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Reply #90 posted 10/16/06 2:42pm

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Graycap23 said:

PFunkjazz said:

Facts are facts, but not reading/writing doesn't mean someone can't function musically (you just don't get a lot of sessionwork). Not reading or writing certainly calls into question claims of songwriting prowess when only a single composer is credited.

For the most part, George Clinton shared credits with Bernie Worrell (can't speak much on delivering royalty payments) and William Collins, but even Bootsy doesn't read music.
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Don't know if I agree with this. With programs like Digital Performer or Cubase,U can play a part into the squencer and the program will transcribe what u played into sheet music. It's not that difficult 2 do.


Yeah, Graycap..it always comes BACK to the reason for the season:
"TALENT & CREATIVE-VISONARY GIFTS"
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Reply #91 posted 10/16/06 2:52pm

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If Prince doesn't read music and is able to write songs and play so many instruments he must way smart and talented very few people can be so versatile without reading the musical sheets. Sheila E doesnt read music either and has made musical arrangements for the Oscars and Placido Domingo....This requires a natural ability to hear and play the sounds as well as the instruments..... I rest my case.....
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Reply #92 posted 10/16/06 3:14pm

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reina30 said:

If Prince doesn't read music and is able to write songs and play so many instruments he must way smart and talented very few people can be so versatile without reading the musical sheets. Sheila E doesnt read music either and has made musical arrangements for the Oscars and Placido Domingo....This requires a natural ability to hear and play the sounds as well as the instruments..... I rest my case.....



Knowledge is a tool. It has no bearing on your ability to communicate. There are many people who speak english every day who can't read or write it but it doesn't prevent them from communicating. The more tools you have, the easier it is for you to perform a task.

Lots of musicians play by ear. That's not special in and of itself. Prince and Stevie are a lot better at it than many people but it certainly doesn't make then exclusive.
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Reply #93 posted 10/16/06 3:17pm

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thekidsgirl said:

I really love the fact that Prince is the total package musically
He writes, produces,composes, plays all/most of instruments, sings

What other musicians are this versatile?
I know there are many, and I'd like to check them out

kidsgirl, there are several other artists that does this. P is far from being the only cat that can do this. It's fairly common, actually. And it's certainly nothing new. Here's a few other folks who excell or excelled at being a multi-instrumentalist:

Stevie Wonder
Shuggie Otis
Todd Rundgren
Sir Paul
Bootsy Collins
Rick James
Roger Troutman
Teena Marie
Patrice Rushen (who actually played keyboards on P's first album and who P wrote a few songs for but Patrice turned them down; "I Wanna Be Your Lover" and "I Feel For You")
Johhny Guitar Watson
Ernie Isley
Lewis Taylor
Junie Morrison
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Reply #94 posted 10/16/06 3:18pm

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blackguitaristz said:

thekidsgirl said:

I really love the fact that Prince is the total package musically
He writes, produces,composes, plays all/most of instruments, sings

What other musicians are this versatile?
I know there are many, and I'd like to check them out

kidsgirl, there are several other artists that does this. P is far from being the only cat that can do this. It's fairly common, actually. And it's certainly nothing new. Here's a few other folks who excell or excelled at being a multi-instrumentalist:

Stevie Wonder
Shuggie Otis
Todd Rundgren
Sir Paul
Bootsy Collins
Rick James
Roger Troutman
Teena Marie
Patrice Rushen (who actually played keyboards on P's first album and who P wrote a few songs for but Patrice turned them down; "I Wanna Be Your Lover" and "I Feel For You")
Johhny Guitar Watson
Ernie Isley
Lewis Taylor
Junie Morrison

Oh, and also, add this one high up on the list; Sly Stone
SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Reply #95 posted 10/16/06 3:57pm

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blackguitaristz said:

thekidsgirl said:

I really love the fact that Prince is the total package musically
He writes, produces,composes, plays all/most of instruments, sings

What other musicians are this versatile?
I know there are many, and I'd like to check them out

kidsgirl, there are several other artists that does this. P is far from being the only cat that can do this. It's fairly common, actually. And it's certainly nothing new. Here's a few other folks who excell or excelled at being a multi-instrumentalist:

Stevie Wonder
Shuggie Otis
Todd Rundgren
Sir Paul
Bootsy Collins
Rick James
Roger Troutman
Teena Marie
Patrice Rushen (who actually played keyboards on P's first album and who P wrote a few songs for but Patrice turned them down; "I Wanna Be Your Lover" and "I Feel For You")
Johhny Guitar Watson
Ernie Isley
Lewis Taylor
Junie Morrison



That's a Monster List , man! Alot of folks sleep on ernie Isley's Drumming.
"You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince
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Reply #96 posted 10/16/06 4:10pm

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stopHATING said:

blackguitaristz said:


kidsgirl, there are several other artists that does this. P is far from being the only cat that can do this. It's fairly common, actually. And it's certainly nothing new. Here's a few other folks who excell or excelled at being a multi-instrumentalist:

Stevie Wonder
Shuggie Otis
Todd Rundgren
Sir Paul
Bootsy Collins
Rick James
Roger Troutman
Teena Marie
Patrice Rushen (who actually played keyboards on P's first album and who P wrote a few songs for but Patrice turned them down; "I Wanna Be Your Lover" and "I Feel For You")
Johhny Guitar Watson
Ernie Isley
Lewis Taylor
Junie Morrison



That's a Monster List , man! Alot of folks sleep on ernie Isley's Drumming.





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Reply #97 posted 10/16/06 4:21pm

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funkpill said:

stopHATING said:




That's a Monster List , man! Alot of folks sleep on ernie Isley's Drumming.





nod yup


I'm sayin ?!? What, after "3+3" it was ALL Ernie ?!?
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Reply #98 posted 10/16/06 4:52pm

funkpill

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funkpill said:






nod yup


I'm sayin ?!? What, after "3+3" it was ALL Ernie ?!?



After the 'Live It Up' album, it was all Ernie... biggrin
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Reply #99 posted 10/16/06 6:19pm

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funkpill said:

stopHATING said:



I'm sayin ?!? What, after "3+3" it was ALL Ernie ?!?



After the 'Live It Up' album, it was all Ernie... biggrin



Actually Ernie played drums on tracks before 3+3

"I Turned You On " '69
""Get Into Something" '70
Bass on "Freedom" 70
"Keep on Doin'" 70
Bass (again) on "The Blacker The Berrie" 70
and also on the LIVE AT YANKEE STADIUM LP from 69.

This is from the 3 disc boxset IT'S YOUR THING.


Oh it also has that "Cold Bologna" is a guitar duet between Ernie and Bill Withers, who wrote the song.
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Reply #100 posted 10/16/06 10:29pm

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Well, I'll give props to the literates, being one myself. pimp smoker

Being able to read a staff is a handy skill, when you want to pull out some...oh say...Bartok or Mahler, for instance.

hah!
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Reply #101 posted 10/17/06 1:12am

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PFunkjazz said:

funkpill said:




After the 'Live It Up' album, it was all Ernie... biggrin



Actually Ernie played drums on tracks before 3+3

"I Turned You On " '69
""Get Into Something" '70
Bass on "Freedom" 70
"Keep on Doin'" 70
Bass (again) on "The Blacker The Berrie" 70
and also on the LIVE AT YANKEE STADIUM LP from 69.

This is from the 3 disc boxset IT'S YOUR THING.


Oh it also has that "Cold Bologna" is a guitar duet between Ernie and Bill Withers, who wrote the song.


That's amazing ,man. Well,that explains why Ernie's solos were so rhythmic ?!?
Now,that's got me thinkin about that famous pic of JIMI sitting at the drum kit.
hmmm
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Reply #102 posted 10/17/06 1:16am

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heartbeatocean said:

falloff

Well, I'll give props to the literates, being one myself. pimp smoker

Being able to read a staff is a handy skill, when you want to pull out some...oh say...Bartok or Mahler, for instance.

hah!




Right?!? OR a tonite Show gig ? lol I've known musicians that could simply take a listen to baroque music a play it back like a tape machine man. There's just no getting around "natural" ablility.
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Reply #103 posted 10/17/06 9:10am

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blackguitaristz said:

blackguitaristz said:


kidsgirl, there are several other artists that does this. P is far from being the only cat that can do this. It's fairly common, actually. And it's certainly nothing new. Here's a few other folks who excell or excelled at being a multi-instrumentalist:

Stevie Wonder
Shuggie Otis
Todd Rundgren
Sir Paul
Bootsy Collins
Rick James
Roger Troutman
Teena Marie
Patrice Rushen (who actually played keyboards on P's first album and who P wrote a few songs for but Patrice turned them down; "I Wanna Be Your Lover" and "I Feel For You")
Johhny Guitar Watson
Ernie Isley
Lewis Taylor
Junie Morrison

Oh, and also, add this one high up on the list; Sly Stone


Oh yeah, I know Prince isn't the only "one man band" out there
There just aren't enough artists out there these days who can do it all
In my opinion

...but I'm taking notes here! Thanks for the list smile
If you will, so will I
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Reply #104 posted 10/17/06 11:47am

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thekidsgirl said:

blackguitaristz said:


Oh, and also, add this one high up on the list; Sly Stone


Oh yeah, I know Prince isn't the only "one man band" out there
There just aren't enough artists out there these days who can do it all
In my opinion

...but I'm taking notes here! Thanks for the list smile

I could and would add myself to this list, but, (cough) I'm MUCH too modest to do that!
SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Reply #105 posted 10/17/06 1:49pm

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blackguitaristz said:

thekidsgirl said:



Oh yeah, I know Prince isn't the only "one man band" out there
There just aren't enough artists out there these days who can do it all
In my opinion

...but I'm taking notes here! Thanks for the list smile

I could and would add myself to this list, but, (cough) I'm MUCH too modest to do that!


Me too!
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Reply #106 posted 10/17/06 1:57pm

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blackguitaristz said:

thekidsgirl said:



Oh yeah, I know Prince isn't the only "one man band" out there
There just aren't enough artists out there these days who can do it all
In my opinion

...but I'm taking notes here! Thanks for the list smile

I could and would add myself to this list, but, (cough) I'm MUCH too modest to do that!



Me 2.
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Reply #107 posted 10/17/06 3:46pm

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http://www.youtube.com/wa...gvt_Rn0tPo

Odd, but true on his first 2 albums.
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Reply #108 posted 10/17/06 6:15pm

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stopHATING said:

heartbeatocean said:

falloff

Well, I'll give props to the literates, being one myself. pimp smoker

Being able to read a staff is a handy skill, when you want to pull out some...oh say...Bartok or Mahler, for instance.

hah!




Right?!? OR a tonite Show gig ? lol I've known musicians that could simply take a listen to baroque music a play it back like a tape machine man. There's just no getting around "natural" ablility.


Or good solid training.
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Reply #109 posted 10/18/06 10:26am

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heartbeatocean said:

stopHATING said:





Right?!? OR a tonite Show gig ? lol I've known musicians that could simply take a listen to baroque music a play it back like a tape machine man. There's just no getting around "natural" ablility.


Or good solid training.


nod

One of the Wooten Brothers -- Joe the keyboardist, I believe -- was talking to the audience taking in one of their shows, during a breakdown in the music. He'd been soloing furiously along with Regi and the rest of their killer band.

"People always say the Wooten family is just more talented than other people. They act like we don't rehearse. A lot of hard work goes into this," he said.
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