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PrintableKingKrazy said: lastdecember said: Yes CHICAGO own all their stuff. the are ways u can tell that artists own their own stuff. First if you see Re-issues and expanded editions/remastering it usually means the label and artist have come to terms on the masters. Almost all of the artists i mentioned have re-issued their stuff, Jovi,Elton,Bruce,Stones,Billy,Chicago. Another way to tell is when a certain artist that was big in a certain time period and they are not featured on comilations. Take the 80's for example, Jovi isnt part of any 80's metal/hairband compilations. You will never find these artists on compilations and if you do, its rare, but they probably have done their own licensing for it. Okay what you said is bullshit since Livin On a Prayer is on all those stupid 80 comps and i see that most of yall are naming names, and dont really know who owns there masters i see. Okay First of all, Its not on every compilation, Second if U read the post it says IF u find them on compilations they are the ones doing the licensing. Third ALL OF THE ARTISTS i have mentioned own their shit, just look it up. Elton John sued Dick James for his masters way back in the early 90's and got them, Chicago in the last decade got their own now they function on their own label and can distribute their old music on their own, Bruce has owned his stuff most of his career, The Stones got their masters a long time ago, Billy Joel spent almost a decade in court to get his masters and his money back from managers that stole it, and as for Bon Jovi they got their masters, a % of Universal and all publishing way back in the later 90's when their contract was up, this is why they re-signed. So U will find Jovi on a compilation here and there, most recently the Now Compilations, but HE does the licensing, since he owns the tracks. And four dont get upset because most artists are too dumb to get their own stuff back, or sign it away in the first place. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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I'm recalling an interview that Bono did about on how their manager had an important part in getting them a good contract and thus the ownership of their masters | |
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Shapeshifter said: Ray Charles owned his.
Yeah, it's interesting that Ray, Sam Cooke, and Curtis Mayfield, and the technically, The Isley Brothers all owned their Masters ..... ... [Edited 10/9/06 16:33pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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lastdecember said: KingKrazy said: Okay what you said is bullshit since Livin On a Prayer is on all those stupid 80 comps and i see that most of yall are naming names, and dont really know who owns there masters i see. Okay First of all, Its not on every compilation, Second if U read the post it says IF u find them on compilations they are the ones doing the licensing. Third ALL OF THE ARTISTS i have mentioned own their shit, just look it up. Elton John sued Dick James for his masters way back in the early 90's and got them, Chicago in the last decade got their own now they function on their own label and can distribute their old music on their own, Bruce has owned his stuff most of his career, The Stones got their masters a long time ago, Billy Joel spent almost a decade in court to get his masters and his money back from managers that stole it, and as for Bon Jovi they got their masters, a % of Universal and all publishing way back in the later 90's when their contract was up, this is why they re-signed. So U will find Jovi on a compilation here and there, most recently the Now Compilations, but HE does the licensing, since he owns the tracks. And four dont get upset because most artists are too dumb to get their own stuff back, or sign it away in the first place.  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: lastdecember said: Okay First of all, Its not on every compilation, Second if U read the post it says IF u find them on compilations they are the ones doing the licensing. Third ALL OF THE ARTISTS i have mentioned own their shit, just look it up. Elton John sued Dick James for his masters way back in the early 90's and got them, Chicago in the last decade got their own now they function on their own label and can distribute their old music on their own, Bruce has owned his stuff most of his career, The Stones got their masters a long time ago, Billy Joel spent almost a decade in court to get his masters and his money back from managers that stole it, and as for Bon Jovi they got their masters, a % of Universal and all publishing way back in the later 90's when their contract was up, this is why they re-signed. So U will find Jovi on a compilation here and there, most recently the Now Compilations, but HE does the licensing, since he owns the tracks. And four dont get upset because most artists are too dumb to get their own stuff back, or sign it away in the first place. Its not a put down im sure every artist looking back sees it as a dumb-thing they did "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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paligap said: Shapeshifter said: Ray Charles owned his.
Yeah, it's interesting that Ray, Sam Cooke, and Curtis Mayfield, and the technically, The Isley Brothers all owned their Masters ..... ... [Edited 10/9/06 16:33pm] Frankie Beverly also...  | |
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Who in Chicago owns what? And since when?
It's a fairly large group that has had lots of lineup changes. It'd be interesting to see who owns masters on their first 8 hit albums. test | |
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lastdecember said: Its not a put down im sure every artist looking back sees it as a dumb-thing they did It's not a matter of dumb or smart, but a matter of business. What does an artist have to offer a record company for recording, distributing and promoting his music? Very little until he has built up some value in his product. The value in master recordings obviuosly increases, with time and the popularuity of the music. Besides, it is the record company that has invested capital in the recording of these masters. It is not something due the artist (unless by some contractual arrangement), but an expense he must reimburse the record company; provided they are for sale. [Edited 10/9/06 17:54pm] test | |
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lastdecember said: KingKrazy said: Okay what you said is bullshit since Livin On a Prayer is on all those stupid 80 comps and i see that most of yall are naming names, and dont really know who owns there masters i see. Okay First of all, Its not on every compilation, Second if U read the post it says IF u find them on compilations they are the ones doing the licensing. Third ALL OF THE ARTISTS i have mentioned own their shit, just look it up. Elton John sued Dick James for his masters way back in the early 90's and got them, Chicago in the last decade got their own now they function on their own label and can distribute their old music on their own, Bruce has owned his stuff most of his career, The Stones got their masters a long time ago, Billy Joel spent almost a decade in court to get his masters and his money back from managers that stole it, and as for Bon Jovi they got their masters, a % of Universal and all publishing way back in the later 90's when their contract was up, this is why they re-signed. So U will find Jovi on a compilation here and there, most recently the Now Compilations, but HE does the licensing, since he owns the tracks. And four dont get upset because most artists are too dumb to get their own stuff back, or sign it away in the first place. That's very harsh to say that most artists are dumb...it's virtually impossible to be able to own your masters if you're starting out. And note that those artists who acquired their masters went through a long period of legal proceedings - it's not cheap to be able to afford representation for this purpose and also depends on the amount of leverage the artist has. | |
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The Brothers Gibb. "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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Meloh9 said: funkpill said: George Clinton own the 4 Warner Bros. Funkadelic masters.
I think he owns the westbound masters also NO- IT's the WB Masters!!!!! | |
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I've noticed that everywhere the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, and Van Morrison go, so do their masters. Chicago recently, and everyone else surprised me!!!! And for a rapper to own their masters in this day & age is a MIRACLE!!!!! So GO LL!!!! | |
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woogiebear said: I've noticed that everywhere the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, and Van Morrison go, so do their masters. Chicago recently, and everyone else surprised me!!!! And for a rapper to own their masters in this day & age is a MIRACLE!!!!! So GO LL!!!!
Rappers owning masters of material that's been sampled???  | |
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woogiebear said: I've noticed that everywhere the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, and Van Morrison go, so do their masters. Chicago recently, and everyone else surprised me!!!! And for a rapper to own their masters in this day & age is a MIRACLE!!!!! So GO LL!!!!
AC/DC too. | |
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I believe that The Stones own all of their masters from Exile On Main Street to the present, they have a very good deal with Virgin. Everything from their beginning ( The Brian Jones era ) is still controlled by Allen Klein, their former manager. When you hear Satisfaction, You can't always get what you want, Paint It Black and the fiasco that happened when The Verve used the uncredited sample of a Stones song for Bittersweet Symphony, all of the money made from that song mainly goes to Klein with Jagger and Richards receiveing writer's credit. Jeux Sans Frontiers | |
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Mong said: lastdecember said: Okay First of all, Its not on every compilation, Second if U read the post it says IF u find them on compilations they are the ones doing the licensing. Third ALL OF THE ARTISTS i have mentioned own their shit, just look it up. Elton John sued Dick James for his masters way back in the early 90's and got them, Chicago in the last decade got their own now they function on their own label and can distribute their old music on their own, Bruce has owned his stuff most of his career, The Stones got their masters a long time ago, Billy Joel spent almost a decade in court to get his masters and his money back from managers that stole it, and as for Bon Jovi they got their masters, a % of Universal and all publishing way back in the later 90's when their contract was up, this is why they re-signed. So U will find Jovi on a compilation here and there, most recently the Now Compilations, but HE does the licensing, since he owns the tracks. And four dont get upset because most artists are too dumb to get their own stuff back, or sign it away in the first place. That's very harsh to say that most artists are dumb...it's virtually impossible to be able to own your masters if you're starting out. And note that those artists who acquired their masters went through a long period of legal proceedings - it's not cheap to be able to afford representation for this purpose and also depends on the amount of leverage the artist has. Well its not harsh, the rules of the game have changed now. If you are signing now with a label and you are writing and playing your own music and not asking for ownership than you are dumb, im sorry. In this day and age you have to think long term, this is not the 70' or 80's anymore, there are other alternatives to getting your music out there, if you are serious about a career. If you wanna be the next Ciara or Cassie than sign with a label and hope you 50 cents a cd if youre lucky. So its not a put down to artists back then because thats how the game was set up and there werent other alternatives really. But now if you are someone who plays/writes and knows how to record, you are fool to sign over your work. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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carlcranshaw said: The Brothers Gibb.
Yeah right! Damn they got paid  | |
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CinisterCee said: carlcranshaw said: The Brothers Gibb.
Yeah right! Damn they got paid Add that with their publishing...massive income. The Gibbs wrote some of the most sucessful and iconic songs of the 70's...result: big cash! | |
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cash money own theirs lol i remember reading. but this was back in the day like 2000-01 . ever seen( i think baby or manny fresh)'s house on mtv cribs? that shit was crazy! | |
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lastdecember said: Mong said: That's very harsh to say that most artists are dumb...it's virtually impossible to be able to own your masters if you're starting out. And note that those artists who acquired their masters went through a long period of legal proceedings - it's not cheap to be able to afford representation for this purpose and also depends on the amount of leverage the artist has. Well its not harsh, the rules of the game have changed now. If you are signing now with a label and you are writing and playing your own music and not asking for ownership than you are dumb, im sorry. In this day and age you have to think long term, this is not the 70' or 80's anymore, there are other alternatives to getting your music out there, if you are serious about a career. If you wanna be the next Ciara or Cassie than sign with a label and hope you 50 cents a cd if youre lucky. So its not a put down to artists back then because thats how the game was set up and there werent other alternatives really. But now if you are someone who plays/writes and knows how to record, you are fool to sign over your work. You're wrong. If you sign with a label and ask for a clause in the contract stating that you own your masters, you are not going to get it! For Christ's sake, it's harder now than ever before to get a deal and getting a decent advance is extremely rare. Yout best bit is to set up your own label or to go for a licensing deal. Trust me, I know about how the business works. | |
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Mong said: lastdecember said: Well its not harsh, the rules of the game have changed now. If you are signing now with a label and you are writing and playing your own music and not asking for ownership than you are dumb, im sorry. In this day and age you have to think long term, this is not the 70' or 80's anymore, there are other alternatives to getting your music out there, if you are serious about a career. If you wanna be the next Ciara or Cassie than sign with a label and hope you 50 cents a cd if youre lucky. So its not a put down to artists back then because thats how the game was set up and there werent other alternatives really. But now if you are someone who plays/writes and knows how to record, you are fool to sign over your work. You're wrong. If you sign with a label and ask for a clause in the contract stating that you own your masters, you are not going to get it! For Christ's sake, it's harder now than ever before to get a deal and getting a decent advance is extremely rare. Yout best bit is to set up your own label or to go for a licensing deal. Trust me, I know about how the business works. The advance money...how does it work? | |
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funkpill said: woogiebear said: I've noticed that everywhere the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, and Van Morrison go, so do their masters. Chicago recently, and everyone else surprised me!!!! And for a rapper to own their masters in this day & age is a MIRACLE!!!!! So GO LL!!!!
Rappers owning masters of material that's been sampled???  btw,Ice Cube owns the master to his most recent CD 'Laugh Now,Cry Later'.He's officially an independent artist now and said that he will never allow a record company to own his music. | |
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SoulAlive said: funkpill said: Rappers owning masters of material that's been sampled??? btw,Ice Cube owns the master to his most recent CD 'Laugh Now,Cry Later'.He's officially an independent artist now and said that he will never allow a record company to own his music.well he is friends with Prince | |
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Meloh9 said: SoulAlive said: btw,Ice Cube owns the master to his most recent CD 'Laugh Now,Cry Later'.He's officially an independent artist now and said that he will never allow a record company to own his music.well he is friends with Prince no he's not! Like elton john said apart from maybe eminem or 2pac most rappers catalogues aren't worth anthing! | |
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mikek1 said: Meloh9 said: well he is friends with Prince no he's not! Yes,he is.In 1994,he directed Prince's "Love Sign" video and has spoken favorably of Prince ever since. | |
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SoulAlive said: mikek1 said: no he's not! Yes,he is.In 1994,he directed Prince's "Love Sign" video and has spoken favorably of Prince ever since. Yes but they HAVE NEVER hung out personally and are not friends. Prince doesn't have any friends. | |
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mikek1 said: SoulAlive said: Yes,he is.In 1994,he directed Prince's "Love Sign" video and has spoken favorably of Prince ever since. Yes but they HAVE NEVER hung out personally and are not friends. Prince doesn't have any friends. How do you know? Do you have evidence/footage of his personal daily life to know for a fact he doesn't have any friends? Care to share that with us?
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wonder505 said: mikek1 said: Yes but they HAVE NEVER hung out personally and are not friends. Prince doesn't have any friends. How do you know? Do you have evidence/footage of his personal daily life to know for a fact he doesn't have any friends? Care to share that with us?
You are sooooo jealous of Prince. jealous? I wish Prince every sucess. he's the greatest artist alive. i'm just real about artists personalitys. I'll leave it at that; anything i say gets me a warning. | |
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Meloh9 said: SoulAlive said: btw,Ice Cube owns the master to his most recent CD 'Laugh Now,Cry Later'.He's officially an independent artist now and said that he will never allow a record company to own his music.well he is friends with Prince "Bought a house next to Prince, so now I can kick it" | |
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mikek1 said: wonder505 said: How do you know? Do you have evidence/footage of his personal daily life to know for a fact he doesn't have any friends? Care to share that with us?
You are sooooo jealous of Prince. jealous? I wish Prince every sucess. he's the greatest artist alive. i'm just real about artists personalitys. I'll leave it at that; anything i say gets me a warning. you can be real about the personality, but when you say things like Prince has no friends (which you wouldn't know because you are not apart of his private daily life), or he never says hi to fans, where Orgers themselves have experienced differently, your posts just seems a bit immature. [Edited 10/10/06 11:43am] | |
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