Why must they sample everything?
ONly 2 songs I just knew they wouldn't , shouldn't and couldn't touch
and that are the songs --I Call Your Name, by the group Switch,
which people keep saying that is El Debarge singing and it's really
his older brother, Bobby. The other song is PRince's ADORE, why
must they sample and remix everything?

Maybe I shoud be mad at the artist for giving them the permission to
sample in the first place.


No creativity at all.
Sampling should have been banned after the "king of sampling" P-Diddy
sampled all of the best songs out there.

Now I can never listen to my favorite song "I Call Your Name " the same
ever again, my ears have been traumatized.

Please Prince don't let anyone
touch, sample or remix the song--Adore!!



I feel much better now.

It's really a tricky thing. Everyone should get their due copyrightwise, but sampling is an art. There's a huge difference in the way a Madlib, Premier or (RIP) J Dilla rocks a sample and the way hit-pop producers do it. Artists like the former group really reinvent it, much like jazz artists did with pop standards in their heyday. Artists in the latter group simply steal a song and pantomime over it.

namepeace said:

I see your point. But can you really say that "I Call Your Name" should've
been touched? Can you hear someone rapping to the beat of ADORE ?

This is what I mean,

"Lean with it! Now Lean with it! and the background music-singing "Until the end of time
I be there for you."
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RosesRred said:

Put it in Dilla's, Doom's, Madlib's, ?uestlove's or Premier's capable hands, you may be surprised. For example, the cat that did the Prince/Jay-Z mashup a coupla years back totally freaked a "Sign O' The Times" sample,

You're right though, in the wrong hands, criminal behavior ensues.

P-Diddy know he royally fucked up when took over Grandmaster Flashes "The Message". I d rather hear the fucking orginal rap song which sound better than the BULLSHIT ASS Nobody can hold me down.

I dont know who did this, but I heard someone sample FUNKADELIC's "I'll Stay" in their song...

i feel what your talking about rosesrred. i heard the beging of that cut and was singing along in my car and then that messed up rap came next and i almost crashed my car. that is a song that should never be sampled for a rap song. i think teh name of the song is i'm gonna get me a caddilac.

RosesRred said:

Sampling is one of the main reasons I hate rap.... They don't have musical ability or creativity required to make their own music... It's far easier to simply steal from others... Now they are starting to sample samples! The worst part is... These kids don't know the original songs.... They think they're fav rapper come up with "fresh beats" intstead of them regurgitating something 10 or 15 years old!

I sampled Switch.

sdekm1 said:

THE BIGGEST LIE OF ALL TIME

KingKrazy said:

CO SIGN

What part is a lie?

sdekm1 said:

Everything after "Sampling is one of the main reasons I hate rap". That part is probably true.

CinisterCee said:

I was hoping for a more thoughtful and informed response. Name me some well known mainstream rappers, who are masterful musicians and don't use ANY SAMPLES... I doubt there's many.... And even if there were, It doesn't make my statements LIES.... Just "incorrect" or maybe "Uninformed".

RosesRred said:

You could always pistol whip the Mother Fuckers.

I enjoyed most of the remarks here, I have to admit there are some sampled
raps out there I did enjoy listening to, but at the same time I have to
agree a whole lot with Sdekm1.

Sdekm1 said,

[/quote]
Sampling is one of the main reasons I hate rap.... They don't have musical ability or creativity required to make their own music... It's far easier to simply steal from others... Now they are starting to sample samples! The worst part is... These kids don't know the original songs.... They think they're fav rapper come up with "fresh beats" intstead of them regurgitating something 10 or 15 years old![/quote



Ladyfunkesoldier, that's exactly what happened
to me, riding in the car thinking my radio station was going to play my
favorite OLD school Jam and the rest is history. I thought I was mad about
it, but I guess I am not as mad as Angela 74 LoveAlive and Namepeace
I have to check out those jams, some of them I don't recall, Namepeace, knows
their Old school music. DeeJay?

Sdekmi, I like the question you asked,

"Name me some well known mainstream rappers, who are masterful musicians and don't use ANY SAMPLES...? I doubt there's many."

I have to think about that one, I know there are some out there.


To CinisterCee and Chris Evans--->


When you have a rap song about "Chicken Soup" being played on the radio, you know rap has hit it's
final low.

I should've came out with my album long, long time ago, do you know where I can
get a deal?


If I missed your comment it wasn't on purpose.

I know what you folks mean.I heard that stupid song that starts off with a sample of "I Call Your Name" These rappers need to have their asses kicked.

RosesRred said:

How about if Prince samples it himself?

Carmen Electra - "All That" (samples "Adore") 1993

You are exactly right. They don't have the ability to come up with a melody of their own and, even if they could, they don't have the skills to play the new melody in their head on some instruments.

It's not just lack of talent and creativity though, there's something bigger than they are which is keeping them on top. Anyone with any creativity or musical ability is going to be kept out by these major corporations such as record labels, video channels, and radio stations because it would threaten the cheap music that is being made.

Many rap acts of the past had talent, creativity, and musical ability but not the ones of today and it's been that way for 15 years.

I guarantee you, nobody is as pissed as I am.

blah, this thread is tired and played out, don't listen to rap, most of yall were fairweather fans to being with, and now sound like a bunch of crybabies,

"he sampled Prince,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH, that is crazy"

Prince was sucking rap's dick, when he was getting killed by LL Cool J, Teddy Riley,Bobby Brown, RUN DMC, BBD

stole the My Prerogative video for New Power Generation, striaght ripped off LL Cool J's Mama Said Knock You Out for My Name is Prince, straight rips off BBD Do Me sound with Gett Off, hires some of the worst rappers of all time, created one of the worst rap albums of all time for Carmen Electra

Prince makes me angry and should never attempt hip hop, cuz he sucks at it

KingKrazy said:

KingKRAZY I guess the name says it all.

It's not about just not listening to rap or even shit hop in general. If there was something else on R&B radio to listen to, it would be that simple. However, since there isn't anything else except shit hop on R&B radio.....bitch on people, bitch on!




Sucking dick is a compliment. If you had said eating pussy, that would have been an insult.




I agree that Prince should never attempt shit hop....not because he sucks at it but because it's no talent bullshit to begin with. When he attempts it, he's selling out because he's FAR above it.

As a longtime hip-hop head and devoted Prince listener, I got bones to pick with both sides of this argument.

vainandy said:


That's a gross overgeneralization. When you look at cats like Madlib and J Dilla, with their backgrounds as either musicians or producers, they can find a melody. In any event, hip-hop was not, I repeat not, designed to necessarily be a musical art form. it was designed to find a dope beat, not to spit mediocre rhymes over an entire instrumental track.

In fact, many jazz, funk and soul artists gained new fans because their work was sampled by hip-hop acts.



No way that's true. You just don't like what's come out the last 15 years. There are dozens of hip-hop acts that have come out since the early 90's that deserve acclaim. Don't discredit where discredit isn't due.

KingKrazy said:


Could it be that those artists ripped off Prince before Prince "ripped them off"? You dare not mention Bobby Brown, whose "Rock Witcha" constitutes grand larceny for its blatant ripoff of "Do Me, Baby." "Gett Off" sounding like BBD? Come on, mayne. You know better. That is a quintessential Prince record.

It's clear Prince tried to incorporate New Jack and hip-hop into much of his earlier music. He was following some trends. Much of Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds and Pearls, and Symbol sounds like New Jack/Soul II Soul/hip-hop. Prince needs to leave that rhyming alone, unless he's working with a true MC.
[Edited 12/15/06 11:12am]

KingKrazy said:

And My Prerogative looks exactly like Control, so there goes that "originality" argument.

TommyRoss said:

BOBBY BROWN - MY perogative
http://www.youtube.com/wa...bJzARPvFUs

Janet Jackson - Control
http://www.youtube.com/wa...uRvcl2shcU

Prince - New Power Generation
href=http://www.singingfool.com/Music/Video/NEW_POWER_GENERATION/T00611141.htm>NEW POWER GENERATION

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, between Control looks like a concert stage performance, My Perogative looks like a club performance, with it's dark blue scenery, and NPG video looks exactly like it with it's dark blue lighting, and in the club sense, he was biting Bobby's video hard, let your love stop acting like he wasn't a swagger jacker

namepeace:

Gett OFF sounds like a BBD record there even wasa thread about it sounding like something by BBD

And clean your hears out Do Me Baby sounds nuthin like Rock Witcha matter of fact, i back my shit up with facts compare listens
Prince - Do Me Baby(scroll all the way down to COntroversy and listen)
http://www.xsao.net/?artist=21280

Bobby Brown - Rock withcha(scrool all the way done to New Edition: Lost In Love:Slow Jams)
http://www.xsao.net/?artist=20218

listen before you talk they sound nuthin alike
[Edited 12/15/06 12:06pm]

KingKrazy said:

There are threads around here claiming Jesus Christ was actually Julius Caesar. Doesn't mean it's true.



If you're gonna try to dis me in English, use it properly. "Ears," not "hears."
If you can't see the comparisons, that's on you. I've heard the songs. I said what I said and I stand by it.



Think before you write, champ. The next time on this thread would be the first time on this thread. People can and will disagree with you in life, son. Grow up and get used to it. You don't have a right to be hostile on this issue.
[Edited 12/15/06 12:11pm]
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namepeace said:

ur little insults means i was right and you were wrong, and it is cool, and you won't to nitpick about words misspelled words, just to save face

This guy doesn't sample.
AND, he lets you download "his" entire CD.

KingKrazy said:

na-na-na boo-booooo!!!! are you serious?

I took issue with you, you got personal, I call you on it, give you a little of what you tried to give me, and you have no other response but to declare victory after you were whipped. But hey, if you call that winning, then let's go with that.
[Edited 12/15/06 12:47pm]