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Reply #30 posted 12/25/06 11:14am

SammiJ

SERIOUSLY!!! doh!
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Reply #31 posted 12/25/06 11:41am

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It is, the origins of hip hop came from the ghetto in the early 70s of new York. It was more than music it was a subculture such as grafitti, breaking and the fashions.
But still rap goes back to jive talk of the 30s, is in doo wop songs of the 50s(In those days gangs tried to out wop each other, by improvising doo wop lyrics on the spot, the losers got wopped!!!
And before that you have the rap speaking of West African Griots, bought across in the slavery days. Also Hip hop was a response to the bleak and marginalised experiences that many innner city African Americans had to go through.
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Reply #32 posted 12/25/06 11:51am

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Anx said:


Yeah, Bizarro World...



...Seems as if there are many residents present.


There should be an annual...



...Mr. Mxyzptlk award. confused


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Reply #33 posted 12/25/06 12:38pm

MrHappyRave4

Rhondab said:

KingKrazy said:

man, why waste time replying, once dude said i am not racist he is clearly about to make an ignorant and racist statement



lol


Are you upset becuase what I said is the truth?


Let me tell you something, I have dated just about every race under the sun, and half my relationships have been with people that I am different from, ethnically speaking (I say "people that I am different from, not people who are different from me, to put a different perspective on it.)
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Reply #34 posted 12/25/06 12:40pm

MrHappyRave4

tane1976 said:

It is, the origins of hip hop came from the ghetto in the early 70s of new York. It was more than music it was a subculture such as grafitti, breaking and the fashions.
But still rap goes back to jive talk of the 30s, is in doo wop songs of the 50s(In those days gangs tried to out wop each other, by improvising doo wop lyrics on the spot, the losers got wopped!!!
And before that you have the rap speaking of West African Griots, bought across in the slavery days. Also Hip hop was a response to the bleak and marginalised experiences that many innner city African Americans had to go through.


and before all this came patter songs, and the music of the lyre, which came along in the days 200 years before slavery.
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Reply #35 posted 12/25/06 12:41pm

MrHappyRave4

MrHappyRave4 said:

Rhondab said:




lol


Are you upset becuase what I said is the truth?


Let me tell you something, I have dated just about every race under the sun, and half my relationships have been with people that I am different from, ethnically speaking (I say "people that I am different from, not people who are different from me, to put a different perspective on it.)
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Reply #36 posted 12/25/06 12:41pm

SammiJ

MrHappyRave4 said:

Rhondab said:




lol


Are you upset becuase what I said is the truth?


Let me tell you something, I have dated just about every race under the sun, and half my relationships have been with people that I am different from, ethnically speaking (I say "people that I am different from, not people who are different from me, to put a different perspective on it.)

listen, why not try and argue every single VALID point that was brought up in this thread instead of claiming to date every race under the sun - that doesn't mean anything.
you started the thread, now it's time to try and prove your point, cuz you're just looking like an ass right now.
mktnx.
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Reply #37 posted 12/25/06 12:43pm

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MikeMatronik said:

TonyVanDam said:



Screw THAT! Deborah Harry & Teena Marie invented!
lol


La Toya did it first! cool


That's BULL!!! MF-ing ABBA did it before LaToya. Don't believe me?:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...gl0mwaCf7g


lol lol lol
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Reply #38 posted 12/25/06 12:43pm

MrHappyRave4

Stymie said:[quote]

MrHappyRave4 said:

I am not being racist by saying this, I am just stating the truth. Hip hop needs rock and other influences to survive, in fact.

Take one of the most popular and influential hip-hop songs ever created, "Planet Rock" - it owes its existance to a Kraftwerk song. Then, there's the most famous of all, "Walk This Way", which was originally written by Aerosmith.

At best, music is and should be color blind.
Where do you think Kraftwerk got their sound from?

Please don't tell me the usual "white people ripped it off response", cuz that's too played.
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Reply #39 posted 12/25/06 12:45pm

MrHappyRave4

VoicesCarry said:

And Elvis and Pat Boone only sang white songs. Yeah, I believe you... lol


Kinda my point - white people take from black music, and black people take from latin music, and so on and so forth. And it all originates from God - what color is God?
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Reply #40 posted 12/25/06 12:45pm

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Reply #41 posted 12/25/06 12:52pm

TonyVanDam

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MrHappyRave4 said:

Rhondab said:




lol


Are you upset becuase what I said is the truth?


Let me tell you something, I have dated just about every race under the sun, and half my relationships have been with people that I am different from, ethnically speaking (I say "people that I am different from, not people who are different from me, to put a different perspective on it.)


Some of us aren't accusing you for being racist. We're accusing you for being uneducated about a very important lesson in music history in general.
disbelief

KingKrazy was very right will what he said on this one.
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Reply #42 posted 12/25/06 12:57pm

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VoicesCarry said:


lol
There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently
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Reply #43 posted 12/25/06 12:59pm

Stymie

VoicesCarry said:

hug
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Reply #44 posted 12/25/06 1:19pm

SammiJ

MrHappyRave4 said:

VoicesCarry said:

And Elvis and Pat Boone only sang white songs. Yeah, I believe you... lol


Kinda my point - white people take from black music, and black people take from latin music, and so on and so forth. And it all originates from God - what color is God?

oh COME on!
let's lock this thing up now, mmk?
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Reply #45 posted 12/25/06 2:50pm

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MrHappyRave4 said:

I am not being racist by saying this, I am just stating the truth. Hip hop needs rock and other influences to survive, in fact.

Take one of the most popular and influential hip-hop songs ever created, "Planet Rock" - it owes its existance to a Kraftwerk song. Then, there's the most famous of all, "Walk This Way", which was originally written by Aerosmith.

At best, music is and should be color blind.


confuse
disbelief
lol man you reaaaally are reach'n with this.
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Reply #46 posted 12/25/06 7:57pm

Rhondab

TonyVanDam said:

MrHappyRave4 said:



Are you upset becuase what I said is the truth?


Let me tell you something, I have dated just about every race under the sun, and half my relationships have been with people that I am different from, ethnically speaking (I say "people that I am different from, not people who are different from me, to put a different perspective on it.)


Some of us aren't accusing you for being racist. We're accusing you for being uneducated about a very important lesson in music history in general.
disbelief

KingKrazy was very right will what he said on this one.


nod enuff said.
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Reply #47 posted 12/25/06 8:09pm

Rhondab

MrHappyRave4 said:

VoicesCarry said:

And Elvis and Pat Boone only sang white songs. Yeah, I believe you... lol


Kinda my point - white people take from black music, and black people take from latin music, and so on and so forth. And it all originates from God - what color is God?


eek so you're argument is what exactly? Pat Boone didn't simply borrow a cord or two. He STOLE from black artists....do you not remember "race records"?

It does all originate from God but God first placed the vision in a people so give credit to those God blessed with the vision. Black and Latin kids from the Bronx doin' the damn thing...lol
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Reply #48 posted 12/25/06 8:15pm

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this guy is just confused. he fails to understand that rock grew mostly out of gospel, blues, and jazz... so even if hip hop took some from tings from rock... rock got it from 'black' music.

look at Led Zeppelin... most of their sound is directly influenced from the like of willy Dixon and his contemporaries.
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Reply #49 posted 12/25/06 8:18pm

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SlamGlam said:

this guy is just confused. he fails to understand that rock grew mostly out of gospel, blues, and jazz... so even if hip hop took some from tings from rock... rock got it from 'black' music.

look at Led Zeppelin... most of their sound is directly influenced from the like of willy Dixon and his contemporaries.


I don't think he's confused at all. I think he's saying whatever comes to mind as the best way to get under people's skin, and it seems to be working. Don't take the bait...
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Reply #50 posted 12/25/06 8:22pm

CinisterCee

I think he sounds like a total cock. shrug
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Reply #51 posted 12/25/06 8:24pm

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yeah ... but it is weird i have not thought about this for ages. (i took a class on the history of music 10 or so years ago)

i wonder how well i would do my final exam today? (i got a high A it was a essay, the prof was freaked out that i wrote so much. i said it was just the important things)
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Reply #52 posted 12/25/06 8:28pm

murph

MrHappyRave4 said:

I am not being racist by saying this, I am just stating the truth. Hip hop needs rock and other influences to survive, in fact.

Take one of the most popular and influential hip-hop songs ever created, "Planet Rock" - it owes its existance to a Kraftwerk song. Then, there's the most famous of all, "Walk This Way", which was originally written by Aerosmith.

At best, music is and should be color blind.




Just a ridiculous statement...
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Reply #53 posted 12/25/06 8:36pm

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funny he mentioned Aerosmith... Aerosmith... one of the prime examples of a bunch of white guys full out ripping off black artists. research them and their influences.
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Reply #54 posted 12/25/06 10:17pm

MrHappyRave4

SlamGlam said:

this guy is just confused. he fails to understand that rock grew mostly out of gospel, blues, and jazz... so even if hip hop took some from tings from rock... rock got it from 'black' music.

look at Led Zeppelin... most of their sound is directly influenced from the like of willy Dixon and his contemporaries.


Like I said before...white got it from black, and black got it from latin, and so on and so forth...ya'll really ain't listenin'. And for all ya'll know, I could be black. Has that ever crossed your minds, folks?
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Reply #55 posted 12/25/06 10:24pm

MrHappyRave4

SammiJ said:

MrHappyRave4 said:



Are you upset becuase what I said is the truth?


Let me tell you something, I have dated just about every race under the sun, and half my relationships have been with people that I am different from, ethnically speaking (I say "people that I am different from, not people who are different from me, to put a different perspective on it.)

listen, why not try and argue every single VALID point that was brought up in this thread instead of claiming to date every race under the sun - that doesn't mean anything.
you started the thread, now it's time to try and prove your point, cuz you're just looking like an ass right now.
mktnx.


Gosh, ya'll mofo's need to get a life. I say one thing like this about hip hop music (and I still claim it's a rip off of other styles). Well, now I'm gonna add to it, and see how much more offended you get. Hip hop music is homophobic - just ask the poor fellows who got in the middle of Pink Sunday's happenings during SF Gay Pride this year. A gang of hip-hop thug girls beat up a drag queen just for being a drag queen, and it only escalated from there. And to top it off, I heard someone reference a 50-Cent line as a justification.

Need I say more?
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Reply #56 posted 12/25/06 10:59pm

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no, you need'nt say anymore; thank you
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Reply #57 posted 12/25/06 11:27pm

MrHappyRave4

Good, glad that ya'll are starting to see that I'm right.

See, I love yanking the chains of people who chat online, and saying things that I know will flip them out.

And ya'll bought into that one hook, line and sinker.

If you tell me I have no life for doing it, consider this fact: You have no life, too. After all, you responded to my comment.

And I still can't stand hip hop music, for it is sucking all the fun out of the room.
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Reply #58 posted 12/26/06 4:00am

Anx

MrHappyRave4 said:

Good, glad that ya'll are starting to see that I'm right.

See, I love yanking the chains of people who chat online, and saying things that I know will flip them out.

And ya'll bought into that one hook, line and sinker.

If you tell me I have no life for doing it, consider this fact: You have no life, too. After all, you responded to my comment.

And I still can't stand hip hop music, for it is sucking all the fun out of the room.


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Reply #59 posted 12/26/06 4:02am

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