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Thread started 09/21/06 1:27am

Krytonite

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Jackson regrets apologising for superbowl incident

More than two and a half years after her breast was exposed to nearly 100 million viewers during the Super Bowl, JANET JACKSON has finally spoken out about the debacle and insists she shouldn't have apologised. The ALL FOR YOU singer taped an appearance on the OPRAH WINFREY show on 7 September (06), where she discussed the fiasco for the first time. Jackson apologised for the "wardrobe malfunction" days after the event occurred, but now says she regrets saying sorry because it made her look guilty for something that was an accident.

The 40-year-old star told Winfrey she has not spoken with JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE since their performance on 1 February 2004, when he infamously ripped her costume, leaving her partially naked. When Winfrey asked if she felt betrayed, Jackson would not answer directly, but said cryptically, "Loyalty comes first to me." Jackson, whose appearance on Winfrey's show will air on 26 September (06), claims she doesn't hold a grudge against the SEXYBACK singer and still considers him a friend.
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Reply #1 posted 09/21/06 2:25am

SoulAlive

hmmm interesting...
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Reply #2 posted 09/21/06 7:27am

Shapeshifter

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"Accident" my arse! That was planned. If it wasn't she wouldn't have had that big ole metal pastie on. Next up - Janet says Iraq had nuclear weapons.
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Reply #3 posted 09/21/06 7:31am

TommyRoss

Krytonite said:

The 40-year-old star told Winfrey she has not spoken with JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE since their performance on 1 February 2004, when he infamously ripped her costume, leaving her partially naked. When Winfrey asked if she felt betrayed, Jackson would not answer directly, but said cryptically, "Loyalty comes first to me." Jackson, whose appearance on Winfrey's show will air on 26 September (06), claims she doesn't hold a grudge against the SEXYBACK singer and still considers him a friend.

You know she's lying. lol
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Reply #4 posted 09/21/06 7:33am

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Oh please. rolleyes

Just come clean already and say it was planned, but you didn't think the backlash would be so huge. Typical taurus--sticking to her story even though it's wrong.
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Reply #5 posted 09/21/06 7:36am

TommyRoss

sextonseven said:

Typical taurus Jackson --sticking to her story even though it's wrong.


thumbs up! biggrin
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Reply #6 posted 09/21/06 7:40am

JackieBlue

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Yeah that's some BS. Major points lost.
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Reply #7 posted 09/21/06 7:47am

whoknows

I swear there's something in the DNA of modern pop tarts that just makes them all complete fucking liars. The only one I've ever heard who doesn't sound like she's perpetrating a scam all the time is Kylie Minogue.
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Reply #8 posted 09/21/06 7:48am

sallysassalot

i've always thought it as an accident. when i had my nipple pierced i wore it whether or not i'd be on tv in front of millions of people. lol i still think it went further then it was intended to.

that said...who cares? shit was like 100 hundred years ago. (early morning edit)
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Reply #9 posted 09/21/06 8:09am

lilgish

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Of couse she regrets it, she apologized and she still can't get on Mtv.
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Reply #10 posted 09/21/06 8:15am

CinisterCee

TommyRoss said:

sextonseven said:

Typical taurus Jackson --sticking to her story even though it's wrong.


thumbs up! biggrin

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Reply #11 posted 09/21/06 8:29am

Ellie

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I lost a bit of repsect for her when she made that lame apology. Who the hell was she apologising to?

Seriously, we heard of all those hlariously shielded from reality people who were "offended" by what she did, but do any of us actually know any of them? lol
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Reply #12 posted 09/21/06 8:32am

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I don't think it was an accident. I think it was planned by both her and Justin. Therefore, I don't think she should have apologized by herself. I think they both should have, at the same time during the same press conference taking responsibility for both of their actions.

Instead we had Janet apologizing, getting ridiculed and being blackballed, while Justin 'Now I wanna act like Prince' Timberfake pretended to be all dumbfounded and innocent. Which is pure bullshit, and another example of how narrow-minded and gullible the majority of the American public still is!

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Reply #13 posted 09/21/06 9:42am

kisscamille

TommyRoss said:

sextonseven said:

Typical taurus Jackson --sticking to her story even though it's wrong.


thumbs up! biggrin


Yep, I have to agree. She's full of shit.
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Reply #14 posted 09/21/06 10:04am

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She may be a liar but it beats being a coward like Justin TimberFAKE. Dude bitched up when he should have been right there behind her. Its always the "Janet fiasco" and not the "Janet and Justin fiasco". That says something about this country but I'll digress rather than go into angry blaque man mode about it. Dude will forever be a bitch to me.
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Reply #15 posted 09/21/06 10:13am

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I don't think any of us will ever know what really happened. With no evidence 2 support any arguement, all we have 2 go off of is our own theories.
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Reply #16 posted 09/21/06 10:20am

kisscamille

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She may be a liar but it beats being a coward like Justin TimberFAKE. Dude bitched up when he should have been right there behind her. Its always the "Janet fiasco" and not the "Janet and Justin fiasco". That says something about this country but I'll digress rather than go into angry blaque man mode about it. Dude will forever be a bitch to me.


Please don't digress. It was Janets nipple afterall.
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Reply #17 posted 09/21/06 10:23am

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"Accident" my arse! That was planned. If it wasn't she wouldn't have had that big ole metal pastie on. Next up - Janet says Iraq had nuclear weapons.
lol
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Right. What exactly was supposed to happen? What was the "accident"? I mean, Timberlake grapped her boob, pulled her clothes... did she forget to wear the "psyche!" sign underneath or what?
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Reply #18 posted 09/21/06 10:25am

whoknows

npgmaverick said:

I don't think any of us will ever know what really happened. With no evidence 2 support any arguement, all we have 2 go off of is our own theories.

No evidence? Justin sings the lyric "Gonna have you naked by the end of this song"; then rips off Janet's velcro thingy in perfect time with the music at "the end of the song". That's one hell of a coincidence.
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Reply #19 posted 09/21/06 10:29am

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She fucked up by apologizing. She blinked. Madonna woudn't have done shit except throw the incident in the publics face, record sales be damned. Make some good music to back up a fiasco.

Justin fucked up because it exposed him as a basic culture vulture who will drop you who he borrows from in time of trouble. Very foul.
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Reply #20 posted 09/21/06 10:30am

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calldapplwondery83 said:

Shapeshifter said:

"Accident" my arse! That was planned. If it wasn't she wouldn't have had that big ole metal pastie on. Next up - Janet says Iraq had nuclear weapons.
lol
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Right. What exactly was supposed to happen? What was the "accident"? I mean, Timberlake grapped her boob, pulled her clothes... did she forget to wear the "psyche!" sign underneath or what?


This is what I always wanted to know. How was it an accident? How did it go too far? I wanted to see her with a damn mannequin wearing the same clothes she had on showing exactly what they intended to happen.
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Reply #21 posted 09/21/06 10:38am

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People blew this whole thing way out of proportion and Janet got scared when they started talking about suing her and taking money (as any rich person woould). At least she stood her ground for a little while. I knew she wasn't sorry when she apologized and I'm glad she's saying she wasn't now. Justin BITCHED UP and tried to front like it wasn't his hand that ripped the cloth from her top. 0 respect points for that. He ran. Coward. It was a great publicity stunt that only went wrong because the media played the scandalous angle instead of the attention whore angle they were hoping for. America is full of hypocrites anyway. Pretending to be offended by a boob flash that lasted all of one second while spending most of the time on the internet surfing for porn. We demonize a woman's body and yet we all came from women and a tit is as natural as a hand. Every woman has them. Any woman defending Justin is the kind of female who would date a dude who would run from a fight when another guy is threatening her. That's what's wrong with this country these days. The glorification of bitch ass men. There is a fine line between "sensitive" and "pussy". As far as I'm concerned, Justin can put on Janet's break-away bra. Dude's a itchbay.
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Reply #22 posted 09/21/06 10:41am

Thriller81

First of all, I'm not one of those "pure, holy than thou, classy" types. I enjoyed the hell out of looking at Janet's nipple, and women's tits and ass, period. If you don't like sexually, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ON A PRINCE WEB SITE? But I do believe it was planned, but I believe it was Timberlake's idea, Janet went along with it. What do I point the finger at him, think about it, it was his performance, he wrote the lyrics to Rock Your Body including "gonna have you naked by the end of this song". It's common sense, all Janet did was "dance" around him and wait for the moment to come for him to pull the piece off her dress. Of course Janet's not innocence, she was dumb enough to participate in that shit, but to lay the blame squarely on her is stupid. I would understand it if she did a strip tease, and took off the piece herself, but that's not the case. I still think to this day Timberlake is a punk-bitch for letting his partner, yes partner, take the blame.

But the media need to stop frontin, that moment only lasted less than 2 seconds at the most. Nobody probably saw it live, and if they did, it wasn't long enough to recognize. But the media showed the moment on TV over and over again, and played it in slow motion. But I love it. Keep it comin.
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Reply #23 posted 09/21/06 10:44am

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First of all, I'm not one of those "pure, holy than thou, classy" types. I enjoyed the hell out of looking at Janet's nipple, and women's tits and ass, period. If you don't like sexually, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ON A PRINCE WEB SITE? But I do believe it was planned, but I believe it was Timberlake's idea, Janet went along with it. What do I point the finger at him, think about it, it was his performance, he wrote the lyrics to Rock Your Body including "gonna have you naked by the end of this song". It's common sense, all Janet did was "dance" around him and wait for the moment to come for him to pull the piece off her dress. Of course Janet's not innocence, she was dumb enough to participate in that shit, but to lay the blame squarely on her is stupid. I would understand it if she did a strip tease, and took off the piece herself, but that's not the case. I still think to this day Timberlake is a punk-bitch for letting his partner, yes partner, take the blame.


I don't believe this theory to be true but even if it was, Janet is a strong enough woman to make up her own mind about things. She's not going to be Justin's puppet. Ultimately she had a deciding factor into the stunt as well.
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Reply #24 posted 09/21/06 10:52am

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I'll never get past Justin's cowardice. Maybe, just maybe his handlers warned him about saying anything more but either way I think he could and should have stepped up. There comes a time when you have to be a man and not a celebrity.

But what bothers me most about the whole thing is that Janet would even partake in something so ridiculous. I emphasize Janet because she is the elder of the two and I expect a little bit more sensibility and because she would be the one with the most to lose should things go awry. And it did.

I'm sorry to say but as black woman, she needed to rethink that whole situation. I'm surprise they didn't blame her for the missing WMDs. Oh wait, I think they did at one point.
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Reply #25 posted 09/21/06 10:54am

Isel

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i've always thought it as an accident. when i had my nipple pierced i wore it whether or not i'd be on tv in front of millions of people. lol i still think it went further then it was intended to.

that said...who cares? shit was like 100 hundred years ago. (early morning edit)


I agree. I'm with you: it very well could have been an accident. Just because she was wearing nipple jewelry doesn't mean that much. In fact,she may have worn her nip-shield just in case there was a mal-function, so her whole breast wouldn't have been exposed.

As far as the "illusion" or "costume reveal" if that's what it was supposed to be, I bet it was a group decision-her choreographer's and Janet's--maybe Justin had some input. But I think it was more Janet's creative team. And during that time those "costume reveals" were really popular, so it could have very well been true that the red "bra" should have remained attached.

But I also agree, the news is so old that what does it matter now anyway? The damage is done in spite of her explanation--and really even it could be proved there was a malfunction, I just don't think people would let it go.

Also, if I remember correctly Janet apologized for offending people. Didn't she say it was an accident?

It doesn't really matter now. What's done is done.
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Reply #26 posted 09/21/06 10:54am

Thriller81

Jesus Christ, you guys are really making Justin Timberlake look good and innocent.
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Reply #27 posted 09/21/06 11:00am

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Fear of a Black Titty
Treating Janet like you don’t love her

By Ernest Hardy
Thursday, May 6, 2004 - 12:00 am


You live by the pop machine, you die by the pop machine. The sleek commodity known as Janet Damita Jo Jackson DeBarge Elizondo Jackson has done her share of living and dying lately, often simultaneously. She’s been all over editorial pages and gossip columns; her Super Bowl controversy launched two phrases into popular vernacular (wardrobe malfunction; Nipplegate), and yet her latest album, Damita Jo, is widely perceived as a commercial flop and critical disappointment (even though its first-week sales were far stronger than those of recent releases by Madonna, Britney, Whitney or J-Lo). Radio has been lukewarm at best, and the hypocrites at MTV have all but banished her from their airwaves. For someone so long plugged into the machine, Jackson has committed one critical error after another — the Super Bowl fiasco, the staggeringly bad choice for a first single, a lackluster video for that first single.

That’s not to say that the disc is an unfairly maligned masterpiece. It’s loaded with far too much dross: inane interludes where Janet burbles like a ditz, musing on island vacations, the origins of her middle name and whatever fluff pops into her head; the limp sex odes “Moist” and “Warmth,” which sound like they were penned and sung by some narcotized junior high school ho; an obsession with sex that started three albums ago and whose dividends are only rarely even semi-interesting. It doesn’t help that neither the “official” lead single, “I Want You,” nor the “leaked” single, “Just a Little While,” are anything other than album filler.

But wait. Damita Jo is still better than most reviews and word-of-mouth would have you believe. Thank the producers. The whole thing is very much a retro affair, from the girl-group arrangement of “I Want You” to the infectious doo-doo-doo-doo-doo that opens the album’s best track, “Like You Don’t Love Me,” an attitude-laden, TLC-ish demand for a good, vigorous fuck (“You need to make love to me/like you don’t love me”) to the Vanity 6 homage in “Strawberry Bounce.” And “R&B Junkie,” the CD’s second-best track and likely candidate for club hit of the summer, has offended many detractors with its boulder-size sample from Evelyn King’s “I’m in Love,” but the gambit works in the context of a song that’s an ode to old-school soul music and the dances those sounds inspired. Meanwhile, producer Kanye West continues his midtempo winning streak with “My Baby,” while the lilting, aptly named “Island Life” is pure seduction set to a groove. Had some careful pruning taken place before the album’s release, the CD could have been at least a minor-chord “F-you” victory to the wolves nipping at Janet’s tits.


Janet Jackson is simultaneously a minor talent and the unheralded mother-architect, for better or worse, of the current pop world. And though she’d be loath to admit it, her artistic baby-daddy is Paula Abdul, whose Control-era choreography has been the template for not only most of Miss Jackson’s moves over the past 15 years but for most pop choreography, period. (Producers Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are the nannies who do all the unglamorous, necessary grunt work.)

While it’s a conditioned reflex for mainstream critics to heap praise upon Madonna as the mold from which MTV’s pop brigade is stamped, the truth is a bit more complicated. What Madonna’s really handed down has been a bottle of peroxide, a palpable contempt for her audience and a refresher course on the ways in which white skin earns props for its bearers way out of proportion to anything they actually do. Throw in some marketing-savvy DNA and you pretty much have her artistic legacy summed up. Case in point: The pathetic, creepy, faux-lesbian kiss last year between Madonna and Britney was largely interpreted as a passing of the diva torch. But Britney’s career, like those of her countless clones, rather than being a youthful updating of Madonna’s blueprint, is actually the Clorox remix of Janet’s. Brit’s every head snap, pelvic thrust and shoulder jerk was first executed by Miss Jackson, with many of her videos being almost frame-for-frame replications of past Janet clips. Even the most successful of the boy-band wave — ’N Sync, Backstreet Boys — owe much of their performing style to Janet and her various choreographers. (Tellingly, when Justin Timberlake was in ’N Sync, he and his group bit Janet’s style hard; as a solo artist, he lifts shamelessly from her brother.)

One of the most interesting aspects of the fallout from Janet’s controversial Super Bowl performance has been her subsequent psychological profile as crafted by a reactionary infotainment machine. Her every media appearance is prefaced with the news that her host has instituted a five-second delay, as though her titty baring weren’t an aberration for her, but the norm. Everything from the increased heat placed on Howard Stern to edited nude scenes on E.R. to the recently canceled Victoria’s Secret television special has been blamed on her: She’s been turned from the tapioca dominatrix no one could possibly take seriously into the stereotypical sex-mad Negress who’ll corrupt all she touches — or might touch. (One of the few critics to point out the race aspect of the media reaction to Jackson has been the Village Voice’s Richard Goldstein, who, in a recent essay commenting on the varying ways that Courtney Love and Janet have been treated in the press, opined, “Thank God, for Courtney’s sake, that she’s white.”)

Pundits, who know they should be furious at something or someone but are too cowardly to take aim at the proper targets, have lumped endless scorn on Jackson for unleashing a puritanical FCC on us all. Aiming their vitriol at the agency itself would mean not only outlining the right-wing consolidation of media power in the hands of a privileged few, but also noting the Christian Taliban mentality of those who hold the purse strings and control the airwaves. In short, it would mean biting the conservative hand that signs their paychecks.

Meanwhile, Jackson’s Super Bowl accomplice, young master Timberlake, has proven himself to be the bitch-made-pop-star you always knew he was. As though aiming to get his own chapter in Greg Tate’s book Everything but the Burden: What White People Are Taking From Black Culture, Timberlake shed all wigger affectations the moment he felt the heat of real controversy. He dropped the hip-hop gear, grabbed a suit and tie, and literally held his mommy’s hand as he strolled into this year’s Grammy Awards, where he all but burst into tears as he apologetically explained onstage how he’d been bamboozled into taking part in Janet’s shameful shenanigans. Poor thing.



The real problem for Janet is that, in total, Damita Jo underscores her as the ultimate modern American sex symbol in ways she didn’t intend. As she cruises toward 40, she has to figure out what it means not only to compete with her own cultural spawn on a playing field whose terms are viciously youth-obsessed, but also what it means to be a mature woman who is sexually vibrant, sexually curious and willing to speak with candor about her desires and experiences. For Jackson, that simply translates into a cataloging of sexual positions and X-rated activities. With her breathy, multitracked voice as her calling card and primary weapon, and slight-to-say-the-least lyrics as the bullets, she comes off more as a sexually precocious teenybopper than a woman of the world.

It’s not just that there’s no depth to her boudoir insights and philosophical musings, or that the bulk of her lyrics manage the unimpressive feat of being explicit and banal, but that she’s morphing into an aging porn starlet of the most tragic type — chasing relevance with ever bigger hair, ever bigger boobs, and a willingness to fall to her knees in mirthless, monotonous mimicry of sexual ecstasy. It’s like, after all the fucking and talking about fucking that she’s done, she has almost no idea what true liberation — or even pleasure — really is.
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Reply #28 posted 09/21/06 11:00am

Isel

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Jesus Christ, you guys are really making Justin Timberlake look good and innocent.
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Well, I just wish he had stepped-up--or been more vocal about defending Janet. Didn't he attend the Grammy's right after the incident on condition he apologize? Janet refused to go or something.

I don't remember exactly. But he could have been more vocal in his defense and at least accepted some responsibility for "agreeing" to do the reveal or stunt (if that what it really was) in the first place.
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Reply #29 posted 09/21/06 11:08am

Thriller81

Isel said:

Thriller81 said:

Jesus Christ, you guys are really making Justin Timberlake look good and innocent.
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Well, I just wish he had stepped-up--or been more vocal about defending Janet. Didn't he attend the Grammy's right after the incident on condition he apologize? Janet refused to go or something.

I don't remember exactly. But he could have been more vocal in his defense and at least accepted some responsibility for "agreeing" to do the reveal or stunt (if that what it really was) in the first place.


How about full responsibility? People want to talk about Janet, lets talk about him. I honestly believe it was his idea. "Gonna have you naked by the end of this song" Those aren't Janet's lyrics, it's his.

It was his song, his performance, his hand ripping the piece off. This is getting retarded, if was Janet creative team's idea, she tricked him, Janet was stupid for agreeing to do the performance, she embarrassed black women, that's bullshit.
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