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PrintableBlaqueKnight said: Celebrities don't owe the public the truth about their private lives. The public has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement with regards to celebrities that has been nourished by the media and the rag mags and celeb shows. Its her right NOT to tell the truth about her marriage if she chooses to do so. As for the Stuperbowl, ITS DONE.
I definitely agree with you about the marriage situation. But I guess what I'm trying to get at is what is the big deal for some people if she is lying about the Super Bowl ? And I agree it's a done deal now and old news. But some appeared to be concerned that she's might be lying about it on Oprah--by insisting it was an accident? Do people think that she should just come-out and admit it wasn't an accident--that it was planned? [Edited 9/21/06 15:31pm] | |
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Isel said: lastdecember said: Heres the first thing about this whole Superbowl issue. First of all, it was a planned thing, the scapegoating and blame games that went on were both Janet and Justins doing. Honestly niether one should have said a single word, since when do you apologize for your performance. I mean we are not talking about concert goers getting crushed and killed at a WHO concert, then alright, make apologies, but really who did Janet offend? The Superbowl crowd? which is 90% male, and most read magazines like Maxim/King/Fhm etc.. and then of course a Sports Illustrated issue where this is nothing but T&A, and of course we cant forget the cheerleaders half/naked during halftime shows, so in this respect CBS was the main problem, for caving in on this issue, but then janet was wrong for committing the worst sin as a performer and apologizing. I mean did Britney/Madonna apologize for their kiss, lets be real, this is all a game to spark sales, use media, and keep your name in the spotlight.
I definitely agree. All parties should have just kept quiet--accident or not-- for the reasons you stated. But do you think Janet looks bad now for seeming to lie about it? It's like of public figures who are caught in a lie: sometimes the lie itself is worse than the offense. I think some people are starting to lose trust in Janet for a variety of reasons. She's been rumored to not be telling the truth about things before--of course her marriage Rene being a perfect example. I don't recall anyone asking her point blank if she were married to Rene though--or at least no one asked very often. He was just always in the background. So you all think it's a big deal for Janet to be lying about the Super Bowl incident? I just think she just should have kept quiet about it, i think the public knows it wasnt an accident, and that she and justin were well aware of what was going on, as was pointed out the other night when Letterman made timberlake squrim a bit when questioned. But i think she/ or whoever told her it was a good idea to apologize was just not thinking straight, she was taking a page out of her brothers book by apologizing for a video or a performance, and in retrospect i think it was worse to speak about it, it gave it more weight. But what i am seeing with the public is that there always has to be a good guy and bad guy in these situations, and usually the female takes the brunt of it, i mean Justin ended up better than janet for this, and also looking at Nick and Jessica, Nick has been made to look like this wounded man who got dumped and Jessica the bad person, when it was Lachey who was dating Vanessa Minnillo and Kim Kardashian before the divorce was even filed, but he went on TV and cried and said he loved Jessica, and america bought it up, it seems we buy into alot of lies in these times. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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I think people would like to hear her say it but I understand why she has to say what she does. Everybody would be trying to sue her saying that it caused their kids mental distress and bullshit like that. Plus, there's not telling what kind of litigation went or still may be going on with regards to this matter. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: I think people would like to hear her say it but I understand why she has to say what she does. Everybody would be trying to sue her saying that it caused their kids mental distress and bullshit like that. Plus, there's not telling what kind of litigation went or still may be going on with regards to this matter.
I understand what you are saying, it still kills me that people are waiting to sue because it harmed their kids or something like that, when im sure almost no kids were even watching. I mean i just think these events, especially football are aimed at guys and sex. I mean look at the superbowl commercials, 99% of them are some girl washing her car in a bikini or less, or Paris Hilton eating a hamburger while getting shot with a waterhose, I mean really, its such a double standard "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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NEVER A TRUER WORD SAID
BlaqueKnight said: That's what's wrong with this country these days. The glorification of bitch ass men. There is a fine line between "sensitive" and "pussy". M.2.K
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lastdecember said: BlaqueKnight said: I think people would like to hear her say it but I understand why she has to say what she does. Everybody would be trying to sue her saying that it caused their kids mental distress and bullshit like that. Plus, there's not telling what kind of litigation went or still may be going on with regards to this matter.
I understand what you are saying, it still kills me that people are waiting to sue because it harmed their kids or something like that, when im sure almost no kids were even watching. I mean i just think these events, especially football are aimed at guys and sex. I mean look at the superbowl commercials, 99% of them are some girl washing her car in a bikini or less, or Paris Hilton eating a hamburger while getting shot with a waterhose, I mean really, its such a double standard I agree that Janet is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't "tell the truth." Yeah, it's a no win situation. And I also agree about people wanting her to say it was a stunt, but Janet is sort of backed into a corner on that one. And I agree about the double standard, too. Outside of the commercials, just look at some of the cheerleader costumes: boobs are bouncing everywhere-- just a bounce away from popping-out. lol No... the whole thing was a complete over-reaction. And I still feel badly for Janet because I'm not so sure her career is going to recover--at that's sad. It's like she has to be perfect and conform to the image the public wants, and she's not going to do that. I understand all the criticism about her sexed-up image. But the deal is that if suddenly changed--just to try to appease her critics well it would be like she was admitting defeat. In a way, she's in a no-win situation on many levels. [Edited 9/21/06 16:29pm] | |
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Too bad that wasn't me on that superbowl stage cuz I would have told the nation to  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Isel said: lastdecember said: I understand what you are saying, it still kills me that people are waiting to sue because it harmed their kids or something like that, when im sure almost no kids were even watching. I mean i just think these events, especially football are aimed at guys and sex. I mean look at the superbowl commercials, 99% of them are some girl washing her car in a bikini or less, or Paris Hilton eating a hamburger while getting shot with a waterhose, I mean really, its such a double standard I agree that Janet is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't "tell the truth." Yeah, it's a no win situation. And I also agree about people wanting her to say it was a stunt, but Janet is sort of backed into a corner on that one. And I agree about the double standard, too. Outside of the commercials, just look at some of the cheerleader costumes: boobs are bouncing everywhere-- just a bounce away from popping-out. lol No... the whole thing was a complete over-reaction. And I still feel badly for Janet because I'm not so sure her career is going to recover--at that's sad. It's like she has to be perfect and conform to the image the public wants, and she's not going to do that. I understand all the criticism about her sexed-up image. But the deal is that if suddenly changed--just to try to appease her critics well it would be like she was admitting defeat. In a way, she's in a no-win situation on many levels. [Edited 9/21/06 16:29pm] I think Janet would be best served, by trying to steer clear of this issue, and when it is presented to her, to just say honestly what she feels, and talk about the double standard in America with men and women and sex issues. There always has to be a scapegoat in a situation, i mean look at RB/POP singer Cassie, the whole issue of her sounding horrible live on a tv show, and yet almost everyone on that show sounds bad and everyone in her genre/age group sounds pretty bad live, so of course the blame the person and not the problem. I think janet is in a bad spot mainly because she is a "jackson", to be real if that were one girls from Danity Kane and her boob came out, it would have been news for about a week if even. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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First of all, none of us really thought Janet was sorry anyways. Second, I don't think Nipplegate was a career killer. I think all the sucky music Janet's made was the career killer. Third shut the fuck up already Janet. It was years ago. Justin was a punk ass bitch for what he did, more to blame than Janet, but Janet let this guy rip off part of her clothing. | |
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Only in America could a white boy pull out a Black woman's breast, then cry rape and get away w/ that ish. Punk. | |
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As someone who experience wearing leather corsets, and patten leather corests, and vinyl corsets, and whatever kind of corest you can think of. (the joys of drag) The breastpiece had to be made to come off. The type of material that is used to make those isn't just going to rip with a single pull.... remember they are designed as fetish wear by people who beat each other up as they are having sex. and yes i have seen them in action... those of you in the bay area can check on it this weekend at Folsom Street
It was planned... just as planned as Madonna's kiss... Madonna's SEX book, Madonna's Justify My Love. Remember back to 1990 we were in the throws of the first Gulf war and Madonna was headline news they even had a speical Nightline for her to defend her position. Erotica was considered a comerical flop even though it sold 3million much lower then Like A Prayer. She failed to get any number one singles again until Take A Bow after Erotica/SEX. She was on every news show, talk show, magaizne with people declaring her carear over. The difference? Madonna didn't get her breasts out on National Network TV, and the political climate was different. Remember this administration has replaced people at the CDC who have degrees in Health and Human Services with Bibilcal Scholars and preachers who are against anything other than Absitance Only Eductation. It was a stupid move to do considering the climate of the Nation. It's not about black or white or red it's who's in control of the country... Puritcical lets save the children from sex so we can send them to war to die. Had it happened 13 years ago with the janet. album it wouldn't have been an issue. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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isthisdadawn said: I cant understand why people think it was intentional?
Doesn't anyone own a tivo? If you record'd the event you would have seen the shock on her face. When Timberfake ripped off the metal.. and exposed her breast JANET looked SHOCKED.. and it wasnt like "I am pretending to be shocked" LOOK.. It was genuine.. like "What the hell did this mofo do" Janet had been wearing that piercing since TVR days.. which would have been about 7 yrs prior to the whole fiasco. She even discussed those piercings when she appeared on OPRAH in the ninties.. It was an accident. She didn't need that attention becuz she was already on top of her game. I think she was hurt by the reaction and apologized becuz she is a humble person and didnt wanna offend anyone. Now if it was Madonna whose breast pop'd out.. I wonder if the reaction would have been the same? I dont think so. Cuz AMERICA was more offended that a black breast was exposed.. People in Texas were actually calling the police to have her arrested. This is was bananas.. It shows the "State of the world today" Some thing's never change. I used to think it was an accident until someone posted this pic on this same board in another thread: 
red cloth sewed to leather part,come on J how were we NOT supposed to see your breast? But I agree people should move on, had this happened in Europe people would have been like: yeah that was fun, next,nudity is so common on tv here(well in France at least),here women go on beaches topless with their own kids around and them not giving a rat's ass! [Edited 9/21/06 22:33pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Celebrities don't owe the public the truth about their private lives. The public has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement with regards to celebrities that has been nourished by the media and the rag mags and celeb shows. Its her right NOT to tell the truth about her marriage if she chooses to do so. As for the Stuperbowl, ITS DONE. I totally
agree that's why i'm not mad at her for not telling us about her marriage with Rene and pretending Nipplegate was an accident. [Edited 9/21/06 22:32pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: She may be a liar but it beats being a coward like Justin TimberFAKE. Dude bitched up when he should have been right there behind her. Its always the "Janet fiasco" and not the "Janet and Justin fiasco". That says something about this country but I'll digress rather than go into angry blaque man mode about it. Dude will forever be a bitch to me.
I agree,Justin really showed what a big pussy he is....wimping out and appearing on the Grammys with his mother a week later,trying to act like he's all wholesome and innocent  What a fuckin' jerk! But,in a way,this is what Janet gets for collaborating with a loser like that.
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BlaqueKnight said: People blew this whole thing way out of proportion and Janet got scared when they started talking about suing her and taking money (as any rich person woould). At least she stood her ground for a little while. I knew she wasn't sorry when she apologized and I'm glad she's saying she wasn't now. Justin BITCHED UP and tried to front like it wasn't his hand that ripped the cloth from her top. 0 respect points for that. He ran. Coward. It was a great publicity stunt that only went wrong because the media played the scandalous angle instead of the attention whore angle they were hoping for. America is full of hypocrites anyway. Pretending to be offended by a boob flash that lasted all of one second while spending most of the time on the internet surfing for porn. We demonize a woman's body and yet we all came from women and a tit is as natural as a hand. Every woman has them. Any woman defending Justin is the kind of female who would date a dude who would run from a fight when another guy is threatening her. That's what's wrong with this country these days. The glorification of bitch ass men. There is a fine line between "sensitive" and "pussy". As far as I'm concerned, Justin can put on Janet's break-away bra. Dude's a itchbay.
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Scorpion said: It was clearly planned.
Some supernatual force didn't takeover Justin's body causing him to suddenly rip her costume. I don't buy that red bra shit because the blown up pictures show there was only red lacing at the hem of the bra. How anti-climatic would it have been if Justin ripped off that small piece only revealing one side of a freakin' bra? Then, what about Justin's comments shortly thereafter leaving the stage saying "We just love giving you guys something to talking about!" He told on himself.They planned it...end of. Janet just wasn't prepared for that kind of backlash. I bet if it got a positive reception, she'd be owning up to it.  interesting viewpoint. | |
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Who cares if it was planned or an accident? Who cares who's idea it was? The fact is the whole thing got blown way out of proportion. It was a tit. And a fake one at that, with the nipple mostly hidden by a huge guard. That's nothing to shield the innocents from.
As an example of how badly the whole thing was blown out of proportion, lemme tell you this little story. The incident happened during my last year of high school. Every year my school has an airband competition. (basically, air guitar and lipsynching to music with touches of humour, and the most entertaining act wins) Two of the groups who entered had Jackson-related humour. One had a boy in drag as Janet miming the TittyFreakOut incident with another boy dressed as Timberlake. The other entry had one boy dressed as Michael, and a few others dressed as little kids, showing what's supposed have gone on at the Neverland Ranch. Guess which group got banned from the competition? If you guessed Michael, you'd be wrong. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Yeah, I think the thing with ripping Janet's bra off was planned, no doubt!
But I dont think they were planning on the major backlash from the public and the FCC I havent liked Justin everysince! | |
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meow85 said: Who cares if it was planned or an accident? Who cares who's idea it was? The fact is the whole thing got blown way out of proportion. It was a tit. And a fake one at that, with the nipple mostly hidden by a huge guard. That's nothing to shield the innocents from.
As an example of how badly the whole thing was blown out of proportion, lemme tell you this little story. The incident happened during my last year of high school. Every year my school has an airband competition. (basically, air guitar and lipsynching to music with touches of humour, and the most entertaining act wins) Two of the groups who entered had Jackson-related humour. One had a boy in drag as Janet miming the TittyFreakOut incident with another boy dressed as Timberlake. The other entry had one boy dressed as Michael, and a few others dressed as little kids, showing what's supposed have gone on at the Neverland Ranch. Guess which group got banned from the competition? If you guessed Michael, you'd be wrong. Probably, because Janet thing happened infront of millions of people. Whereas MJ was all about "He said this" or " he Did this", there is no concrete evidence with MJ. It's not like there are any R.Kelly type videos floating around on the net. All in all the whole Janet thing was blown out of order, especially when you think of the nasty things Madonna has got up to over the years. I personally think the over-reaction was to do with her being a Jackson. Don't forget at the same time MJ was awaiting trial for child-abuse. It was like they couldn't have more than one Jackson at a time being "Scandalous". [Edited 9/22/06 3:53am] | |
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Thriller81 said: But the media need to stop frontin, that moment only lasted less than 2 seconds at the most. Nobody probably saw it live,...
Yeah right - I mean its not like a lot of people would have been home that day watching the SuperBowl - really how many viewers were watching TV that day?  Its not like JJ picked a really big TV event to flash people - its just a little football game. | |
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Stymie said: First of all, none of us really thought Janet was sorry anyways. Second, I don't think Nipplegate was a career killer. I think all the sucky music Janet's made was the career killer. Third shut the fuck up already Janet. It was years ago. Justin was a punk ass bitch for what he did, more to blame than Janet, but Janet let this guy rip off part of her clothing.
I asked this question in another thread, so I'm being more rhetorical with this one: what I don't understand is exactly what type of music do people, particularly her former fans, expect from Janet? As I said in that thread, I know that Janet has read--or is at least aware of-- all of the criticisms about her image and her music. It's impossible for her not to know. But like I said earlier, I don't think Janet is going to back down from doing what she wants to change to appease ANYONE except maybe someone like JD or her team.She probably rather not sell anything than look like she is caving-in to public criticism. But then again, I also think that the public just won't give the woman a break. It's like Janet has to have this poignant, deep-felt OR completely innovative cd for people to even be impressed by it. It's like her music has to be a masterpiece or something completely different for people to take notice. I sometimes think we have higher expectations of her, and for each release, those expectations even get higher because she is 40, after all, and should be doing something more substantial or something? And she did bare her breast so she should have learned from that mistake, too?? Honestly, I think that Janet is a victim of ageism as well as all of the other isms being discussed in this thread. I think that happens to a lot of female pop artists as they age--very much like what happens to actresses. Sure we could make a case for Madonna because I think when Madonna was turning 40, didn't she release Ray of Light? Well now I guess Janet is expected to make a Ray of Light-type of cd in order to be taken seriously? Well, maybe she doesn't want to do that. Madonna has already done that anyway. And maybe she doesn't want to be as overtly defiant as the Dixie Chicks either--who interestly have also gotten their share of criticism for exploiting their controversy in a way. I really believe that Janet would have been accused of the same thing--even more so. Very few people would have taken her seriously even if she did decide to "speak-out" through her music. Critics would have said that she's not taking responsibility for her actions or something. So I still say that Janet is really in a no-win situation. So at least as far as her interviews are concerned, I also agree with this statement: I think Janet would be best served, by trying to steer clear of this issue, and when it is presented to her, to just say honestly what she feels, and talk about the double standard in America with men and women and sex issues. There always has to be a scapegoat in a situation, i mean look at RB/POP singer Cassie, the whole issue of her sounding horrible live on a tv show, and yet almost everyone on that show sounds bad and everyone in her genre/age group sounds pretty bad live, so of course the blame the person and not the problem. I think janet is in a bad spot mainly because she is a "jackson", to be real if that were one girls from Danity Kane and her boob came out, it would have been news for about a week if even.
Yes.. I think it would be better to just address the SB incident by discussing the real social issues in this country--the fact that double-standards do exist. That's something all of us women, in particular, can relate to. What happened to Janet is just an example of a larger problem. | |
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jayaredee said:[quote] Harlepolis said: But it seems you'd rather be ignorant of those facts just to make Janet seem like a more persecuted human being.
Both women can go to hell as far as I'm concern. And who the hell am I to be talking about FACTS? That was my opinion, don't get it twisted. There maybe a lil' backlash(thats what controversy is all about) but she was praised more than dissed. | |
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Isel said: Thriller81 said: Jesus Christ, you guys are really making Justin Timberlake look good and innocent.
[Edited 9/21/06 10:55am] Well, I just wish he had stepped-up--or been more vocal about defending Janet. Didn't he attend the Grammy's right after the incident on condition he apologize? Janet refused to go or something. I don't remember exactly. But he could have been more vocal in his defense and at least accepted some responsibility for "agreeing" to do the reveal or stunt (if that what it really was) in the first place. EXACTLY. And furthermore, if it had been planned, I think Justin would have said so to save his own ass. | |
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Whether it was planned or not, Justin shouldn't have hung her out
to dry. That was some straight punk shit. I never was a justin fan anyway with or without NSync. The R&B fans and market should hang him out to dry but everyone has their perogative whether to support justin or not. I never liked the pretty mofo anyway. Don't laugh at my funk
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SoulAlive said: BlaqueKnight said: People blew this whole thing way out of proportion and Janet got scared when they started talking about suing her and taking money (as any rich person woould). At least she stood her ground for a little while. I knew she wasn't sorry when she apologized and I'm glad she's saying she wasn't now. Justin BITCHED UP and tried to front like it wasn't his hand that ripped the cloth from her top. 0 respect points for that. He ran. Coward. It was a great publicity stunt that only went wrong because the media played the scandalous angle instead of the attention whore angle they were hoping for. America is full of hypocrites anyway. Pretending to be offended by a boob flash that lasted all of one second while spending most of the time on the internet surfing for porn. We demonize a woman's body and yet we all came from women and a tit is as natural as a hand. Every woman has them. Any woman defending Justin is the kind of female who would date a dude who would run from a fight when another guy is threatening her. That's what's wrong with this country these days. The glorification of bitch ass men. There is a fine line between "sensitive" and "pussy". As far as I'm concerned, Justin can put on Janet's break-away bra. Dude's a itchbay.
you tell em,BK!! I'm agreeing with everything you're saying to say that the superbowl performance was blown out of proportion is a understatement.. im sure most watching tv game didn't even know that it happened... i was sitting in a room full of dudes and nobody even noticed it except me... i said to then did you guys just see that ? and nobody knew what the fuck i was talking about ... until i replayed it on Tivo..... so i gree with you BK | |
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phunkdaddy said: Whether it was planned or not, Justin shouldn't have hung her out
to dry. That was some straight punk shit. I never was a justin fan anyway with or without NSync. The R&B fans and market should hang him out to dry but everyone has their perogative whether to support justin or not. I never liked the pretty mofo anyway. yeah seems like most on here wanna give him a free pass.. | |
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As usual BK and Harlepolis and many others are holding it down in this thread. Can you imagne what the reaction would have been if the races of the two performers were reversed? A brotha doing what Twigstream did on stage would have conjured up images straight out of Birth of a Nation.
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purpledusk971 said:
red cloth sewed to leather part,come on J how were we NOT supposed to see your breast? I wish Oprah would have shown this pic and asked her exactly that! | |
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no one going to talk about the Political climate and how that effected the whole ordeal?!?
are we just going to focus on who's fault it was? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: As usual BK and Harlepolis and many others are holding it down in this thread. Can you imagne what the reaction would have been if the races of the two performers were reversed? A brotha doing what Twigstream did on stage would have conjured up images straight out of Birth of a Nation.
[Edited 9/22/06 20:00pm] I agreed with that one! and folks were already outrage too over Nicole Sheridan and Terrell Owens incident as well. What cracks me up is Terrell is the one ended up apologising for something I dont see wrong. | |
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