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Reply #30 posted 09/21/06 11:09am

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iconsweat said:

Fear of a Black Titty
Treating Janet like you don’t love her

By Ernest Hardy
Thursday, May 6, 2004 - 12:00 am



That article is dead on in so many ways.
The description of Janet's DJ now fits 20YO and Justin held on to the suit and tie for what is now FS/LS.
Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off
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Reply #31 posted 09/21/06 11:14am

Harlepolis

It takes a BLACK nipple to cause such a chaos and disorder in this great DemoCrazy we call USA lol

The OLD intimidation of black sexuality(esp black female sexuality) is still a live subject(altho somewhat buried) whether we try to patronize it or not. And it takes an incident like this to wake up "those old feelings" in mainstream AmeriKKKa.

I know somebody will jump on my throat and try to make it seem like "the fiasco was becoz it was done in a Family TV network".

But the Family TV network also gloryfied the Britney+Maddy kiss and nobody said jack lol

As always, It seems that publicly sexual black female artists aren't a threat as long as they don't get exposed to White America(In short; stay in their place),,,,but its HELL ON EARTH when they crossover(at least as far as USA concern).

And thats exactly why Millie Jackson's profile is still very low-key.

P.S. Counting the minutes till I get lynched for my post lol
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Reply #32 posted 09/21/06 11:14am

Isel

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Isel said:



Well, I just wish he had stepped-up--or been more vocal about defending Janet. Didn't he attend the Grammy's right after the incident on condition he apologize? Janet refused to go or something.

I don't remember exactly. But he could have been more vocal in his defense and at least accepted some responsibility for "agreeing" to do the reveal or stunt (if that what it really was) in the first place.


How about full responsibility? People want to talk about Janet, lets talk about him. I honestly believe it was his idea. "Gonna have you naked by the end of this song" Those aren't Janet's lyrics, it's his.

It was his song, his performance, his hand ripping the piece off. This is getting retarded, if was Janet creative team's idea, she tricked him, Janet was stupid for agreeing, that's bullshit.



Maybe? I don't really know. The only thing is I think Janet's creative team might have been responsible for choreographing the entire SB performance. In other words, they choreographed Justin's "movement" as well as Janet's.

I don't know really. You might be absolutely right. I do agree that Justin should have stepped-up to the plate a bit more. I know he attended the Grammy's. I think he was up for some awards? He could have taken a stand.. a very risky one--no doubt. But sometimes a person has to take a stand for a friend. I'm sure he was advised just to go, but Justin was in a position to have some leverage since he was up for awards. He could have made a statement in support of Janet. I know I'm being idealistic because is sure a tough choice to make--putting a career on the line or backing-up a friend. Well, he chose his career. Well... it was a bad situation for sure. But it speaks to his character.

It's over now.
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Reply #33 posted 09/21/06 11:31am

iconsweat

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It's over now.


ha (sarcasm)
"when Im in those arms of yours I'm so gone"-With U/Janet
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Reply #34 posted 09/21/06 11:43am

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First off, thank you Harlepolis for saying what I was thinking. I'm not in the mood to go there today but its true.
Second off, that was not a career-ending move for Justin. When you co-conspire to pull a stunt like this you don't "cut-and-run" as some would say. Justin's a bitch. Its a shame that Janet and Lil' Kim have more balls than a lot of dudes these days. All this weasel had to do was wait a little while and put out another record and Amerikkka loves him again. sad I'm digressing...I promise i am.
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Reply #35 posted 09/21/06 11:47am

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I cant understand why people think it was intentional?

Doesn't anyone own a tivo? If you record'd the event you would have seen the shock on her face. When Timberfake ripped off the metal.. and exposed her breast JANET looked SHOCKED.. and it wasnt like "I am pretending to be shocked" LOOK.. It was genuine.. like "What the hell did this mofo do"

Janet had been wearing that piercing since TVR days.. which would have been about 7 yrs prior to the whole fiasco. She even discussed those piercings when she appeared on OPRAH in the ninties..

It was an accident. She didn't need that attention becuz she was already on top of her game. I think she was hurt by the reaction and apologized becuz she is a humble person and didnt wanna offend anyone.

Now if it was Madonna whose breast pop'd out.. I wonder if the reaction would have been the same? I dont think so. Cuz AMERICA was more offended that a black breast was exposed.. People in Texas were actually calling the police to have her arrested. This is was bananas.. It shows the "State of the world today"

Some thing's never change.
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Reply #36 posted 09/21/06 11:54am

TommyRoss

Harlepolis said:

The OLD intimidation of black sexuality(esp black female sexuality) is still a live subject(altho somewhat buried) whether we try to patronize it or not. And it takes an incident like this to wake up "those old feelings" in mainstream AmeriKKKa.

I know somebody will jump on my throat and try to make it seem like "the fiasco was becoz it was done in a Family TV network".

But the Family TV network also gloryfied the Britney+Maddy kiss and nobody said jack lol

I agree with you to a point - there are sexual (and "sexual") behaviors that are still taboo for one odd reason or another and unfortunately, sexuality in black women is still a no-no for TV audiences. Hell, it's not even seen that often in movies, and intimacy between black couples on TV is still a rarity.

That said, I think the majority of the uproar was due to the fact that a boobie was shown on TV. It certainly was more alarming for a lot of folks that it was a black woman, but nudity in general on network television is pretty much forbidden.

Nobody said anything about Madonna and Britney kissing? Come on! lol I couldn't get away from it for months, and there were no FCC violations around that. The "scandal" around it certainly died quicker, but that was because there was no nudity involved. The Superbowl incident always reminded me a lot of the uproar of the Justify My Love video...and that was on a cable network.
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Reply #37 posted 09/21/06 12:02pm

Harlepolis

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Nobody said anything about Madonna and Britney kissing? Come on! lol I couldn't get away from it for months, and there were no FCC violations around that. The "scandal" around it certainly died quicker, but that was because there was no nudity involved. The Superbowl incident always reminded me a lot of the uproar of the Justify My Love video...and that was on a cable network.


Oh yes, there's alot of talk alright. There's alot of talk of "Madonna being her usual daring self" same goes for her moves when she did Erotica and the "sex book"(it was promoted in such mainstreamt family-oriented TV programs such as Good Morning America).

We're talking about the same woman who turned around and made a "children storybook" which she got the same praise as she did for that sex book, how in the deepest hell? Beats me lol
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Reply #38 posted 09/21/06 12:07pm

JackieBlue

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It all boils down to one thing: Fear of a Black Boob
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Reply #39 posted 09/21/06 12:07pm

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Actual boobie footage - about .8 second.
Boobie media coverage, replay and internet exposure - months.

I like Sommore's take on Janet upstaging Beyonce. Its too funny:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...iGIsAKu1b8
it starts at about 5:34 in. She's somewhat of an authority on boobies, herself. wink
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Reply #40 posted 09/21/06 12:14pm

jayaredee

Harlepolis said:

TommyRoss said:

Nobody said anything about Madonna and Britney kissing? Come on! lol I couldn't get away from it for months, and there were no FCC violations around that. The "scandal" around it certainly died quicker, but that was because there was no nudity involved. The Superbowl incident always reminded me a lot of the uproar of the Justify My Love video...and that was on a cable network.


Oh yes, there's alot of talk alright. There's alot of talk of "Madonna being her usual daring self" same goes for her moves when she did Erotica and the "sex book"(it was promoted in such mainstreamt family-oriented TV programs such as Good Morning America).

We're talking about the same woman who turned around and made a "children storybook" which she got the same praise as she did for that sex book, how in the deepest hell? Beats me lol


What bullshit. Obviously you were paying attention to the 2 good out of 200 reviews she got. Nobody called her "daring" as you're suggesting. They said she was an old washed up tart trying to leach off Britney to save her failing career.

As far as Erotica/Sex book is concerned...she lost about 3/4 of her album sales from previous sales got tons of bad publicity, lost radio airplay and got called every name in the book from publications of all walks of life.

But it seems you'd rather be ignorant of those facts just to make Janet seem like a more persecuted human being.
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Reply #41 posted 09/21/06 12:18pm

VANITYSprisonB
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Oh please. rolleyes

Just come clean already and say it was planned, but you didn't think the backlash would be so huge. Typical taurus--sticking to her story even though it's wrong.


HEY NOW! I'm a Taurus and I'm never wrong! razz

peace
Every minute of last night is on my face today....
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Reply #42 posted 09/21/06 12:22pm

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VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

sextonseven said:

Oh please. rolleyes

Just come clean already and say it was planned, but you didn't think the backlash would be so huge. Typical taurus--sticking to her story even though it's wrong.


HEY NOW! I'm a Taurus and I'm never wrong! razz

peace


Same here! smile
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Reply #43 posted 09/21/06 12:28pm

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YTCH

sextonseven said:

VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:



HEY NOW! I'm a Taurus and I'm never wrong! razz

peace


Same here! smile



But we're stubborn as hell arent we?! lol


peace
Every minute of last night is on my face today....
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Reply #44 posted 09/21/06 1:26pm

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TommyRoss said:

sextonseven said:

Typical taurus Jackson --sticking to her story even though it's wrong.


thumbs up! biggrin


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Reply #45 posted 09/21/06 1:37pm

Martinelli

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Some o u people really r idiots...

Who cares if the tit was black..I mean It was just ugly as fuck..
that's all i saw..One ugly titty...
...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart...
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Reply #46 posted 09/21/06 1:52pm

Scorpion

It was clearly planned.

Some supernatual force didn't takeover Justin's body causing him to suddenly rip her costume. I don't buy that red bra shit because the blown up pictures show there was only red lacing at the hem of the bra. How anti-climatic would it have been if Justin ripped off that small piece only revealing one side of a freakin' bra? Then, what about Justin's comments shortly thereafter leaving the stage saying "We just love giving you guys something to talking about!" He told on himself.They planned it...end of. Janet just wasn't prepared for that kind of backlash. I bet if it got a positive reception, she'd be owning up to it.
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tho' I battled blind
love is a fate resigned
memories mar my mind
love it is a fate resigned

Over futile odds
and laughed at by the Gods
and now the final frame
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Reply #47 posted 09/21/06 1:58pm

Scorpion

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First of all, I'm not one of those "pure, holy than thou, classy" types. I enjoyed the hell out of looking at Janet's nipple, and women's tits and ass, period. If you don't like sexually, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ON A PRINCE WEB SITE? But I do believe it was planned, but I believe it was Timberlake's idea, Janet went along with it. What do I point the finger at him, think about it, it was his performance, he wrote the lyrics to Rock Your Body including "gonna have you naked by the end of this song". It's common sense, all Janet did was "dance" around him and wait for the moment to come for him to pull the piece off her dress. Of course Janet's not innocence, she was dumb enough to participate in that shit, but to lay the blame squarely on her is stupid. I would understand it if she did a strip tease, and took off the piece herself, but that's not the case. I still think to this day Timberlake is a punk-bitch for letting his partner, yes partner, take the blame.

But the media need to stop frontin, that moment only lasted less than 2 seconds at the most. Nobody probably saw it live, and if they did, it wasn't long enough to recognize. But the media showed the moment on TV over and over again, and played it in slow motion. But I love it. Keep it comin.


Nope, Janet already admitted it was HER idea to change the performance at the last minute. She informed Justin about it, unfortunately they never had a chance to rehearse it. Justin actually turned down the offer to perform at Superbowl, until Janet talked him into participating.
tho' I battled blind
love is a fate resigned
memories mar my mind
love it is a fate resigned

Over futile odds
and laughed at by the Gods
and now the final frame
Love is a losing game
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Reply #48 posted 09/21/06 2:07pm

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sextonseven said:

Oh please. rolleyes

Just come clean already and say it was planned, but you didn't think the backlash would be so huge. Typical taurus--sticking to her story even though it's wrong.


Gonna have to agree with this. The damn outfit top (the black part) was one of those tear away thingys with snaps or velcro. Now maybe the bra wasn't supposed to come off too, but it did. It was her (and JT's for agreeing to the stunt) bad.
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Reply #49 posted 09/21/06 2:37pm

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whoknows said:

I swear there's something in the DNA of modern pop tarts that just makes them all complete fucking liars. The only one I've ever heard who doesn't sound like she's perpetrating a scam all the time is Kylie Minogue.


thumbs up!
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Reply #50 posted 09/21/06 2:39pm

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lilgish said:

Of couse she regrets it, she apologized and she still can't get on Mtv.


Screw ViaCON for that bullshyt!
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Reply #51 posted 09/21/06 2:42pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

She may be a liar but it beats being a coward like Justin TimberFAKE. Dude bitched up when he should have been right there behind her. Its always the "Janet fiasco" and not the "Janet and Justin fiasco". That says something about this country but I'll digress rather than go into angry blaque man mode about it. Dude will forever be a bitch to me.


Don't blame Justin by himself. Blame his mother and lawyers for telling him to stop bragging about the stunt and start backing away from the controversy so Janet can take the fall alone.
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Reply #52 posted 09/21/06 2:48pm

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Ellie said:

I lost a bit of repsect for her when she made that lame apology. Who the hell was she apologising to?


The FCC and the (mostly) white parents that had issues with the halftime show in general (besides Janet & Justin).

Sorry if I played the race card too easily there. But a lot of black people that I talk to about THAT halfshow thought THIS was a easier pill to take than the Madonna/Britney/Christina hot lesbian action on the MTV VMA.
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Reply #53 posted 09/21/06 2:49pm

Isel

Can I ask ya'll a question: why would Janet flat-out lie on Oprah about it being an accident if other people could prove that she's lying?? See that's why I don't understand.

I remember seeing the bra with the lace trim,too, but I was thinking maybe another larger piece fell-off?

The only thing that I really don't understand is why would lie on national television time and time again, if there are people who know the truth--like Justin even--who could easily discredit her even by mistake?
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Reply #54 posted 09/21/06 2:57pm

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She said on that radio show the other week that she couldn't discuss it for legal reasons - when she was playing the game when she had to truthfully answer every question. There are continuing court cases (I know, ridiculous, isn't it?) going on with the FCC. Anything Janet says on TV concerning the incident can land her in deep shit.
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Reply #55 posted 09/21/06 3:03pm

Isel

Ellie said:

She said on that radio show the other week that she couldn't discuss it for legal reasons - when she was playing the game when she had to truthfully answer every question. There are continuing court cases (I know, ridiculous, isn't it?) going on with the FCC. Anything Janet says on TV concerning the incident can land her in deep shit.


So do you think she would lie about the incident being an accident due to legal reasons? Yeah.. maybe I guess since she was emphatic about it being an accident in the first place. Maybe she could be held libel if she admitted it were a stunt, and maybe CBS/MTV might sue her for damages if they didn't know this is what she were planning? Because to me, sure someone could sue the networks, but they could also turn around and sue her? I don't know. I'm just asking.

Yeah.. that's a good point.
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Reply #56 posted 09/21/06 3:03pm

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Heres the first thing about this whole Superbowl issue. First of all, it was a planned thing, the scapegoating and blame games that went on were both Janet and Justins doing. Honestly niether one should have said a single word, since when do you apologize for your performance. I mean we are not talking about concert goers getting crushed and killed at a WHO concert, then alright, make apologies, but really who did Janet offend? The Superbowl crowd? which is 90% male, and most read magazines like Maxim/King/Fhm etc.. and then of course a Sports Illustrated issue where this is nothing but T&A, and of course we cant forget the cheerleaders half/naked during halftime shows, so in this respect CBS was the main problem, for caving in on this issue, but then janet was wrong for committing the worst sin as a performer and apologizing. I mean did Britney/Madonna apologize for their kiss, lets be real, this is all a game to spark sales, use media, and keep your name in the spotlight.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #57 posted 09/21/06 3:11pm

Isel

lastdecember said:

Heres the first thing about this whole Superbowl issue. First of all, it was a planned thing, the scapegoating and blame games that went on were both Janet and Justins doing. Honestly niether one should have said a single word, since when do you apologize for your performance. I mean we are not talking about concert goers getting crushed and killed at a WHO concert, then alright, make apologies, but really who did Janet offend? The Superbowl crowd? which is 90% male, and most read magazines like Maxim/King/Fhm etc.. and then of course a Sports Illustrated issue where this is nothing but T&A, and of course we cant forget the cheerleaders half/naked during halftime shows, so in this respect CBS was the main problem, for caving in on this issue, but then janet was wrong for committing the worst sin as a performer and apologizing. I mean did Britney/Madonna apologize for their kiss, lets be real, this is all a game to spark sales, use media, and keep your name in the spotlight.


I definitely agree. All parties should have just kept quiet--accident or not-- for the reasons you stated.

But do you think Janet looks bad now for seeming to lie about it? It's like of public figures who are caught in a lie: sometimes the lie itself is worse than the offense.

I think some people are starting to lose trust in Janet for a variety of reasons. She's been rumored to not be telling the truth about things before--of course her marriage Rene being a perfect example. I don't recall anyone asking her point blank if she were married to Rene though--or at least no one asked very often. He was just always in the background.

So you all think it's a big deal for Janet to be lying about the Super Bowl incident?
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Reply #58 posted 09/21/06 3:19pm

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Celebrities don't owe the public the truth about their private lives. The public has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement with regards to celebrities that has been nourished by the media and the rag mags and celeb shows. Its her right NOT to tell the truth about her marriage if she chooses to do so. As for the Stuperbowl, ITS DONE.
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Reply #59 posted 09/21/06 3:25pm

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Anybody whom doesn't think it was planned is crazy! Just how many clothes in the U.S. are held together with velcro?
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