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the ones who dont come off as fake or trying to hard, example....teena marie, other white artists who always had an audience in the black community imo...hall&oats,george michael/wham, phil collins,michael mcdonald,madonna in the 80's,its a few more but imo they are all old school, i dont like these current white artists who make r&b music | |
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Riverpoet31 said: The claim that 'white' people cant sing 'soul' is IMO a weird sign of black people claiming that 'soul' is a black thing.
Bullshit.. Soul is the key element of music. I am 'white' myselve and against any form of racism, but sometimes i have the feeling that some 'black' people are using the 'soul thing' as a form of powerplay. As a device to 'pay back' white musicians. Utterly nonsense of course. Let me start by saying that about 90 percent of the 'so called' modern, black R&B artists dont operate from the soul. Its mostly tiresome, formualic songs full of guys bragging how 'gangsta' they are, or women claiming to be a 'bitch'. Thats no soul, its desperation. Musicians like Sly, Aretha, Otis and Marvin in their primes were way beyond that. As i said, soul is a key-element of music, and i hear soul in the music of ladies like June Tabor and Susan McKeown singing centuries old folk ballads, i hear soul throughout the long career of Van Morrison, i hear soul in the excentric exercitions of Bjork, i hear soul in a country-crooner like Lyle Lovett, or a indie-rocker like Bill Janovitz (Buffalo Tom) The truth is: i dont hear a lot of soul (understatement) in the music of contemporary, black R&B-musicians. Its all bling, bling, plastic, all attitude, no real substance. And there lays my main problem: black people are still hyacking the word 'soul', when the truth is most black artist nowadays are delivering music that has nothing to do with SOUL in its purest sense. I know, i will probably labelled a racist because of my words, it will lead to flames, but the simple truth is: black musicians are losing any sense of what 'soul' really is. Most ignorant post ever. Full of stereotypes and cliches. When you don't know shit about black people and soul music, please SHUT THE FUCK UP. [Edited 7/28/07 8:47am] |
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"'white' people cant sing 'soul' "
Who said this. If you look at the post about two dozen blue-eyed soul artist were named. Some people perform "soul music and some artist sing "soulful" but they are not performing "soul music. Black pass is for "Blue-Eyed soul artist. White people singing RnB music and doing a great job. ----- Riverpoet31 said: The claim that 'white' people cant sing 'soul' is IMO a weird sign of black people claiming that 'soul' is a black thing.
Bullshit.. Soul is the key element of music. I am 'white' myselve and against any form of racism, but sometimes i have the feeling that some 'black' people are using the 'soul thing' as a form of powerplay. As a device to 'pay back' white musicians. Utterly nonsense of course. Let me start by saying that about 90 percent of the 'so called' modern, black R&B artists dont operate from the soul. Its mostly tiresome, formualic songs full of guys bragging how 'gangsta' they are, or women claiming to be a 'bitch'. Thats no soul, its desperation. Musicians like Sly, Aretha, Otis and Marvin in their primes were way beyond that. As i said, soul is a key-element of music, and i hear soul in the music of ladies like June Tabor and Susan McKeown singing centuries old folk ballads, i hear soul throughout the long career of Van Morrison, i hear soul in the excentric exercitions of Bjork, i hear soul in a country-crooner like Lyle Lovett, or a indie-rocker like Bill Janovitz (Buffalo Tom) The truth is: i dont hear a lot of soul (understatement) in the music of contemporary, black R&B-musicians. Its all bling, bling, plastic, all attitude, no real substance. And there lays my main problem: black people are still hyacking the word 'soul', when the truth is most black artist nowadays are delivering music that has nothing to do with SOUL in its purest sense. I know, i will probably labelled a racist because of my words, it will lead to flames, but the simple truth is: black musicians are losing any sense of what 'soul' really is. | |
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QuakeXLE said: I was reading thru another thread and some one sarcastically asked this question to another poster who had suggested that white singers can't do 'naturally' sounding soulful music. His claim was that the only one he could name was Teena Marie.
I dis-agree with that assumption and wondered what other 'white' artist do peeps here think can sound just as soulful as any black artist and maybe even better than most. A fav of mine is Nikka Costa. 
IMO opinion she is about as funky and souful as a singer can be. There is nothing forced or studio driven in her delivery... just pure soul and funk! You probably talk about me. 
Anyway. I never claimed that the only one I could name was Teena Marie. But if you want to talk about white artists that sound soulful, try to bring REAL GREAT examples. Because if you think Nikka Costa is just as soulful as any black artist and maybe even better that's VERY disrespectful to black artists. That's why we see now artists like Robin Thicke getting more credits than black singers who are WAY more talented. This is why we see the Amy Winhesouse and Joss Stone crowned queen of soul singers. Sometimes I regret the good old 90's when the market was full of REAL black singers band like the Boyz 2 men, En Vogue, Jodeci, Dru Hill, Brownstone, SWV, Portrait, Mint Condition, xscape, H-Town etc People that could KILL IT on stage accapella... And your Nikka Costa don't even come close.... All those manufactured bands would put to water all your so called "white artists that can sound just as soulful as any black artist" [Edited 8/2/07 11:36am] |
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Daryl Hall George Michael Bono (Not because of his music, but because of his heart). Daryl Hall and the slow jams of Hall & Oates  ...and when George Micheal is concentrated and focused in concert he can sing his little gay Greek-British booty OFF !!! Jus a very wonderful and soulful performer... | |
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QuakeXLE said: I was reading thru another thread and some one sarcastically asked this question to another poster who had suggested that white singers can't do 'naturally' sounding soulful music. His claim was that the only one he could name was Teena Marie.
I dis-agree with that assumption and wondered what other 'white' artist do peeps here think can sound just as soulful as any black artist and maybe even better than most. A fav of mine is Nikka Costa.
IMO opinion she is about as funky and souful as a singer can be. There is nothing forced or studio driven in her delivery... just pure soul and funk! That's MA GURRRRL.  | |
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laurarichardson said: Black pass is for "Blue-Eyed soul artist. White people singing RnB music and doing a great job. ----- yes, I was a little annoyed at this thread until you pointed out that it's actual purpose is to celebrate blue eyed soul! It's not about "There are No Good White Soul Singers!" My Legacy
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Riverpoet31 said: The claim that 'white' people cant sing 'soul' is IMO a weird sign of black people claiming that 'soul' is a black thing.
Bullshit.. Soul is the key element of music. I am 'white' myselve and against any form of racism, but sometimes i have the feeling that some 'black' people are using the 'soul thing' as a form of powerplay. As a device to 'pay back' white musicians. Utterly nonsense of course. Let me start by saying that about 90 percent of the 'so called' modern, black R&B artists dont operate from the soul. Its mostly tiresome, formualic songs full of guys bragging how 'gangsta' they are, or women claiming to be a 'bitch'. Thats no soul, its desperation. Musicians like Sly, Aretha, Otis and Marvin in their primes were way beyond that. As i said, soul is a key-element of music, and i hear soul in the music of ladies like June Tabor and Susan McKeown singing centuries old folk ballads, i hear soul throughout the long career of Van Morrison, i hear soul in the excentric exercitions of Bjork, i hear soul in a country-crooner like Lyle Lovett, or a indie-rocker like Bill Janovitz (Buffalo Tom) The truth is: i dont hear a lot of soul (understatement) in the music of contemporary, black R&B-musicians. Its all bling, bling, plastic, all attitude, no real substance. And there lays my main problem: black people are still hyacking the word 'soul', when the truth is most black artist nowadays are delivering music that has nothing to do with SOUL in its purest sense. I know, i will probably labelled a racist because of my words, it will lead to flames, but the simple truth is: black musicians are losing any sense of what 'soul' really is. Once again Riverpoet...spoken like a TRUE racist!!! BRAVO!!! | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: A good number of otherwise well-intended threads in this forum devolve into pointless back-and-forths (I say pointless, as they rarely lead to any understanding one way or the other) that could just as easily be handled privately between members in Org notes. I won't even call them discussions or debates, because they tend to involve any number of parties who refuse to back down from their opinions and it doesn't lead to anything productive.
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krayzie said: That's why we see now artists like Robin Thicke getting more credits than black singers who are WAY more talented. This is why we see the Amy Winhesouse and Joss Stone crowned queen of soul singers.
Sometimes I regret the good old 90's when the market was full of REAL black singers band like the Boyz 2 men, En Vogue, Jodeci, Dru Hill, Brownstone, SWV, Portrait, Mint Condition, xscape, H-Town etc If Maxwell actually released an album these days, he'd be getting as much (if not more) exposure than Robin Thicke. Amy Winehouse's sound is a modern reworking of the 1960s Motown, Brill Building and Spector girl groups. I hear no other performer (white or black) whom is performing or writing this kind of material. Joss Stone is also on a retro tip. Whereas most neo-soul mines the mid to late seventies for its inspiration, Joss Stone's songs are structured and produced like the pop-soul from the late sixties. As for the other artists you've mentioned, they all began to sound identical and interchangeable towards the end of the nineties - stuck in a New Jack Swing rut of repetitive beats. S.W.V., Jade, Brownstone - I mean really... what differentiated these acts from each other? There are black artists whom still have no peer at the moment in terms of creativity and originality: Me'Shell NdegéoCello; Andre 3000; Prince (of course)... But the white artists you've singled out are offering something which isn't currently being offered by a comparable black act - and that is why they are popular. | |
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Justin1972UK said: If Maxwell actually released an album these days, he'd be getting as much (if not more) exposure than Robin Thicke.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah right...
Robin Thicke hit Platinum.... I repeat PLATINUM !!!!! We are in 2007. How many black R&b artists can hit the platinum status ? But if he was white, now I'm sure he would have more exposure than Robin thicke. Justin1972UK said: Amy Winehouse's sound is a modern reworking of the 1960s Motown, Brill Building and Spector girl groups. I hear no other performer (white or black) whom is performing or writing this kind of material. A lot of artists from the Indie scene do this kind of music... 60s Motown is still heavily sampled by many hip hop and neo soul artists. What Amy Winhouse is doing ain't original or great at all. You talk like your Amy Winehouse was doing something extraordinary. Justin1972UK said: Joss Stone is also on a retro tip. Whereas most neo-soul mines the mid to late seventies for its inspiration, Joss Stone's songs are structured and produced like the pop-soul from the late sixties.
Joss Stone brings nothing new. All she did was only hiring a black producer Raphael Saadiq to sound more black. And I'm glad she miserabily failed in the charts. But I repeat again, if she was black, people would say "she just another Neo Soul artist, making the same kind of music." Oh well... Justin1972UK said: As for the other artists you've mentioned, they all began to sound identical and interchangeable towards the end of the nineties - stuck in a New Jack Swing rut of repetitive beats. S.W.V., Jade, Brownstone - I mean really... what differentiated these acts from each other?
I'm talking about SINGING, not music. Anybody can make good music with a good producer behind you. I'm talking about vocal skills. Take off the Music. And Listen to their voices acapella. All the manufactured r&b groups of the 90's SHIT ALL OVER YOUR WHITE ARTISTS VOCALLY. THEY SHIT ON AMY WINEHOUSE, THEY SHIT ON JOSS STONE. THEY SHIT ON ROBIN THICKE. When it comes to singing, your White artists don't EVEN come close. If they are so talented I want your Joss Stone your Amy Winehouse your Robin Thicke to OUT PEFRFORM ALL the manufactured r&b bands, I repeat ALL OF THEM : http://www.youtube.com/wa...NoQC0Bo4gU http://www.youtube.com/wa...7GrdIV5GS0 http://www.youtube.com/wa...rBnEaQd4ZY http://www.youtube.com/wa...extSOY49mg etc... If they can't, that means they are overrated because they are white. Justin1972UK said: There are black artists whom still have no peer at the moment in terms of creativity and originality: Me'Shell NdegéoCello; Andre 3000; Prince (of course)... But the white artists you've singled out are offering something which isn't currently being offered by a comparable black act - and that is why they are popular. The only thing that your White artists offer is being white. And that's why they are so popular... Artistically they bring nothing new or great. Have you listened to Van hunt ? Chrisette Michelle ? Bilal ? Raheem DeVaughn ? Dwele ? Donnie ? Or Kevin Michael ? etc If being different was the only really reason why your "so talented" white artists sell, tell me why artists like Chrisette Michelle don't ??? |
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thank you krayzie! It's nice to finally meet someone who thinks amy winehouse is overrated with a horrible voice! I don't know why everyone is falling for her, I just don't see what's so special about her | |
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Look, I don't really give a shit about this question anymore. Black people have a right to listen to whatever kind of music they want to by any artist of any color. I am one of those and that's how I approach music. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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"The only thing that your White artists offer is being white. And that's why they are so popular... Artistically they bring nothing new or great."
----- That is really bigoted. Take a artist like Teena Marie great singer and songwriter. She brough a lot to the RnB table. So your comments are out of line with reality. I could go on all day naming artist. Maybe RnB artist should try performing real RnB music before they get bitter about a white artist getting more play. If you bring it people are going to support you. krayzie said: Justin1972UK said: If Maxwell actually released an album these days, he'd be getting as much (if not more) exposure than Robin Thicke.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah right...
Robin Thicke hit Platinum.... I repeat PLATINUM !!!!! We are in 2007. How many black R&b artists can hit the platinum status ? But if he was white, now I'm sure he would have more exposure than Robin thicke. I'm talking about SINGING, not music. Anybody can make good music with a good producer behind you. I'm talking about vocal skills. Take off the Music. And Listen to their voices acapella. All the manufactured r&b groups of the 90's SHIT ALL OVER YOUR WHITE ARTISTS VOCALLY. THEY SHIT ON AMY WINEHOUSE, THEY SHIT ON JOSS STONE. THEY SHIT ON ROBIN THICKE. When it comes to singing, your White artists don't EVEN come close. If they are so talented I want your Joss Stone your Amy Winehouse your Robin Thicke to OUT PEFRFORM ALL the manufactured r&b bands, I repeat ALL OF THEM : http://www.youtube.com/wa...NoQC0Bo4gU http://www.youtube.com/wa...7GrdIV5GS0 http://www.youtube.com/wa...rBnEaQd4ZY http://www.youtube.com/wa...extSOY49mg etc... If they can't, that means they are overrated because they are white. Justin1972UK said: There are black artists whom still have no peer at the moment in terms of creativity and originality: Me'Shell NdegéoCello; Andre 3000; Prince (of course)... But the white artists you've singled out are offering something which isn't currently being offered by a comparable black act - and that is why they are popular. The only thing that your White artists offer is being white. And that's why they are so popular... Artistically they bring nothing new or great. Have you listened to Van hunt ? Chrisette Michelle ? Bilal ? Raheem DeVaughn ? Dwele ? Donnie ? Or Kevin Michael ? etc If being different was the only really reason why your "so talented" white artists sell, tell me why artists like Chrisette Michelle don't ??? | |
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What is Soul music? Soul music is a "feeling, emotions, passions" that comes from deep within one's "soul" , When you put words to a song and sing it with strong passion/emotions you are giving your "all" to the point where your voice and words of the song can touch the "soul" or the emotions of another - whether it's gospel, r&b, pop, blues. For example..Take the song "And I Am Telling You" from "Dreamgirls" as an example of a song sung with pure passion and emotion to the point where it gives some chills because they "feel the words, passion and emotions" of the song".. in their "Soul".
I guess the term "Soul music" has been more associated with the Black community because of the Black community's strong history associated with gospel/spirituals/blues music, which is sung with a lot of emotion and passion, and apparently those emotions/passions flowed into the different categories of music sung or played by Black musicians and even non-Black musicians from yesterday and today, whether it's R&B, rock, folk, blues, pop, smooth r&b, smooth jazz, etc. Someone mentioned Teena Marie...definitely sings with "emotion/passion" so she doesn't get a "black pass" she gets a "soul pass"..if you will. Soul is like making your best meal and putting your best ingredients in it while having everyone come back for more....well, that's just my 2 cents and change. [Edited 8/3/07 12:13pm] | |
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laurarichardson said: "The only thing that your White artists offer is being white. And that's why they are so popular... Artistically they bring nothing new or great."
----- That is really bigoted. Take a artist like Teena Marie great singer and songwriter. She brough a lot to the RnB table. So your comments are out of line with reality. I could go on all day naming artist. I'm right. Teena Marie did a pretty good career in the 80's, but artistically she brought nothing new or great to the game. laurarichardson said: Maybe RnB artist should try performing real RnB music before they get bitter about a white artist getting more play.
If you bring it people are going to support you. Historically white artists have always sold more than black artists. Eminem sold more than any other black rappers. Elvis sell more than Jackie Wilson. Do you believe that's because of talent ? |
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krayzie said: Historically white artists have always sold more than black artists. Eminem sold more than any other black rappers. Elvis sell more than Jackie Wilson. Do you believe that's because of talent ? Yes, white kids buy more rap music today than black kids, doesn't mean that just because a famous black artist doesn't sell more than a white artist that it's because of lack of talent;a lot of that has to do with economics especially if we are comparing youths from various races and economic backgrounds, not to mention that not all whites accept various types of music from black artists, as well as black people not accepting various types of music from white/or other artists. Doesn't mean either is talentless, just different strokes for different folks. Eminem being a white guy that raps in an art that is dominated mainly by black artists, was a new thing for a lot of white and black youth at the early part of Eminem's career, so his popularity because of that, can explain why he did so well during that time. Krayzie said: Historically white artists have always sold more than black artists. Eminem sold more than any other black rappers. Elvis sell more than Jackie Wilson.
Elvis vs Jackie Wilson ?? Look at the time period that was. Those were very racist times back then and not too many white households allowed their children to buy or bring black artists' music in their households;not to mention they still had Jim Crow and segregation, which was less than 75 years ago amd economics/many job opportunities weren't at their greatest for black people back then. Not too many black households were into Elvis at the time either. Today things are different. [Edited 8/3/07 19:01pm] | |
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NWF said: Look, I don't really give a shit about this question anymore. Black people have a right to listen to whatever kind of music they want to by any artist of any color. I am one of those and that's how I approach music.
 and Amen!"Funkyslsistah… you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude"!
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Probably the same number of black artists I'd give a "white" pass to I guess.  | |
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They should lock this thread. Its all racist. | |
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krayzie said: Have you listened to Van hunt ? Chrisette Michelle ? Bilal ? Raheem DeVaughn ? Dwele ? Donnie ? Or Kevin Michael ? etc
I've heard Van Hunt, Chrisette Michelle and Donnie. Van Hunt is good. I listened to Chrisette Michelle the other week. It was a link from this forum. She was performing some of her songs live. I just really wasn't impressed with the songs. She was great - but her songs were deadly boring. krayzie said: If being different was the only really reason why your "so talented" white artists sell, tell me why artists like Chrisette Michelle don't ???
My "white artists"??? I'm not their fucking manager! | |
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Historically white artists have always sold more than black artists. Eminem sold more than any other black rappers. Elvis sell more than Jackie Wilson. Do you believe that's because of talent ?[/quote]" Because there are more white people in the U.S than black. It does not mean that none of the Blue-Eyed soul singers were not talented. Did they get over because they white. It helped them but, if they suck at singing soul music no one would have purchased their music black or white. I don't have anything else to say to you since you don't think Teena Marie brought anything to table. Black artist today need go back to singing and ditch the rapping or talking or whatever the hell they are trying to do. Very few black artist are soulful now days. ----- krayzie said: laurarichardson said: "The only thing that your White artists offer is being white. And that's why they are so popular... Artistically they bring nothing new or great."
----- That is really bigoted. Take a artist like Teena Marie great singer and songwriter. She brough a lot to the RnB table. So your comments are out of line with reality. I could go on all day naming artist. I'm right. Teena Marie did a pretty good career in the 80's, but artistically she brought nothing new or great to the game. laurarichardson said: Maybe RnB artist should try performing real RnB music before they get bitter about a white artist getting more play.
If you bring it people are going to support you. Historically white artists have always sold more than black artists. Eminem sold more than any other black rappers. Elvis sell more than Jackie Wilson. Do you believe that's because of talent ? | |
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