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Reply #60 posted 09/20/07 9:37am

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But he doesn't dance like that anymore. He use to actually more or less dance back in the 70s, he wasn't that technical back then, making him more spontaneous. However between Thriller and Bad his dancing has more or less been the same, he has become quite highly choregraphed and quite tecnhical. And now it's about the moonwalk, crotch grabbing and standing on his toes.

The reason why the Jackson variety shows are great is that you actually see him being more diverse, therefore you see how he would normally dance, like in a club setting, to the Street dancing of the 70s to Jazz dancing. One minute it looked like he belong to the Soul Train line up and the next minutes he could be part of the Chorus Line.
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Of course he does not dance like he used to in the '60s and '70s. But a professional dancer will tell you that in the '80s and '90s Michael Jackson was not limited to just the "moonwalk," "crotch grabbing," and "standing on his toes." His mastering of different techniques has led the average person to mistakes these moves as his own creations (some of them are, but not all).

Back to the debate: Michael Jackson is a superior dancer to Janet Jackson. End of thread.

I know he did more than that, but in general his dancing has been more or less repetitive. I am not even bringing Janet into the equation because without Paula Abdul she would probably` still be doing two steps, but that doesn't take away the fact that MJ has become very repetitive hence his dancing has become stale and highly parodized over the years.
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Reply #61 posted 09/20/07 9:39am

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Rodya24 said:






Of course he does not dance like he used to in the '60s and '70s. But a professional dancer will tell you that in the '80s and '90s Michael Jackson was not limited to just the "moonwalk," "crotch grabbing," and "standing on his toes." His mastering of different techniques has led the average person to mistakes these moves as his own creations (some of them are, but not all).

Back to the debate: Michael Jackson is a superior dancer to Janet Jackson. End of thread.

I know he did more than that, but in general his dancing has been more or less repetitive. I am not even bringing Janet into the equation because without Paula Abdul she would probably` still be doing two steps, but that doesn't take away the fact that MJ has become very repetitive hence his dancing has become stale and highly parodized over the years.






So what?

Every legendary entertainer has their trademark moves and songs.
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Reply #62 posted 09/20/07 9:54am

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Rodya24 said:

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I know he did more than that, but in general his dancing has been more or less repetitive. I am not even bringing Janet into the equation because without Paula Abdul she would probably` still be doing two steps, but that doesn't take away the fact that MJ has become very repetitive hence his dancing has become stale and highly parodized over the years.






So what?

Every legendary entertainer has their trademark moves and songs.


So nothing, I am just saying it's become repetitive and when something becomes too repetitive it becomes stale after while.
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Reply #63 posted 09/20/07 9:56am

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whatsgoingon said:

Rodya24 said:







So what?

Every legendary entertainer has their trademark moves and songs.


So nothing, I am just saying it's become repetitive and when something becomes too repetitive it becomes stale after while.



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Reply #64 posted 09/20/07 10:49am

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I think both are very talented dancers but I would have to go with Micheal as being a better over all dancer because he shows the abiltily to free style and do choregrapghy..

but as far doing choregraphy I think Janet is better even Tina Landon said Janet picked up the choregraphy quicker than Micheal . and I really don't understand why some of you think as doing choregraphy as being " talented less " cause you still have to have the abilitly .If you don't know how to dance and go to a class your still not going to being the " IF" routine . which is exactly why Paula Abula didn' "teach" Janet how to dance she always had the abillitly.
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Reply #65 posted 09/20/07 6:22pm

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Reply #66 posted 09/20/07 6:28pm

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=EiU2LNFe-WA



Just awful. cool
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Reply #67 posted 09/20/07 6:33pm

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shortstuff45220 said:

I think both are very talented dancers but I would have to go with Micheal as being a better over all dancer because he shows the abiltily to free style and do choregrapghy..

but as far doing choregraphy I think Janet is better even Tina Landon said Janet picked up the choregraphy quicker than Micheal . and I really don't understand why some of you think as doing choregraphy as being " talented less " cause you still have to have the abilitly .If you don't know how to dance and go to a class your sill not going to being the " IF" routine . which is exactly why Paula Abula didn' "teach" Janet how to dance she always had the abillitly.


exactly, professional dancers are always choreographed, the average person dancing on the street cannot pick up those routines if their lives depended on it.in case yall forgot michael uses choreographers to, matter fact he and janet has worked with some of the same ones.
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Reply #68 posted 09/20/07 9:26pm

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Michael Jackson, hands down! Ain't no one better.
Janet Jackson comes right behind him as a close close close close second though.
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Reply #69 posted 09/21/07 3:46am

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Michael! One other thing.....

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Reply #70 posted 09/21/07 5:28am

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Janet.. but I do respect Michael as an artist.

For some reason, I just was never a huge Michael Jackson fan well to the extent I'm a fan of Janet's.

I blame Prince! lol I'm just kidding, of course.
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Reply #71 posted 09/21/07 6:41am

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What a stupid question!

Michael is the better dancer !!!!!

Even Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire admired him.

He is an idol for almost every dancer I know!!

And I think in his prime ( 1982-93) even Prince was better than Janet.

He was dancing like a wild animal pure sex.Take for example "The Question of u"okio Nude Tour performance-better than anything Janet ever did!!
And donĀ“t forget Prince can do Ballet!!(Scandalous)smile)
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Reply #72 posted 09/21/07 10:11am

Isel

Oh.. This is about dancing? I didn't read all the topic. Oops

Well, probably one of my most favorite dancers would be Desmond Richardson, Ann Reinking.. Sylvie Guillem.. Judith Jameson...and SAVION GLOVER--just to name a few outside of Baryshnikov! LOL. I also love Carlos Acosta, Elisabeth Parkenson(sp), Ethan Stieffel.. But out of them all.. I'm just crazy about Savion.

Between Michael and Janet.. I would say they both are good at what they do. I think Janet is probably more choregraphed.. but then again wasn't Michael choreographed, too? (Didn't the late, great Michael Peters choreograph some of MJ's most well-known videos?)

Actually, I love the way Prince dances.

I don't consider MJ, Janet, or Prince dancers on the same level as even some of their back-up dancers. They are very, very good... and very natural dancers, but they probably couldn't compete as professional dancers. So I would say all three of them effectively use dance as a way of enhancing their music.

I'm going to say this.. right now my favorite dancer is Savion Glover. I really respect him as an artist. He is just amazing..the way he dance to communicate. like music. Savion is a just a treasure.. really. So as an artist, I might put Savion at the top...

P.S. I've always preferred Kelly over Astaire...
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Reply #73 posted 09/21/07 10:41am

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Isel said:

Oh.. This is about dancing? I didn't read all the topic. Oops

Well, probably one of my most favorite dancers would be Desmond Richardson, Ann Reinking.. Sylvie Guillem.. Judith Jameson...and SAVION GLOVER--just to name a few outside of Baryshnikov! LOL. I also love Carlos Acosta, Elisabeth Parkenson(sp), Ethan Stieffel.. But out of them all.. I'm just crazy about Savion.

Between Michael and Janet.. I would say they both are good at what they do. I think Janet is probably more choregraphed.. but then again wasn't Michael choreographed, too? (Didn't the late, great Michael Peters choreograph some of MJ's most well-known videos?)

Actually, I love the way Prince dances.

I don't consider MJ, Janet, or Prince dancers on the same level as even some of their back-up dancers. They are very, very good... and very natural dancers, but they probably couldn't compete as professional dancers. So I would say all three of them effectively use dance as a way of enhancing their music.

I'm going to say this.. right now my favorite dancer is Savion Glover. I really respect him as an artist. He is just amazing..the way he dance to communicate. like music. Savion is a just a treasure.. really. So as an artist, I might put Savion at the top...

P.S. I've always preferred Kelly over Astaire...
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I think only Michael could hang with professional dancers. He worked with The Nicholas Brothers and taught Sammy Davis Jr how to breakdance. He was going to do a show with Savion, but it was never finished.

And yes, Gene Kelly was a beast, but Astaire was the man!
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Reply #74 posted 09/21/07 10:49am

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bboy87 said:

Isel said:

Oh.. This is about dancing? I didn't read all the topic. Oops

Well, probably one of my most favorite dancers would be Desmond Richardson, Ann Reinking.. Sylvie Guillem.. Judith Jameson...and SAVION GLOVER--just to name a few outside of Baryshnikov! LOL. I also love Carlos Acosta, Elisabeth Parkenson(sp), Ethan Stieffel.. But out of them all.. I'm just crazy about Savion.

Between Michael and Janet.. I would say they both are good at what they do. I think Janet is probably more choregraphed.. but then again wasn't Michael choreographed, too? (Didn't the late, great Michael Peters choreograph some of MJ's most well-known videos?)

Actually, I love the way Prince dances.

I don't consider MJ, Janet, or Prince dancers on the same level as even some of their back-up dancers. They are very, very good... and very natural dancers, but they probably couldn't compete as professional dancers. So I would say all three of them effectively use dance as a way of enhancing their music.

I'm going to say this.. right now my favorite dancer is Savion Glover. I really respect him as an artist. He is just amazing..the way he dance to communicate. like music. Savion is a just a treasure.. really. So as an artist, I might put Savion at the top...

P.S. I've always preferred Kelly over Astaire...
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I think only Michael could hang with professional dancers. He worked with The Nicholas Brothers and taught Sammy Davis Jr how to breakdance. He was going to do a show with Savion, but it was never finished.

And yes, Gene Kelly was a beast, but Astaire was the man!


Well Astaire.. I dunno. They were both great, but I preferred Kelly's athleticism over Astaire's finesse.

Mmm Michael worked with the Nicholas brothers? Interesting..

But Savion.. wow! Have seen any clips of his show Classical Savion? I missed it when it was here, and I could just kick myself. But I've seen a few clips.. Savion.. is a musician/dancer. That guy just gets better and better. He is always so innovative..improvisational. I just can't speak highly enough about Savion. I saw this video he did with Kenny G?? It's old..I think. I just happen to see it. Savion. I sure wish he do more television appearances.
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Reply #75 posted 09/21/07 11:07am

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Isel said:

bboy87 said:


I think only Michael could hang with professional dancers. He worked with The Nicholas Brothers and taught Sammy Davis Jr how to breakdance. He was going to do a show with Savion, but it was never finished.

And yes, Gene Kelly was a beast, but Astaire was the man!


Well Astaire.. I dunno. They were both great, but I preferred Kelly's athleticism over Astaire's finesse.

Mmm Michael worked with the Nicholas brothers? Interesting..

But Savion.. wow! Have seen any clips of his show Classical Savion? I missed it when it was here, and I could just kick myself. But I've seen a few clips.. Savion.. is a musician/dancer. That guy just gets better and better. He is always so innovative..improvisational. I just can't speak highly enough about Savion. I saw this video he did with Kenny G?? It's old..I think. I just happen to see it. Savion. I sure wish he do more television appearances.

Here's Michael with the Nicholas Brothers:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Ks3WKBuaKs

Savion is one of my favorites too. He's one of the best right now.
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Reply #76 posted 09/21/07 11:16am

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Isel said:

bboy87 said:


I think only Michael could hang with professional dancers. He worked with The Nicholas Brothers and taught Sammy Davis Jr how to breakdance. He was going to do a show with Savion, but it was never finished.

And yes, Gene Kelly was a beast, but Astaire was the man!


Well Astaire.. I dunno. They were both great, but I preferred Kelly's athleticism over Astaire's finesse.

Mmm Michael worked with the Nicholas brothers? Interesting..

But Savion.. wow! Have seen any clips of his show Classical Savion? I missed it when it was here, and I could just kick myself. But I've seen a few clips.. Savion.. is a musician/dancer. That guy just gets better and better. He is always so innovative..improvisational. I just can't speak highly enough about Savion. I saw this video he did with Kenny G?? It's old..I think. I just happen to see it. Savion. I sure wish he do more television appearances.



LOL! This is what I meant with this thread. Just talk about the dancing and their styles of dancing. I preferred Gene Kelly's athleticism as well, but Fred Astaire was quite amazing himself. It's all a matter of personal preference.

Michael is a more talented dancer than Janet and definitely Prince. But neither of those three are typically "dancers" even if they have had extensive dance lessons and dance training.

Savion Glover? All I remember is when Gregory Hines said he couldn't do what Savion could. Whoa. High praise indeed.

Boy, I miss the "Prince is the greatest guitarist" threads... lol
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Reply #77 posted 09/21/07 11:28am

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My MJ dance videos were taken down http://www.google.com/sea...tnG=Search
http://www.google.com/sea...=firefox-a
http://www.forumeter.com/...mpilation-
only because I had other copyrighted material on there confused

Just happens my account was closed the same day all the Prince videos were taken down!!!! (clip made by lilgish at Prince.Org)

IMO, they there were the best videos showing MJ's dancing ability and I can no longer seem to find them on my backups.
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Reply #78 posted 09/21/07 11:33am

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The Nicholas Brothers.

Neither one of those sibling slugs could hang with those siblings.

But for real, I pick Mike but Janet has perfected some great dance moves over the years.

And yes Mike was very diverse with his dancing in the '70s. He "limited" those moves afterwards because, he figured, that's what his fans wanted. I don't know if he could even do the dances he did in the '70s though.

He done broke his back and his hips and shit, which can explain why he looked so monotone and robotic in his 2001 MSG performances, he is still a great dancer but he was going through the motions during this and his American Bandstand '02 performance.

Janet gets down when she learns the choreography and she got the choreography down pat. People don't get Ms. Dunk that much credit. Yes Paula Abdul molded her dancing, Tina Landon perfected it even more so but Janet was their greatest student therefore she was able to be a very talented entertainer. smile

In terms of females in dance, I say she's right up there with Ginger Rogers in terms of choreography and Tina Turner on just plain charge.

With Mike, he's up in the class with James Brown, Joe Tex, Sammy Davis, Nicholas Brothers, Bill Bailey, Jeffrey Daniels, Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly (no matter in what order).

Naturally though I'd always go with MJ.
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Reply #79 posted 09/21/07 11:41am

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lilgish said:

My MJ dance videos were taken down http://www.google.com/sea...tnG=Search
http://www.google.com/sea...=firefox-a
http://www.forumeter.com/...mpilation-
only because I had other copyrighted material on there confused

Just happens my account was closed the same day all the Prince videos were taken down!!!! (clip made by lilgish at Prince.Org)

IMO, they there were the best videos showing MJ's dancing ability and I can no longer seem to find them on my backups.
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I actually viewed those clips of Michael Jackson dancing before they were taken down. Awesome dancing.
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Reply #80 posted 09/21/07 11:42am

Rodya24

Timmy84 said:

The Nicholas Brothers.

Neither one of those sibling slugs could hang with those siblings.

But for real, I pick Mike but Janet has perfected some great dance moves over the years.

And yes Mike was very diverse with his dancing in the '70s. He "limited" those moves afterwards because, he figured, that's what his fans wanted. I don't know if he could even do the dances he did in the '70s though.

He done broke his back and his hips and shit, which can explain why he looked so monotone and robotic in his 2001 MSG performances, he is still a great dancer but he was going through the motions during this and his American Bandstand '02 performance.

Janet gets down when she learns the choreography and she got the choreography down pat. People don't get Ms. Dunk that much credit. Yes Paula Abdul molded her dancing, Tina Landon perfected it even more so but Janet was their greatest student therefore she was able to be a very talented entertainer. smile

In terms of females in dance, I say she's right up there with Ginger Rogers in terms of choreography and Tina Turner on just plain charge.

With Mike, he's up in the class with James Brown, Joe Tex, Sammy Davis, Nicholas Brothers, Bill Bailey, Jeffrey Daniels, Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly (no matter in what order).

Naturally though I'd always go with MJ.



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Reply #81 posted 09/21/07 11:44am

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Reply #82 posted 09/21/07 11:48am

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Awesome. cool

LOL at Janet Jackson singing "Young Love."
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Reply #83 posted 09/21/07 12:05pm

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Rodya24 said:


I actually viewed those clips of Michael Jackson dancing before they were taken down. Awesome dancing.


It almost had 800,000 views. It took me a long time to edit that, and youtube cancels my account without any discretion. confused
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Reply #84 posted 09/21/07 12:08pm

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lilgish said:

Rodya24 said:


I actually viewed those clips of Michael Jackson dancing before they were taken down. Awesome dancing.


It almost had 800,000 views. It took me a long time to edit that, an youtube cancels my account without any discretion. confused

I blame Prince
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Reply #85 posted 09/21/07 12:09pm

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lilgish said:

Rodya24 said:


I actually viewed those clips of Michael Jackson dancing before they were taken down. Awesome dancing.


It almost had 800,000 views. It took me a long time to edit that, an youtube cancels my account without any discretion. confused


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Reply #86 posted 09/21/07 12:15pm

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lilgish said:



It almost had 800,000 views. It took me a long time to edit that, an youtube cancels my account without any discretion. confused

I blame Prince


My MJ, Prince, and James Brown video was taken down. I was going post a rant on the music and more section. I've never been this disillusioned with Prince ever!
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Reply #87 posted 09/21/07 12:19pm

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lilgish said:

bboy87 said:


I blame Prince


My MJ, Prince, and James Brown video was taken down. I was going post a rant on the music and more section. I've never been this disillusioned with Prince ever!


Dude, you should post your rant in Music: Non-Prince. There will probably be a more balanced discussion on the YouTube situation than the one going on in the other forum.
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Reply #88 posted 09/21/07 1:17pm

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Rodya24 said:

bboy87 said:




Awesome. cool

LOL at Janet Jackson singing "Young Love."


The Evolution of Dance is what makes me the saddest. You can't help but smile at what he once was, compared to now...

Here's an interesting topic, since we're throwing out names like Astaire and Kelly.

Has anyone got any video of Michael dancing with someone else? It's one thing to dance alone, but a different skill set to lead or follow a partner.

The only thing I can remember is him dancing around Ola Ray or the Way You Make Me Feel video. (jumping on Michael Jordan's back doesn't count either wink )
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Reply #89 posted 09/21/07 1:19pm

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Alasseon said:

Rodya24 said:

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Awesome. cool

LOL at Janet Jackson singing "Young Love."


The Evolution of Dance is what makes me the saddest. You can't help but smile at what he once was, compared to now...

Here's an interesting topic, since we're throwing out names like Astaire and Kelly.

Has anyone got any video of Michael dancing with someone else? It's one thing to dance alone, but a different skill set to lead or follow a partner.

The only thing I can remember is him dancing around Ola Ray or the Way You Make Me Feel video. (jumping on Michael Jordan's back doesn't count either wink )



Look for clips of the Jackson Variety Show on YouTube. There are clips of Michael Jackson dancing with other people.
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