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Reply #30 posted 09/19/07 2:22pm

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i like bothe michael and janet. but michael is a better singer/dancer/performer
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Reply #31 posted 09/19/07 4:49pm

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Alasseon said:

Forgive me if it's been done to death.

Just curious about the org's opinion about these two.

Both are great in their own ways.

But who's the better dancer?

In terms of variety, I'd have to give it to Janet. She seems to have the most classical training and seems to be able to do different styles of dance.

Mike is great, but in terms of pure dancing ability (not talent -- because Michael seems otherworldly naturally talented), Janet shows more stuff on stage.



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Reply #32 posted 09/19/07 4:58pm

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But in the end what separates Janet Jackson from someone like Rebbie is Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.


If that were true, then everyone else Jimmy & Terry produced for would have been huge. And, along those lines, since Michael wrote and produced for Rebbie, she should have been huge as well.

Bottom line is Janet and Michael possess the ability to perform to a much higher standard than their peers, and THAT is what separates them from their siblings (and many others).
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Reply #33 posted 09/19/07 4:59pm

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kash said:

Alasseon said:

Forgive me if it's been done to death.

Just curious about the org's opinion about these two.

Both are great in their own ways.

But who's the better dancer?

In terms of variety, I'd have to give it to Janet. She seems to have the most classical training and seems to be able to do different styles of dance.

Mike is great, but in terms of pure dancing ability (not talent -- because Michael seems otherworldly naturally talented), Janet shows more stuff on stage.



Funniest biggrin thing ive read for quite a while. Let me just refresh your memory with this old video.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...lk0Y4YjX2g


eek

That was amazing. nod
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Reply #34 posted 09/19/07 5:36pm

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Michael hands down!!!! biggrin
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Reply #35 posted 09/19/07 6:10pm

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Rodya24 said:

kash said:



Funniest biggrin thing ive read for quite a while. Let me just refresh your memory with this old video.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...lk0Y4YjX2g


eek

That was amazing. nod


Ah, it's a matter of personal preference then. Michael is a great dancer.

But he does the same stock moves in every video. Spin, grab crotch, right leg kick, moon-walk, stand on toes, lean to the left. It's gotten so that there are DVDs of people who can teach you all of Mike's signature moves. The problem of course is that Mike hasn't changed his moves in years. Every show looks the same. Janet may not have Big Bro's steps (and definitely his voice), but she makes her stuff look different every time out of the gate.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...cSqGVs3kWE

http://www.youtube.com/wa...KqSvM_afec

http://www.youtube.com/wa...4jFM8KsCfY

LOL...okay...maybe I have a lil crush on Ms. Jackson... lol
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Reply #36 posted 09/19/07 6:24pm

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Ah, it's a matter of personal preference then. Michael is a great dancer.

But he does the same stock moves in every video. Spin, grab crotch, right leg kick, moon-walk, stand on toes, lean to the left. It's gotten so that there are DVDs of people who can teach you all of Mike's signature moves. The problem of course is that Mike hasn't changed his moves in years. Every show looks the same. Janet may not have Big Bro's steps (and definitely his voice), but she makes her stuff look different every time out of the gate.



exactly. he does what he does, well. he's master his 5 moves. but as a dancer, i think he's very limited. be it him or his choreographers (or lack thereof).
you can see a lot of Fosse in Janet's moves. there is obvious street/urban moves, and enough technical movement to just be considered a dance concert.
there are movers and dancers. Michael is a mover..Janet actually dances.

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Reply #37 posted 09/19/07 6:31pm

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I cannot believe what I am reading.

Michael Jackson does not have only five moves. disbelief

Check out performances from the '60s and '70s in particular. His most popular dance moves from the '80s and '90s are so ingrained in popular culture, that it is difficult to understand why Michael Jackson is considered such an amazing dancer.
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Reply #38 posted 09/19/07 6:36pm

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Rodya24 said:

I cannot believe what I am reading.

Michael Jackson does not have only five moves. disbelief

Check out performances from the '60s and '70s in particular. His most popular dance moves from the '80s and '90s are so ingrained in popular culture, that it is difficult to understand why Michael Jackson is considered such an amazing dancer.


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he uses the same 8 counts over and over. lol i'm not saying he's not good at what he does; but as Alasseon said..nothing's changed. his moves now look elementary. i'm sure no one can moonwalk like he does. he can move yes. but lok at Janet;s videos and choreography from her tours. she cleans the floor with Michael's robotic movement. referring back to the choreographer's, Paula Abdul's work with Janet trumps anything Michael's ever done IMO. and if you say MJ's a better dancer than Paula Abdul ..we are soooo done!! hmph! nana

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Reply #39 posted 09/19/07 6:39pm

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CHIC0 said:

Rodya24 said:

I cannot believe what I am reading.

Michael Jackson does not have only five moves. disbelief

Check out performances from the '60s and '70s in particular. His most popular dance moves from the '80s and '90s are so ingrained in popular culture, that it is difficult to understand why Michael Jackson is considered such an amazing dancer.


comfort


he uses the same 8 counts over and over. lol i'm not saying he's not good at what he does; but as Alasseon said..nothing's changed. his moves now look elementary. i'm sure no one can moonwalk like he does. he can move yes. but lok at Janet;s videos and choreography from her tours. she cleans the floor with Michael's robotic movement. referring back to the choreographer's, Paula Abdul's work with Janet trumps anything Michael's ever done IMO. and if you say MJ's a better dancer than Paula Abdul ..we are soooo done!! hmph! nana

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eek

This thread has now veered into the realm of craziness.

I am so over this thread!

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Reply #40 posted 09/19/07 6:43pm

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Rodya24 said:

CHIC0 said:



comfort


he uses the same 8 counts over and over. lol i'm not saying he's not good at what he does; but as Alasseon said..nothing's changed. his moves now look elementary. i'm sure no one can moonwalk like he does. he can move yes. but lok at Janet;s videos and choreography from her tours. she cleans the floor with Michael's robotic movement. referring back to the choreographer's, Paula Abdul's work with Janet trumps anything Michael's ever done IMO. and if you say MJ's a better dancer than Paula Abdul ..we are soooo done!! hmph! nana

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eek

This thread has now veered into the realm of craziness.

I am so over this thread!

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Reply #41 posted 09/19/07 6:53pm

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Rodya24 said:

CHIC0 said:



comfort


he uses the same 8 counts over and over. lol i'm not saying he's not good at what he does; but as Alasseon said..nothing's changed. his moves now look elementary. i'm sure no one can moonwalk like he does. he can move yes. but lok at Janet;s videos and choreography from her tours. she cleans the floor with Michael's robotic movement. referring back to the choreographer's, Paula Abdul's work with Janet trumps anything Michael's ever done IMO. and if you say MJ's a better dancer than Paula Abdul ..we are soooo done!! hmph! nana

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eek

This thread has now veered into the realm of craziness.

I am so over this thread!

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your not the only one! its land of the crazy on here nuts . i retire, just cant be asked. bored
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Reply #42 posted 09/19/07 8:31pm

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definitely michael, he's much more faster, and is an innovator. However, I enjoy janet's routines more, because she doesn't seem afraid to try new and different routines. When she performed all nite don't stop and so excited, I was so surprised in a good way, cause she seemed rusty during all for you IMO. It's been a long time since michael surprised me like that, probably back when he did ghosts, those moves were awesome!

michael is a better freestyler, janet is better at choreography
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Reply #43 posted 09/19/07 9:58pm

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CHIC0 said:

Alasseon said:


Ah, it's a matter of personal preference then. Michael is a great dancer.

But he does the same stock moves in every video. Spin, grab crotch, right leg kick, moon-walk, stand on toes, lean to the left. It's gotten so that there are DVDs of people who can teach you all of Mike's signature moves. The problem of course is that Mike hasn't changed his moves in years. Every show looks the same. Janet may not have Big Bro's steps (and definitely his voice), but she makes her stuff look different every time out of the gate.



exactly. he does what he does, well. he's master his 5 moves. but as a dancer, i think he's very limited. be it him or his choreographers (or lack thereof).
you can see a lot of Fosse in Janet's moves. there is obvious street/urban moves, and enough technical movement to just be considered a dance concert.
there are movers and dancers. Michael is a mover..Janet actually dances.

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Michael is a NATURAL dancer, whereas Janet is completely choreographed. Janet couldn't dance until 1986 lol
The credit for Janet's dance abilities goes to Paula Abdul and the others who taught her how to dance.

believe me, I'm a dancer and Michael has more credibility than Janet in the dancing department cool
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Reply #44 posted 09/20/07 12:19am

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CHIC0 said:




exactly. he does what he does, well. he's master his 5 moves. but as a dancer, i think he's very limited. be it him or his choreographers (or lack thereof).
you can see a lot of Fosse in Janet's moves. there is obvious street/urban moves, and enough technical movement to just be considered a dance concert.
there are movers and dancers. Michael is a mover..Janet actually dances.

nod

Michael is a NATURAL dancer, whereas Janet is completely choreographed. Janet couldn't dance until 1986 lol
The credit for Janet's dance abilities goes to Paula Abdul and the others who taught her how to dance.

believe me, I'm a dancer and Michael has more credibility than Janet in the dancing department cool


yup Janet doesn't get credit for anything she has acheived in HER career. It's always down to someone else lol
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Reply #45 posted 09/20/07 5:17am

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Yep, Janet is the better dancer AND she's the better singer lol
Madge is a better dancer than Mike too lol
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Reply #46 posted 09/20/07 5:27am

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Im sorry but did I just read that correctly?

Michael Jackson only has 5 dance moves and is a very limited dancer? lol lol

What the hell? Thats the most stupid and false comment Ive ever heard, even his most fearsome haters would admit the guy is on a different level when it comes to on stage moves.

I can only guess the person who said that has been in a time capsule for the past 30 years.

And Janet vs Michael? C'mon, its pretty obvious.

The greatest musical entertainer of all time, 700 million records sold, the King Of Pop vs Janet?

Didnt Prince even say Michael was a genius and Janet was just 'the geniuses sister'?

Michael wins, hands down, no contest.
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Reply #47 posted 09/20/07 5:41am

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Zink said:

Im sorry but did I just read that correctly?

Michael Jackson only has 5 dance moves and is a very limited dancer? lol lol

What the hell? Thats the most stupid and false comment Ive ever heard, even his most fearsome haters would admit the guy is on a different level when it comes to on stage moves.

I can only guess the person who said that has been in a time capsule for the past 30 years.

And Janet vs Michael? C'mon, its pretty obvious.

The greatest musical entertainer of all time, 700 million records sold, the King Of Pop vs Janet?

Didnt Prince even say Michael was a genius and Janet was just 'the geniuses sister'?

Michael wins, hands down, no contest.

lol Look this is so absurd it's laughable. So just lol
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Reply #48 posted 09/20/07 8:03am

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Zink said:

Im sorry but did I just read that correctly?

Michael Jackson only has 5 dance moves and is a very limited dancer? lol lol

What the hell? Thats the most stupid and false comment Ive ever heard, even his most fearsome haters would admit the guy is on a different level when it comes to on stage moves.

I can only guess the person who said that has been in a time capsule for the past 30 years.

And Janet vs Michael? C'mon, its pretty obvious.

The greatest musical entertainer of all time, 700 million records sold, the King Of Pop vs Janet?

Didnt Prince even say Michael was a genius and Janet was just 'the geniuses sister'?

Michael wins, hands down, no contest.




shouldn't you be releasing some doves somewhere.?
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Reply #49 posted 09/20/07 8:04am

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bboy87 said:

CHIC0 said:




exactly. he does what he does, well. he's master his 5 moves. but as a dancer, i think he's very limited. be it him or his choreographers (or lack thereof).
you can see a lot of Fosse in Janet's moves. there is obvious street/urban moves, and enough technical movement to just be considered a dance concert.
there are movers and dancers. Michael is a mover..Janet actually dances.

nod

Michael is a NATURAL dancer, whereas Janet is completely choreographed. Janet couldn't dance until 1986 lol
The credit for Janet's dance abilities goes to Paula Abdul and the others who taught her how to dance.

believe me, I'm a dancer and Michael has more credibility than Janet in the dancing department cool



and believe me i'm a dancer.
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Reply #50 posted 09/20/07 8:07am

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funny how not a single person mentioned the Fosse referrence. lol

"dancers" ? yeah right.


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Reply #51 posted 09/20/07 8:09am

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Has anyone that is picking Janet watched Michael on the Bad tour? Damnnnnn. He was doing stuff that like defied gravity and just logic all together on that tour.
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Reply #52 posted 09/20/07 8:14am

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CHIC0 said:

Alasseon said:


Ah, it's a matter of personal preference then. Michael is a great dancer.

But he does the same stock moves in every video. Spin, grab crotch, right leg kick, moon-walk, stand on toes, lean to the left. It's gotten so that there are DVDs of people who can teach you all of Mike's signature moves. The problem of course is that Mike hasn't changed his moves in years. Every show looks the same. Janet may not have Big Bro's steps (and definitely his voice), but she makes her stuff look different every time out of the gate.



exactly. he does what he does, well. he's master his 5 moves. but as a dancer, i think he's very limited. nod


That's one of the most ignorant statement ever...
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Reply #53 posted 09/20/07 8:18am

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Alasseon said:

Rodya24 said:



eek

That was amazing. nod


Ah, it's a matter of personal preference then. Michael is a great dancer.

But he does the same stock moves in every video. Spin, grab crotch, right leg kick, moon-walk, stand on toes, lean to the left. It's gotten so that there are DVDs of people who can teach you all of Mike's signature moves. The problem of course is that Mike hasn't changed his moves in years. Every show looks the same. Janet may not have Big Bro's steps (and definitely his voice), but she makes her stuff look different every time out of the gate.


Does James Brown do different moves ???

Does Prince do different moves (does he even have moves ?)

That's why I said this thread is stupid...

MJ is the most skilled and versatile entertainer of all time. Period.

And this thread is very ignorant.
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Reply #55 posted 09/20/07 8:46am

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Rodya24 said:

I cannot believe what I am reading.

Michael Jackson does not have only five moves. disbelief

Check out performances from the '60s and '70s in particular. His most popular dance moves from the '80s and '90s are so ingrained in popular culture, that it is difficult to understand why Michael Jackson is considered such an amazing dancer.


But he doesn't dance like that anymore. He use to actually more or less dance back in the 70s, he wasn't that technical back then, making him more spontaneous. However between Thriller and Bad his dancing has more or less been the same, he has become quite highly choregraphed and quite tecnhical. And now it's about the moonwalk, crotch grabbing and standing on his toes.

The reason why the Jackson variety shows are great is that you actually see him being more diverse, therefore you see how he would normally dance, like in a club setting, to the Street dancing of the 70s to Jazz dancing. One minute it looked like he belong to the Soul Train line up and the next minutes he could be part of the Chorus Line.
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Reply #56 posted 09/20/07 8:46am

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krayzie said:

Alasseon said:



Ah, it's a matter of personal preference then. Michael is a great dancer.

But he does the same stock moves in every video. Spin, grab crotch, right leg kick, moon-walk, stand on toes, lean to the left. It's gotten so that there are DVDs of people who can teach you all of Mike's signature moves. The problem of course is that Mike hasn't changed his moves in years. Every show looks the same. Janet may not have Big Bro's steps (and definitely his voice), but she makes her stuff look different every time out of the gate.


Does James Brown do different moves ???

Does Prince do different moves (does he even have moves ?)

That's why I said this thread is stupid...

MJ is the most skilled and versatile entertainer of all time. Period.


And this thread is very ignorant.
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Reply #57 posted 09/20/07 9:27am

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whatsgoingon said:

Rodya24 said:

I cannot believe what I am reading.

Michael Jackson does not have only five moves. disbelief

Check out performances from the '60s and '70s in particular. His most popular dance moves from the '80s and '90s are so ingrained in popular culture, that it is difficult to understand why Michael Jackson is considered such an amazing dancer.


But he doesn't dance like that anymore. He use to actually more or less dance back in the 70s, he wasn't that technical back then, making him more spontaneous. However between Thriller and Bad his dancing has more or less been the same, he has become quite highly choregraphed and quite tecnhical. And now it's about the moonwalk, crotch grabbing and standing on his toes.

The reason why the Jackson variety shows are great is that you actually see him being more diverse, therefore you see how he would normally dance, like in a club setting, to the Street dancing of the 70s to Jazz dancing. One minute it looked like he belong to the Soul Train line up and the next minutes he could be part of the Chorus Line.
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Of course he does not dance like he used to in the '60s and '70s. But a professional dancer will tell you that in the '80s and '90s Michael Jackson was not limited to just the "moonwalk," "crotch grabbing," and "standing on his toes." His mastering of different techniques has led the average person to mistakes these moves as his own creations (some of them are, but not all).

Back to the debate: Michael Jackson is a superior dancer to Janet Jackson. End of thread.
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Reply #58 posted 09/20/07 9:29am

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Has anyone that is picking Janet watched Michael on the Bad tour? Damnnnnn. He was doing stuff that like defied gravity and just logic all together on that tour.


Janet also learned alot of choreography off MJ during The Jacksons shows in the late 70's, the thriller, beat it, bad, captain eo, smooth criminal etc. videos. Even later on in his career Dangerous (mtv 95) and ghosts (97) show how good a choreography dancer MJ is.

As for the person who goes on about the sames moves, there are not many singers who can do these special moves, cant even see janet do the robot dancing machine moonwalk, sidewalk, popping, spinning 6 times etc. Fans wanna see these individual trademark moves and this is what sets him apart from people who can only do choreography. biggrin.
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Reply #59 posted 09/20/07 9:34am

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kash said:

JasonStar said:

Has anyone that is picking Janet watched Michael on the Bad tour? Damnnnnn. He was doing stuff that like defied gravity and just logic all together on that tour.


Janet also learned alot of choreography off MJ during The Jacksons shows in the late 70's, the thriller, beat it, bad, captain eo, smooth criminal etc. videos. Even later on in his career Dangerous (mtv 95) and ghosts (97) show how good a choreography dancer MJ is.

As for the person who goes on about the sames moves, there are not many singers who can do these special moves, cant even see janet do the robot dancing machine moonwalk, sidewalk, popping, spinning 6 times etc. Fans wanna see these individual trademark moves and this is what sets him apart from people who can only do choreography. biggrin.



Exactly.

He is, I would argue, one of the most talented dancers in modern popular music and entertainment. I am excluding professional dancers (i.e. backup dancers) because, of course, there are a number of professionals who are more adroit at their profession than Michael Jackson, Prince, etc.

But Michael Jackson is certainly up there with individuals like Sammy Davis and James Brown as the most talented dancer.
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