When Shitney Houston start influencing sooooo many R&B artists in the mid 1980s to make boring adult contemporary crossover music, I stuck around and gave music a chance to change. Then, house music came along....so a small change did come along, at least for a little while. When rap turned to bullshit around 1990 or 1991, I waited until 1997 and sat through all the boring stripped down midtempo bullshit hoping a change would come before I finally took all mainstream R&B stations off my dial. During that time, I hoped things would change when the year 2000 came. 2000 came and still no change. Now it's almost 2007 and still no change. I've given it all the chances it deserves.

This computer must be messed up because when I tried to quote a particular statement of yours, it only showed part of your post. Anyway, as far as artists being older in the 1990s and older artists don't usually get airplay anyway.....they did in the 1980s.....

Diana Ross:

Upside Down
I'm Coming Out
Muscles
Missing You
Mirror, Mirror
Why Do Fools Fall In Love
Pieces Of Ice
Working Overtime
Swept Away

The Chi-Lites:

Hot On A Thing
Bottoms Up

The Temptations:

Standing On The Top
Treat Her Like A Lady
Lady Soul

Smokey Robinson:

Being With You
You Are Forever
Who's Sad
Come 'Round Here
I've Made Love To You A Thousand Times

Marvin Gaye:

Sexual Healing
Till Tomorrow
Sanctified Lady

The Barkays:

EVERYTHING they released in the 1980s.

As for me being mad at the artists of today and should be mad at the labels and corporations.....the corporations and labels are the main ones I'm pissed at, for signing bullshit acts, giving them and only them airplay, and keeping everything else that threatens their style of music out. I'm not mad at the younger people either. Bullshit has dominated the majority of their lifetime so it's all they know. However, going by the number of young people on the site with good taste, all young people cannot be judged by a large that simply know no better.




I've defended my opinion very well. Rap and hip hop started out as good music. A lot of it was actual real music with real instruments. It was also fun and funky and a lot of the songs could and did rival some of the biggest funk jams of the day. In fact, some of the rap songs were funkier than funk. Rap music had plenty of rhythm in the 1980s also. Even the rappers' voices in the 1980s were better. They had smooth silky voices, almost like a radio announcer's voice.

However, what started out as hip hop, turned to shit hop. The tempo was slowed down and all rhythm was taken from the songs. Instruments were stripped off to nothing but a slow beat with some talking over it. Even down to their voices....what used to be smooth voices turned into ignorant, country, thuggish idiot sounding voices.
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vainandy said:

Negative. You've STATED your opinion. You haven't defended it. It's not defensible.

It's simply not defensible because your premise that hip-hop needs to be "musical" or "funky" to be any good is WHOLLY INDEFENSIBLE. You like 80's rap better than hip-hop era that followed it. Cool. But you can't talk about what you don't know.

Hell, you can't even defend your premise that hip-hop hasn't been "musical" or :"funky." Anyone who knows hip-hop would tell you that that's flat-ass wrong. OutKast? The Jungle Brothers? Doug Lazy? J Dilla? Madlib? Q-Tip? If you haven't heard the artists, you can't dog-talk'em the way you do.

The truth about your preferences and the truth about hip-hop are two entirely different things. It wouldn't matter if we were talking funk, jazz, bluegrass, house, whatever. Apply what you said to hip-hop to any of those genres and it wouldn't stand a chance.
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I have heard of several of the artists you mention but have only heard some actual songs by Outkast. As for them being funky, I say hell naw. And if someone thinks they are, then they grew up on the watered down funk of the late 1980s. As for them being musical, no, I haven't heard enough of their stuff to make that determination. I have, however, heard many people say they are very talented.....as far as rappers would go.

As for the others you listed, no, I haven't heard not one song of their's and have no desire to hear them. I don't doubt that they may be musically talented but every genre has their exceptions and as a whole and in general.....99% of the genre for the last 15 years has been pure and complete bullshit. It's no different than when I say funk is dead. Well, you can always pull Prince and Jamiroquai out of your hat but, as a whole and in general, funk is dead. It's not all over the radio, it's not all over the TV, the genre is actually dead. The same goes with good hip hop. It's not all over the radio or TV either. The genre is actually bullshit.

Yeah, if you get in a submarine and travel to the bottom of the ocean, or climb to the top of the highest mountain, sooner or later you will find something good....and that goes for every genre. However, why the hell should people have to do that these days when they didn't in the past?

As for me dogging shit hip, well, I don't like country music either but I don't dog it. It remains where it belongs, on the country stations so I have no problem with it. However, let country take over R&B radio like shit hop has and I will dog the hell out of it too.
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vainandy said:

Hip Hop is not for you, so STFU talking about something you have no clue about. Go back and listen to your bullshit over the top crap up tight ass music. Go shit on Emo or something. Some brothas are pimps, thugs, like fat pussy, thick thighs, and fancy cars. Get over it, there is always gay rap like Common, etc.
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workingupahiyellasweat said:

First part: fair enough.

Second part: Com is nice on the mic, pulled Cube's card, and would embarrass some of the minstrels posing as MCs these days. Recognize.

Spoken like sooooo many shit hop artists themselves.....uneducated, disrespectful, and just plain out right ignorant.



I'm sure there are very few gay rappers out there because most rappers lack something that gay people have.....style. If you're trying to throw an insult my way, then gay isn't the word.....straight is.