. Sometimes that is part of being mentally ill. But others do realize taht they need help and seek it. I just hope that Britney Spears gets the help she needs for herself and for her children.
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Reply #96 posted 01/06/08 6:09pm

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WHOSE OUT FIRST.....SPEARS OR WINEHOUSE????? PLACE UR BETS.....
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disbelief i cant understand how you could try to make a joke out of either of their situations confused

all i can say is i hope she gets the help she needs neutral



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i'm not making a joke out of either situation.....both a waste of talent and life!!!! u have people like myself trying to get a toe in the door, and then you have both these folks, who just sh*t their opportunities away!!!
trust me- IT'S NOT FUNNY!!!!! if they keep going the way they're going, they're both gonna go outta here!!!!!
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Reply #97 posted 01/06/08 11:04pm

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Reply #98 posted 01/07/08 6:52am

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britney is 1 of many in this situation confused

I wish her all the best
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