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Reply #60 posted 09/29/07 8:19pm

Timmy84

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how can the beastie boys even be eligible before run dmc?? and i thought an artist had to wait 25 years after their debut album before they are eligible...didnt the beastie boys come out around 1987?


Actually they're now saying "single". I believe that's how Grandmaster Flash got inducted if I'm not mistaken though they did say "album", lol.
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Reply #61 posted 09/30/07 12:20am

marto

beasite boys put out an ep in 1982 thats a recording.

run dmc is not elidgble untill next year
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Reply #62 posted 09/30/07 8:22am

Timmy84

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beasite boys put out an ep in 1982 thats a recording.

run dmc is not elidgble untill next year


Oh ok, wow... now I see... and they started out as a punk band that became a hip-hop group and were something of a mixture of rap and rock and other sounds by the end of the nineties.
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Reply #63 posted 09/30/07 8:38am

Timmy84

I stand corrected:

Run DMC's debut single, "It's Like That", came out in 1983, not 1982.

How odd that the Beasties formed in 1979 and released their first music in 1982... lucky bastards. lol

I definitely think they do need to be inducted though. "Fight for Your Right to Party" and "No Sleep 'til Brooklyn" (along with "Walk this Way", "King of Rock" and "Rock Box") were as influential in the mixture of rap and rock.

I think Run DMC will be shoo-ins next year.
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Reply #64 posted 09/30/07 9:01am

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I think John Mellencamp should definitely get it. I think his performance will be great. He's the one that screams "legend" at of all of these. I love Madonna but hearing that she might be inducted makes me feel old!!!!!
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Reply #65 posted 09/30/07 9:40am

Timmy84

JuliePurplehead said:

I think John Mellencamp should definitely get it. I think his performance will be great. He's the one that screams "legend" at of all of these. I love Madonna but hearing that she might be inducted makes me feel old!!!!!


nod Though I feel Donna Summer screams the same thing to me. biggrin

I think John and Donna will be shoo-ins in my honest opinion. Afrika & the Beasties could be inducted at the same time and it'll come down to Madonna vs. the Dave Clark Five. I truly believe so.
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Reply #66 posted 09/30/07 5:55pm

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Volitan said:

What about Rush.....


It's absolutely ridiculous that Rush is not in. confused

Anyway, still interesting to "handicap" this year's set of nominees!
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Reply #67 posted 09/30/07 8:16pm

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JuliePurplehead said:

I think John Mellencamp should definitely get it. I think his performance will be great. He's the one that screams "legend" at of all of these. I love Madonna but hearing that she might be inducted makes me feel old!!!!!


Legend? How about Leonard Cohen? If ever he doesn't get inducted, I wish he'd say, "I've seen the future, brother: It is murder!"
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Reply #68 posted 10/01/07 8:46am

Anxiety

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Timmy84 said:



Huh? What happened? What did she say?



don't quote me..but i read on this website(the internet isnt really that reliable) but she called patti smith both ulgy and talentless.


as a fan of both joan's and patti's, i find that INCREDIBLY hard to believe.

and having seen joan live twice (three times including when i saw her perform in "Rocky Horror" on Broadway), i can tell you that if she's not talented, she does a hell of a job at faking it...and she has been for the past two or three decades.
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Reply #69 posted 10/01/07 1:58pm

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Beastie Boys were the opening act 4 the Virgin Tour

poor mid-80's Madonna wanabe mallrat girls.. lol

rehearsal pic..

...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart...
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Reply #70 posted 10/02/07 8:22am

marto

did t last year ill do it again: locks id say yes & fuck no

Locks
Madonna
Beastie boys


Id say yes
dave clark 5
Leonard Cohen:
John Mellencamp
Afrika Bambaataa:
Donna summers

Fuck No
The Ventures:
Chic:
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Reply #71 posted 10/02/07 8:34am

marto



MADONNA & BEASTIES FOR 2008

run dmc FOR 2009
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Reply #72 posted 10/02/07 9:07am

Timmy84

marto said:

did t last year ill do it again: locks id say yes & fuck no

Locks
Madonna
Beastie boys


Id say yes
dave clark 5
Leonard Cohen:
John Mellencamp
Afrika Bambaataa:
Donna summers

Fuck No
The Ventures:
Chic:


Ya know, I'm gonna have to agree with you. nod Though we know two of the five "yes's" will have to wait the next time. I have a feeling DC5 will be on the outs again or Leonard Cohen because I'm hearing they may let DC5 in this year so who knows? And we have another dilemma: will they let in two nationally known rap legends in there? But we shall see though. So I feel if Jan Wenner wants "ratings", Afrika will also be out (though I so want him to get in there).

It'll be funny if Madonna and the Beasties get inducted... it'll feel, just like you said, 1985 all over again. lol
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Reply #73 posted 10/02/07 9:17am

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I would say no on the Dave Clark Five also, and the reason being, they are almost being grandfathered in at this point, which is alright, but with that being the case, just let more people in. Be like the Baseball Hall of Fame, one year no one got in, another year 11 people got in, there is no limit at all, and you need a certain % of votes, its not a battle for the top 5. The Hall is missing way too many people for me to actually look at artists like Dave Clark Five, Leonard Cohen,Chic,Ventures and say it would be sad if they didnt get in. I mean just missing Chicago and Hall and Oates is enough to tear down the place. But the absence of Rock Women like Joan Jett or Benatar or Heart and then to miss KISS and ALice Cooper, who influenced alot of bands that exist today, its just crazy at this point. But all i know is if John Mellencamp doesnt make it this time and misses votes for the fourth time im going to lose my mind, one year Percy Sledge got more votes than him? Whos voting Percys family?

We also have to remember the way the Hall runs its shows now, they seem to pick from genres and time periods too, my guess if Dave Clark Five gets in it will be one of those inducted to little fanfare and maybe not even a video segment. If i had to guess this year I would say its going to be John,Madonna,DC5 or Leonard and either Afrikka or Beastie. and either Donna or Chic.
[Edited 10/2/07 9:21am]

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Reply #74 posted 10/02/07 9:51am

Timmy84

lastdecember said:

I would say no on the Dave Clark Five also, and the reason being, they are almost being grandfathered in at this point, which is alright, but with that being the case, just let more people in. Be like the Baseball Hall of Fame, one year no one got in, another year 11 people got in, there is no limit at all, and you need a certain % of votes, its not a battle for the top 5. The Hall is missing way too many people for me to actually look at artists like Dave Clark Five, Leonard Cohen,Chic,Ventures and say it would be sad if they didnt get in. I mean just missing Chicago and Hall and Oates is enough to tear down the place. But the absence of Rock Women like Joan Jett or Benatar or Heart and then to miss KISS and ALice Cooper, who influenced alot of bands that exist today, its just crazy at this point. But all i know is if John Mellencamp doesnt make it this time and misses votes for the fourth time im going to lose my mind, one year Percy Sledge got more votes than him? Whos voting Percys family?

We also have to remember the way the Hall runs its shows now, they seem to pick from genres and time periods too, my guess if Dave Clark Five gets in it will be one of those inducted to little fanfare and maybe not even a video segment. If i had to guess this year I would say its going to be John,Madonna,DC5 or Leonard and either Afrikka or Beastie. and either Donna or Chic.
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Co-sign. I think Halls of Fame are like popularity contests. I mean, yeah they do try to induct the more reasonable ones but they do it at a less than frenetic pace. Plus politics play a role in this. I mean, I think it's absurd that the Ronettes get in but the Marvelettes don't. Also considering Smokey Robinson's solo career started in 1973 yet he gets inducted in 1987 alone without the Miracles, I'm convinced that some games are played during nomination ballots, they tend to have "chads" in there that'll put in the more awkward artist and say he's worthy of the Hall of Fame. Like why is Percy in there but you couldn't induct Johnnie Taylor or Joe Tex, two men who carried Southern-based soul music to the top and had their share of worshippers? Politics. I mean, I'll dig it if Donna gets in because not too many black female artists are in there and she's influential to a lot of artists and I'll be happy if Leonard and John gets in because they're respectable acts. So I'm 50/50 with the Hall of Fame but I understand why it often gets criticized.

IMHO, some legendary rock acts (like KISS and Alice Cooper and the motherfucking Stooges - they're more inclined than the Sex Pistols who totally shunned them, lol!) are too fucking big for the Hall of Fame. Even Rush. lol And let's not even mention Metallica... well maybe they'll get in 2009... I just hope Jethro Tull don't get in next year on the nomination ballot. lol
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Reply #75 posted 10/02/07 12:10pm

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lastdecember said:

I would say no on the Dave Clark Five also, and the reason being, they are almost being grandfathered in at this point, which is alright, but with that being the case, just let more people in. Be like the Baseball Hall of Fame, one year no one got in, another year 11 people got in, there is no limit at all, and you need a certain % of votes, its not a battle for the top 5. The Hall is missing way too many people for me to actually look at artists like Dave Clark Five, Leonard Cohen,Chic,Ventures and say it would be sad if they didnt get in. I mean just missing Chicago and Hall and Oates is enough to tear down the place. But the absence of Rock Women like Joan Jett or Benatar or Heart and then to miss KISS and ALice Cooper, who influenced alot of bands that exist today, its just crazy at this point. But all i know is if John Mellencamp doesnt make it this time and misses votes for the fourth time im going to lose my mind, one year Percy Sledge got more votes than him? Whos voting Percys family?

We also have to remember the way the Hall runs its shows now, they seem to pick from genres and time periods too, my guess if Dave Clark Five gets in it will be one of those inducted to little fanfare and maybe not even a video segment. If i had to guess this year I would say its going to be John,Madonna,DC5 or Leonard and either Afrikka or Beastie. and either Donna or Chic.
[Edited 10/2/07 9:21am]


Co-sign. I think Halls of Fame are like popularity contests. I mean, yeah they do try to induct the more reasonable ones but they do it at a less than frenetic pace. Plus politics play a role in this. I mean, I think it's absurd that the Ronettes get in but the Marvelettes don't. Also considering Smokey Robinson's solo career started in 1973 yet he gets inducted in 1987 alone without the Miracles, I'm convinced that some games are played during nomination ballots, they tend to have "chads" in there that'll put in the more awkward artist and say he's worthy of the Hall of Fame. Like why is Percy in there but you couldn't induct Johnnie Taylor or Joe Tex, two men who carried Southern-based soul music to the top and had their share of worshippers? Politics. I mean, I'll dig it if Donna gets in because not too many black female artists are in there and she's influential to a lot of artists and I'll be happy if Leonard and John gets in because they're respectable acts. So I'm 50/50 with the Hall of Fame but I understand why it often gets criticized.

IMHO, some legendary rock acts (like KISS and Alice Cooper and the motherfucking Stooges - they're more inclined than the Sex Pistols who totally shunned them, lol!) are too fucking big for the Hall of Fame. Even Rush. lol And let's not even mention Metallica... well maybe they'll get in 2009... I just hope Jethro Tull don't get in next year on the nomination ballot. lol


Yeah i agree, just the fact that Hall and Oates is not in there is just beyond me, i tell people that and they go "wait...they have to be in there" and then i say no, Chicago isnt, the Moody Blues arent etc... But to me to not have Hall and Oates is just absurd, they are still the most succesful duo of all time, beating the Everly Brothers who are in the HOF, and just the fact that Hall and Oates are artists that have JOINED genres of music and races of people, that clearly puts them in. So like u said the Hall is a 50/50 game at this point, some i look at and go OK they should be in without a doubt and some where i go WTF!!! Like the Dixie Cups?? How did they get in?

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Reply #76 posted 10/02/07 12:14pm

Timmy84

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:



Co-sign. I think Halls of Fame are like popularity contests. I mean, yeah they do try to induct the more reasonable ones but they do it at a less than frenetic pace. Plus politics play a role in this. I mean, I think it's absurd that the Ronettes get in but the Marvelettes don't. Also considering Smokey Robinson's solo career started in 1973 yet he gets inducted in 1987 alone without the Miracles, I'm convinced that some games are played during nomination ballots, they tend to have "chads" in there that'll put in the more awkward artist and say he's worthy of the Hall of Fame. Like why is Percy in there but you couldn't induct Johnnie Taylor or Joe Tex, two men who carried Southern-based soul music to the top and had their share of worshippers? Politics. I mean, I'll dig it if Donna gets in because not too many black female artists are in there and she's influential to a lot of artists and I'll be happy if Leonard and John gets in because they're respectable acts. So I'm 50/50 with the Hall of Fame but I understand why it often gets criticized.

IMHO, some legendary rock acts (like KISS and Alice Cooper and the motherfucking Stooges - they're more inclined than the Sex Pistols who totally shunned them, lol!) are too fucking big for the Hall of Fame. Even Rush. lol And let's not even mention Metallica... well maybe they'll get in 2009... I just hope Jethro Tull don't get in next year on the nomination ballot. lol


Yeah i agree, just the fact that Hall and Oates is not in there is just beyond me, i tell people that and they go "wait...they have to be in there" and then i say no, Chicago isnt, the Moody Blues arent etc... But to me to not have Hall and Oates is just absurd, they are still the most succesful duo of all time, beating the Everly Brothers who are in the HOF, and just the fact that Hall and Oates are artists that have JOINED genres of music and races of people, that clearly puts them in. So like u said the Hall is a 50/50 game at this point, some i look at and go OK they should be in without a doubt and some where i go WTF!!! Like the Dixie Cups?? How did they get in?


Yeah, Hall & Oates are LEGENDS, man. I'm beginning to think they may get nominated in like five years. The committee also is infamous for limiting number of nominees/inductees to the point where it's become redundant really.
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Reply #77 posted 10/02/07 12:22pm

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Timmy84 said:

Yeah, Hall & Oates are LEGENDS, man. I'm beginning to think they may get nominated in like five years. The committee also is infamous for limiting number of nominees/inductees to the point where it's become redundant really.


Hall and Oates was one of the few 70's rock and soul acts to not only survive but dominate the 80's. Many of their songs had crossover appeal. They were MTV staples in the early 80's. And they made many good songs. There'd be several acts I'd vote for before H&O, but many more acts I wouldn't vote for over them.
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