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PrintableNajee said: Rodya24 said: God no. That is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that both are on about the same level in singing, dancing, and musical skills.
Janet was dependent on Paula Abdul and her brother for dancing, for her sound on Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. And her stage performances -- even Madonna. Britney Spears is dependent on a host of people also. Except Janet Jackson did it BETTER, LONGER AND WITH MORE DEDICATION TO HER CRAFT. What part of that are you missing? I am not missing anything. I still think both are on about the same level as far as talent goes. Janet Jackson has been blessed in having the right people and for having the name Jackson (although right now that seems more like a curse than a blessing). | |
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Rodya24 said: sosgemini said: wait, so britney has talent but janet doesnt? please keep in mind that britney replicates janet on stage before you answer. God no. That is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that both are on about the same level in singing, dancing, and musical skills. Janet was dependent on Paula Abdul and her brother for dancing, for her sound on Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. And her stage performances -- even Madonna. Britney Spears is dependent on a host of people also. i have seen both madonna and janet live and i have never considered the two to have similar stage presence. and janet, for all her recent issues, has always been succesful for her talent...with all the other jackson solo artist flopping one has to consider that part of janet's success has to do with her own charisma... sorry, i just don't see the comparison...when folks think of janet they think of her first four albums (in addition to her being a jackson and nipplegate)...when folks think of britney they think of the mess that is her life. it's time for britney to pack it up and enjoy the millions she made because she has no credibility within the public eye...just look at all the blogs and all the media reports...sure janet got flack for nipplegate but its nowhere near the mess that britney has created for herself. look at all the headlines already...its tragic. Space for sale... | |
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sassybritches said: Lammastide said: My concern is over a real person who has feelings, hopes, vulnerability... and two children. Assuming she's sober, this has got to be one of the toughest nights of Britney's life. I've never been a fan, but this was just brutal. And that b*tch Sarah Silverman needs to learn when a joke is called for. Suggesting, while the very person is under the same roof, that someone has "done everything she's (ever) gonna do" is pretty strong. But going on to suggest that her two children are "mistakes" when she knows full well the type of stuff this woman has been going through lately is completely uncalled for.
And so I wonder what lesson Britney is supposed to get from this, and what mode of action she should take... Should she slough off the bad reviews, lose a few more pounds and forge ahead? Should she simply change her style? Should she drop out of the industry altogether and go the way of Denise Matthews? I dunno. It'll be interesting to see where she goes, and I hope she's got a good, positive network of support around her and actually uses it. [Edited 9/9/07 22:02pm] considering she has two kids yet chose to get in that outfit and degrade herself in that manner in the hopes of making a buck, i'd say britney has bigger problems than her career. she needs some serious guidance and some divine intervention. Well, that's sort of what I was suggesting. I hope she slows down, takes inventory and takes this moment of defeat to grow and not completely self-destruct. I worry, though, because she's not particularly known to take such cues. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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sassybritches said: purplesweat said: *sigh*
Apparently, MTV made her change the routine she had planned at the last minute. She also didn't want Sarah Silverman to say what she did, because she overhead her rehearsing those lines about her kids being mistakes. So to me, I'd say it's a mixture of nervousness, not being ready mentally, physically or rehearsed, upset because of the comments Silverman made, pissed off at MTV for changing it and just not feeling it in general.  sounds like a lot of excuses. Exactly...a lot of excuses!! I'm not buying the MTV made her change anything excuse either! If they did, a true professional would have said f**k it...and went out there and nailed it reguardless! Your girl Brit did not deliver at all! | |
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Rodya24 said: I am not missing anything. I still think both are on about the same level as far as talent goes. Janet Jackson has been blessed in having the right people and for having the name Jackson (although right now that seems more like a curse than a blessing).
No, because in spite of all that Janet Jackson has remained a viable player in the music industry. You can debate it all you want, but she does not live off the Jackson name and has not been known as "The Jacksons' baby sister" for nearly 20 years -- she's a major superstar in her own right. And keep in mind, she's been doing it in the same audience and musical niche based on youth appeal -- hell, when Janet made "Control" Britney Spears was in GRADE SCHOOL. And Janet STILL is considered a relevant artist with an audience basically young enough to be her children. In the end, what separates Jackson from Spears is DRIVE -- and Jackson doing what she does BETTER and LONGER than Spears. Jackson didn't live off her famous family's name; Spears wallowed in the mess she made her personal life and was consumed by the stardom. There is no contest. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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VonMarie said: sassybritches said: sounds like a lot of excuses. Exactly...a lot of excuses!! I'm not buying the MTV made her change anything excuse either! If they did, a true professional would have said f**k it...and went out there and nailed it reguardless! Your girl Brit did not deliver at all! the dance clip shown from the rehearsals was the same as tonight. they didn't make her change anything. and they shoulda made her change that wardrobe. | |
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sosgemini said: Rodya24 said: God no. That is not what I am arguing. I am arguing that both are on about the same level in singing, dancing, and musical skills. Janet was dependent on Paula Abdul and her brother for dancing, for her sound on Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. And her stage performances -- even Madonna. Britney Spears is dependent on a host of people also. i have seen both madonna and janet live and i have never considered the two to have similar stage presence. and janet, for all her recent issues, has always been succesful for her talent...with all the other jackson solo artist flopping one has to consider that part of janet's success has to do with her own charisma... sorry, i just don't see the comparison...when folks think of janet they think of her first four albums (in addition to her being a jackson and nipplegate)...when folks think of britney they think of the mess that is her life. it's time for britney to pack it up and enjoy the millions she made because she has no credibility within the public eye...just look at all the blogs and all the media reports...sure janet got flack for nipplegate but its nowhere near the mess that britney has created for herself. look at all the headlines already...its tragic. Except to my knowledge the other Jacksons (not talking about Micheal) did not have Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. But whatever. This thread is not about Janet Jackson. There are already countless threads devoted to her. | |
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Calligraphy said: Not a great performance, but not the dismal failure I'm hearing it called.
I respectfully disagree. I consider Britney's performance this evening to be a dismal failure on many levels, and in practically every way one could possibly define or look at it: first and foremost, it failed at being the successful, career resuscitating moment in the spotlight Britney - and her legitimate fans and true supporters - hoped it would be; it failed at entertaining in a positive, legitimate way, vs just being a sideshow drawing viewers hoping to witness the potential trainwreck aspect of it; it demonstrated failure on Britney's part in dedicating the time and self-sacrifice necessary to physically and artistically prepare herself for a such a crucial performance; and, most disgusting and shamefully, it showed the utter failure of many people (i.e. MTV, Sarah Silverman, audience members, the public at large) to display basic human compassion towards a fellow human being who clearly is struggling with complex and deep emotional issues. In my opinion, "failure" is an apt word indeed to describe tonight's performance. | |
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sassybritches said: VonMarie said: Exactly...a lot of excuses!! I'm not buying the MTV made her change anything excuse either! If they did, a true professional would have said f**k it...and went out there and nailed it reguardless! Your girl Brit did not deliver at all! the dance clip shown from the rehearsals was the same as tonight. they didn't make her change anything. it wasn't any better than the rehearsal either    | |
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Najee said: Rodya24 said: I am not missing anything. I still think both are on about the same level as far as talent goes. Janet Jackson has been blessed in having the right people and for having the name Jackson (although right now that seems more like a curse than a blessing).
No, because in spite of all that Janet Jackson has remained a viable player in the music industry. You can debate it all you want, but she does not live off the Jackson name and has not been known as "The Jacksons' baby sister" for nearly 20 years -- she's a major superstar in her own right. And keep in mind, she's been doing it in the same audience and musical niche based on youth appeal -- hell, when Janet made "Control" Britney Spears was in GRADE SCHOOL. And Janet STILL is considered a relevant artist with an audience basically young enough to be her children. In the end, what separates Jackson from Spears is DRIVE -- and Jackson doing what she does BETTER and LONGER than Spears. Jackson didn't live off her famous family's name; Spears wallowed in the mess she made her personal life and was consumed by the stardom. There is no contest. Yes, Janet Jackson has (or had depending on who one is talking to) more drive than Britney Spears. | |
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WillyWonka said: Calligraphy said: Not a great performance, but not the dismal failure I'm hearing it called.
I respectfully disagree. I consider Britney's performance this evening to be a dismal failure on many levels, and in practically every way one could possibly define or look at it: first and foremost, it failed at being the successful, career resuscitating moment in the spotlight Britney - and her legitimate fans and true supporters - hoped it would be; it failed at entertaining in a positive, legitimate way, vs just being a sideshow drawing viewers hoping to witness the potential trainwreck aspect of it; it demonstrated failure on Britney's part in dedicating the time and self-sacrifice necessary to physically and artistically prepare herself for a such a crucial performance; and, most disgusting and shamefully, it showed the utter failure of many people (i.e. MTV, Sarah Silverman, audience members, the public at large) to display basic human compassion towards a fellow human being who clearly is struggling with complex and deep emotional issues. In my opinion, "failure" is an apt word indeed to describe tonight's performance.  Well put. ok, SassyB I think this is what you meant? | |
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WillyWonka said: Calligraphy said: Not a great performance, but not the dismal failure I'm hearing it called.
I respectfully disagree. I consider Britney's performance this evening to be a dismal failure on many levels, and in practically every way one could possibly define or look at it: first and foremost, it failed at being the successful, career resuscitating moment in the spotlight Britney - and her legitimate fans and true supporters - hoped it would be; it failed at entertaining in a positive, legitimate way, vs just being a sideshow drawing viewers hoping to witness the potential trainwreck aspect of it; it demonstrated failure on Britney's part in dedicating the time and self-sacrifice necessary to physically and artistically prepare herself for a such a crucial performance; and, most disgusting and shamefully, it showed the utter failure of many people (i.e. MTV, Sarah Silverman, audience members, the public at large) to display basic human compassion towards a fellow human being who clearly is struggling with complex and deep emotional issues. In my opinion, "failure" is an apt word indeed to describe tonight's performance. Your comments make sense as well. I am sad to have seen this happen. I hope she pulls through. God, I cannot believe I am defending her; I do not even like her music like I used to a decade ago. | |
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WillyWonka said: Calligraphy said: Not a great performance, but not the dismal failure I'm hearing it called.
I respectfully disagree. I consider Britney's performance this evening to be a dismal failure on many levels, and in practically every way one could possibly define or look at it: first and foremost, it failed at being the successful, career resuscitating moment in the spotlight Britney - and her legitimate fans and true supporters - hoped it would be; it failed at entertaining in a positive, legitimate way, vs just being a sideshow drawing viewers hoping to witness the potential trainwreck aspect of it; it demonstrated failure on Britney's part in dedicating the time and self-sacrifice necessary to physically and artistically prepare herself for a such a crucial performance; and, most disgusting and shamefully, it showed the utter failure of many people (i.e. MTV, Sarah Silverman, audience members, the public at large) to display basic human compassion towards a fellow human being who clearly is struggling with complex and deep emotional issues. In my opinion, "failure" is an apt word indeed to describe tonight's performance. Very good. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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This performance and complete show, honestly depressed as I am an avid fan of musical culture. The state of it in America is, quite frankly dead. For once, "Justin Timberlake" was right about what he said. More music. Less bullshit. I sympathize and empathize for "Britney" and the public that had to endure this mockery (Including the extras that were paid to be in the audience for this preposterous event.). Nothing meaningful was accomplished. I'm moving away..... | |
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Cinnie said: WillyWonka said: I respectfully disagree. I consider Britney's performance this evening to be a dismal failure on many levels, and in practically every way one could possibly define or look at it: first and foremost, it failed at being the successful, career resuscitating moment in the spotlight Britney - and her legitimate fans and true supporters - hoped it would be; it failed at entertaining in a positive, legitimate way, vs just being a sideshow drawing viewers hoping to witness the potential trainwreck aspect of it; it demonstrated failure on Britney's part in dedicating the time and self-sacrifice necessary to physically and artistically prepare herself for a such a crucial performance; and, most disgusting and shamefully, it showed the utter failure of many people (i.e. MTV, Sarah Silverman, audience members, the public at large) to display basic human compassion towards a fellow human being who clearly is struggling with complex and deep emotional issues. In my opinion, "failure" is an apt word indeed to describe tonight's performance. Well put. ok, SassyB I think this is what you meant?pretty darn close | |
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FarrahMoan said: This performance and complete show, honestly depressed as I am an avid fan of musical culture. The state of it in America is, quite frankly dead. For once, "Justin Timberlake" was right about what he said. More music. Less bullshit. I sympathize and empathize for "Britney" and the public that had to endure this mockery (Including the extras that were paid to be in the audience for this preposterous event.). Nothing meaningful was accomplished. I'm moving away.....
I generally agree. Yet although Justin's sentiment was correct, he's quite the hypocrite. If his standard is musicianship over shananigans, his overrated butt would be on Kanye's upcoming CD, not that minstrel 50's. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: FarrahMoan said: This performance and complete show, honestly depressed as I am an avid fan of musical culture. The state of it in America is, quite frankly dead. For once, "Justin Timberlake" was right about what he said. More music. Less bullshit. I sympathize and empathize for "Britney" and the public that had to endure this mockery (Including the extras that were paid to be in the audience for this preposterous event.). Nothing meaningful was accomplished. I'm moving away.....
I generally agree. Yet although Justin's sentiment was correct, he's quite the hypocrite. If his standard is musicianship over shananigans, his overrated butt would be on Kanye's upcoming CD, not that minstrel 50's. Yeah, I kind of agree with you, there. I mean, he said that "Chris Brown" made him feel old. However, I wouldn't be so hard-pressed as to say that "Justin Timberlake" actually performed better than "Chris Brown", last night. He just looked like he forgot to sing his part of "Umberella" ("Cinderella"). He, and everyone else was a bit off, tonight (With the exception of "Cee-lo Greene", "Dave Grohl" and the guys. Gotta love their version of "Darling Nikki"). | |
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There are rumors already swirling that Chris whoever that magicians guy is, dumped her this afternoon and refused to do any of the magic tricks that they had planned. Britney was so heartbroken that she just couldn't get it together to give her 100% at the VMA's.
Lawdy, She's known him for what 2 weeks???  The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. |
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lazycrockett said: There are rumors already swirling that Chris whoever that magicians guy is, dumped her this afternoon and refused to do any of the magic tricks that they had planned. Britney was so heartbroken that she just couldn't get it together to give her 100% at the VMA's.
Lawdy, She's known him for what 2 weeks??? Um... I can't get past your sig.  Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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sassybritches said: Lammastide said: My concern is over a real person who has feelings, hopes, vulnerability... and two children. Assuming she's sober, this has got to be one of the toughest nights of Britney's life. I've never been a fan, but this was just brutal. And that b*tch Sarah Silverman needs to learn when a joke is called for. Suggesting, while the very person is under the same roof, that someone has "done everything she's (ever) gonna do" is pretty strong. But going on to suggest that her two children are "mistakes" when she knows full well the type of stuff this woman has been going through lately is completely uncalled for.
And so I wonder what lesson Britney is supposed to get from this, and what mode of action she should take... Should she slough off the bad reviews, lose a few more pounds and forge ahead? Should she simply change her style? Should she drop out of the industry altogether and go the way of Denise Matthews? I dunno. It'll be interesting to see where she goes, and I hope she's got a good, positive network of support around her and actually uses it. [Edited 9/9/07 22:02pm] considering she has two kids yet chose to get in that outfit and degrade herself in that manner in the hopes of making a buck, i'd say britney has bigger problems than her career. she needs some serious guidance and some divine intervention. alot of this blame on Jamie and Lynne Spears. Lynn for being an overbearing Stagemom who whored her daughter out to make money, and Jamie for just going along with it. Her mom worked tirelessly to get that family out of Kentwood. She maybe even a bit more controlling than Joesph. When her daughter rebeled we all saw it play out in the public light. I'm hoping Jamie-Lynn escaped the pressure cooker that was Jamie, Lynne and their older brother Brian. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: sassybritches said: considering she has two kids yet chose to get in that outfit and degrade herself in that manner in the hopes of making a buck, i'd say britney has bigger problems than her career. she needs some serious guidance and some divine intervention. alot of this blame on Jamie and Lynne Spears. Lynn for being an overbearing Stagemom who whored her daughter out to make money, and Jamie for just going along with it. Her mom worked tirelessly to get that family out of Kentwood. She maybe even a bit more controlling than Joesph. When her daughter rebeled we all saw it play out in the public light. I'm hoping Jamie-Lynn escaped the pressure cooker that was Jamie, Lynne and their older brother Brian. NO, there comes a time when the child who is now an adult stop blaming and putting eveything on the family unit that raised her. Brit is in her mid 20s and has 2 marriages and 2 kids under belt. Blaming the parents for her erratic behavior is moot. She's an adult, she obviously has issues and as an adult should be seeking out help. Maybe the parents didn't do a great job of raising they're child, but brit brit is an adult now and should take responsibility for herself. That being said the performance was shit and that is her own fault. No one else's. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. |
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lazycrockett said: ehuffnsd said: alot of this blame on Jamie and Lynne Spears. Lynn for being an overbearing Stagemom who whored her daughter out to make money, and Jamie for just going along with it. Her mom worked tirelessly to get that family out of Kentwood. She maybe even a bit more controlling than Joesph. When her daughter rebeled we all saw it play out in the public light. I'm hoping Jamie-Lynn escaped the pressure cooker that was Jamie, Lynne and their older brother Brian. NO, there comes a time when the child who is now an adult stop blaming and putting eveything on the family unit that raised her. Brit is in her mid 20s and has 2 marriages and 2 kids under belt. Blaming the parents for her erratic behavior is moot. She's an adult, she obviously has issues and as an adult should be seeking out help. Maybe the parents didn't do a great job of raising they're child, but brit brit is an adult now and should take responsibility for herself. That being said the performance was shit and that is her own fault. No one else's. Agreed. There comes a time when you absolutely have to save ENOUGH and be in charge of your own destiny.I was horrified by what I saw and wondered about Chris Angel - what happened? I just hope that she lays low and get her act together. I'm not a fan, but I would like to see her (and Amy Winehouse) get it together. To me one of the best things she could've done was rocked that short hair and let go of that press and stick hair.  God bless everyone. NO exceptions. | |
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nothing substantial, just going through the motions
and not doing a very good job of it it wasn't until chris brown's performance that the VMAs finally recovered from that debacle | |
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lazycrockett said: There are rumors already swirling that Chris whoever that magicians guy is, dumped her this afternoon and refused to do any of the magic tricks that they had planned. Britney was so heartbroken that she just couldn't get it together to give her 100% at the VMA's.
Lawdy, She's known him for what 2 weeks??? Another lame excuse! If this girl had real talent she wouldn't need a bunch of magic tricks to generate a great performance! | |
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seriously,were you guys expecting some amazing performance from Britney?
These days,Britney is nothing more than a media trainwreck.She gets more attention for the things she does offstage.Stick a fork in her,she's done. | |
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Lammastide said: lazycrockett said: There are rumors already swirling that Chris whoever that magicians guy is, dumped her this afternoon and refused to do any of the magic tricks that they had planned. Britney was so heartbroken that she just couldn't get it together to give her 100% at the VMA's.
Lawdy, She's known him for what 2 weeks??? Um... I can't get past your sig. I just read it too.. too funny!! | |
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Snap said: nothing substantial, just going through the motions
and not doing a very good job of it it wasn't until chris brown's performance that the VMAs finally recovered from that debacle RECOVERED!!!! Honey child, please! He didn't help. His performance confused me. He didn't do his part of "Umbrella", his dances were "MILDLY" (And I use that term loosely) exceptional. But, no where near as impressive as even I would have expected from "HIM". As you can tell, I'm not his biggest fan. | |
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