MikeMatronik said:

You'd better hope jay doesn't see this thread, because THEN the bitching will begin

VoicesCarry said:

Well I can make a thread saing Ciara is better than Jah'nit to keep ya busy?

MikeMatronik said:

No one would take you seriously.

kookoo2U said:

IMHO you lose any integrity the moment you name-drop your clothing line in every second track. I consider her music to be a product to advertise her image. I'm not sure if her primary goal is to actually make music anymore as it is to maintain her status in the industry.



With LAMB, I used to think this. But particularly with No Doubt and their ska influences which were cute if nothing special. However she has never really been able to sing live, and it has become especially clear with her last few performances.



Here's what I think happened. Gwen took the best solo song she could come up with (WYWF), made a killer video and released it as a single. And it went nowhere. And I think she was damn pissed. So she starts on the hip-hop influenced songs, with Rich Girl and finally with Hollaback, which is huge because the label bought hundreds of thousands of downloads.

So with this record she needs to come up with something ultra-fast so she goes with the Hollaback template because it worked last time, even though it was a novelty hit and should have stayed novelty. It's no coincidence that this record veers sharply away from new wave (the only new wave tracks are castoffs from LAMB sessions since she couldn't be bothered to wait long enough to cut a new album completely). I think she deliberately made a play for commercialism and nothing more here.

MikeMatronik said:

You'd better hope jay doesn't see this thread, because THEN the bitching will begin

+++See this is what I am saying. People don't like HER and that translates to the music. Her image is what hurts her...or at least becomes the start. So she lost her integrity at the first drop with you. There was no liking or getting to like her after that.

+++You make it sound like that she created those songs after WYWF?

I believe WYWF was pretty big (not exactly sure...it did put her on the map)

I clearly believe Rich Girl was always slated for release due to the Eve thing. I know that didn't take off that well and the moved Hollaback right on it's heels. The rest is history. The album always had an R&B/hip hop edge to it to begin with.

I do believe she was (and her record company) asked to use the Neptunes to "recreate the magic" of Hollaback.

But my original posting was to find out from those that LIKED the first album, what they thought of THIS album in comparison. OK so you don't like her or her music for whatever reason. Cool. I just wanted to see what her fans felt instead of a thread Bashing Gwen and thusly trying to defend her. And this is not a kiss Gwen's ass thread either.

VoicesCarry said:

ok...you have your point!

Actually I never bought a Dannii album or single! I wonder why?

Here's what I think happened. Gwen took the best solo song she could come up with (WYWF), made a killer video and released it as a single. And it went nowhere. And I think she was damn pissed. So she starts on the hip-hop influenced songs, with Rich Girl and finally with Hollaback, which is huge because the label bought hundreds of thousands of downloads.

So with this record she needs to come up with something ultra-fast so she goes with the Hollaback template because it worked last time, even though it was a novelty hit and should have stayed novelty. It's no coincidence that this record veers sharply away from new wave (the only new wave tracks are castoffs from LAMB sessions since she couldn't be bothered to wait long enough to cut a new album completely). I think she deliberately made a play for commercialism and nothing more here.

VoicesCarry said:

I think you're on the money there. "What You Waiting For" is the best thing she's ever been involved with, but it went nowhere. "Rich Girl" and "Hollaback" were the big hits from the album. "Cool" only did well because it was on the tail of "Hollaback". "Luxurious" also did pretty well, at least in the US. "Crash" also flopped, not surprisingly, as it is more new wave.

Moonbeam said:

"Crash" and "Serious" were the two best songs on LAMB, so I have no idea what you guys are on about. WYWF isn't that good, unless you play it really loudly in your car.

MikeMatronik said:

Reaction of some fans after listening to the album 4 the 1st time:

Moonbeam said:

"Crash" and "Serious" were the two best songs on LAMB, so I have no idea what you guys are on about. WYWF isn't that good, unless you play it really loudly in your car.

Cool...now that's a single that Madonna should have done

Reaction of some fans after listening to the album 4 the 1st time:

Actually, a terrible sample plus a shit-hop beat is nothing new. It's OLD and TIRED, and nothing on this album works

MikeMatronik said:

"Serious" is a single Madonna should've done (early on, of course).

From what I've listend to the album it sounds like LAMB but even weaker. I'm not rushing out to buy it until I at least hear a single I can toleate a little. "What Are You Waiting For" sold me on her first disc.

VinnyM27 said:

The beat of "Serious" was a rip-off of Donna Allen's "Serious", which hit #21 in 1987.

VoicesCarry said:

CinisterCee said:

The "You got me so delirious" bridge is original though.

MikeMatronik said:

Where did that come from...Did you make it? Hilarious!

VoicesCarry said:

I'm taken aback by how much venom people have for Gwen. Does not compute.