Yesterday I ran into a couple friends, one of which is a Harvey whore and the other a Tori whore and I asked them what they thought of Kylie and they both [b]love her This chick has some pretty broad appeal apparently.
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The problem in the States with Kylie was she started at the same time as Debbie Gibson and Tiffany and was lumped in with them.
She went off and progressed in the same way as all music in Europe did. That kind of music is not popular here so she was never able to maintain the comeback that Can't Get You Out of My Head gave her. However i think because of her personality and her overall cuteness and approachable factor she appeals to lots of people. You don't get the same knee jerk reaction from her as you would Madonna. Madonna is a love her or loathe her situation. And most people even though they may not like Kylie's music they love her as a person. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Yesterday I ran into a couple friends, one of which is a Harvey whore and the other a Tori whore and I asked them what they thought of Kylie and they both love her This chick has some pretty broad appeal apparently.
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CalhounSq said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Yesterday I ran into a couple friends, one of which is a Harvey whore and the other a Tori whore and I asked them what they thought of Kylie and they both love her This chick has some pretty broad appeal apparently.
CalhounSq's most popular thread was a Kylie thread NO FAIR!! You have no idea how hard I was laughin when you came back a couple weeks later to find that shit was on fire Your reaction was priceless . [Edited 4/28/06 17:44pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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CalhounSq said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Yesterday I ran into a couple friends, one of which is a Harvey whore and the other a Tori whore and I asked them what they thought of Kylie and they both love her This chick has some pretty broad appeal apparently.
CalhounSq's most popular thread was a Kylie thread NO FAIR!! . [Edited 4/28/06 17:38pm] Calhoun, you MUST visit the Sondra Prill thread: http://www.prince.org/msg...6700?&pg=1 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Justin1972UK said: It was me! I archived the contents of my hard drive onto about 50 CD Roms before it exploded, soon after. I'll have to try and find it this weekend. I have to get ready for work right now. Honestly, her B-Sides and bonus tracks are better than most other pop-tarts' singles. My favourites are Harmony, City Games and Ocean Blue. If you're ever inclined to share, I'd love to hear your labor of love It took me a while to find it but here you go... Hi-Res 300dpi front cover http://rapidshare.de/file...t.zip.html Hi-Res 300dpi back cover http://rapidshare.de/file...k.zip.html One long continuous mix http://tinyurl.com/kf3zq . [Edited 4/30/06 1:45am] | |
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This is a bizare thread. For years its been generally accepted that Kylie has made a career ripping madonna, and now we see the argument flipped on its head.
Kylie is no Madonna. Anyone who thinks so needs to really assess the careers of the 2 women, and see the journeys they've both been on in the last 20 + years. Im not a huge Kylie fan, and I can really enjoy some of her music, but there is always the distinct feeling she is the lesser madonna. And I think no where is that more blatant than on her albums which I always find below par. I always feel very little thought has gone into the album as a concept, more bunching together the best songs she's recorded by various writers. madonna on the other hand always seems to have a distinct vision of how her albums should sound. Confessions certainly is aiming for the same impact as Kylies music. Its mindless pop, but good pop at that. I really doubt it was a conscious thing on her part, more a product of enjoying working with Stuart Price, and I would only pin point How High as sounding distinctly Kylie like. I very much doubt she sat down and said "okay I want to make a Kylie album". Like A Prayer and Ray Of Light are on another stratosphere compared to Kylies albums. Even Madonna, Erotica, Bedtime Stories & Confessions beat out the best of her work. You take all those madonna albums into consideration and youll find much more musical exploration and vision than anywhere in Kylies work. | |
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Justin1972UK said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: If you're ever inclined to share, I'd love to hear your labor of love It took me a while to find it but here you go... Hi-Res 300dpi front cover http://rapidshare.de/file...t.zip.html Hi-Res 300dpi back cover http://rapidshare.de/file...k.zip.html http://tinyurl.com/kf3zq . [Edited 4/29/06 3:31am] You made that? Great work! | |
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GangstaFam said: You made that? Great work!
Yeah, I was amazed myself at how tasteful it all looked when finished... What did you think of the mix? | |
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Justin1972UK said: Yeah, I was amazed myself at how tasteful it all looked when finished... What did you think of the mix?
I'm really only familiar with Kylie's work through my brother, but I recognize and like quite a few songs on there. | |
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Didn't anybody listen to the mix? | |
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Justin1972UK said: Didn't anybody listen to the mix?
I'm trying, I"m trying!!!! Your new link won't let me either [Edited 5/1/06 13:35pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Justin1972UK said: Didn't anybody listen to the mix?
have you heard Loving You? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: have you heard Loving You?
No. Is that one of the unreleased Scissor Sisters tracks? I can't keep up with her. She's as prolific as Prince. | |
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Justin1972UK said: ehuffnsd said: have you heard Loving You?
No. Is that one of the unreleased Scissor Sisters tracks? I can't keep up with her. She's as prolific as Prince. Xenomania... some era as Giving You Up and Made of Glass... when i get off work i'll see what i can do You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Your new link won't let me either
Oh, poo... I'm uploading to RapidShare right now. | |
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ehuffnsd said: Damn I STILL miss that woman! | |
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I like Kylies music. It's her voice I have a hard time with. It's like it's been dipped in honey...rolled around in sugar and spun up like cotton candy Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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This is a bit like arguing, "What's better? AIDS or cancer?"
Kylie's a lot less irritating personality and much more fuckable, but her voice makes Madonna sound like Chaka Khan. Her live vocals are the worst I've heard. Kylie is a much nicer person but she just doesn't matter. For better or worse, Madonna does. | |
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whoknows said: This is a bit like arguing, "What's better? AIDS or cancer?"
Kylie's a lot less irritating personality and much more fuckable, but her voice makes Madonna sound like Chaka Khan. Her live vocals are the worst I've heard. Kylie is a much nicer person but she just doesn't matter. For better or worse, Madonna does. Kylie is a much better live singer than Madonna. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Kylie is a much better live singer than Madonna. Yeah, it's like Kathleen Battle vs. Jennifer Lopez. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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VoicesCarry said: whoknows said: This is a bit like arguing, "What's better? AIDS or cancer?"
Kylie's a lot less irritating personality and much more fuckable, but her voice makes Madonna sound like Chaka Khan. Her live vocals are the worst I've heard. Kylie is a much nicer person but she just doesn't matter. For better or worse, Madonna does. Kylie is a much better live singer than Madonna. They're both seriously shit singers. Maybe I'm just a bit more used to Madonna's shitness. Whenever I've tried to watch Kylie concerts on TV I just have to cover my ears, but then all the giant feather boas and angel wings and muscle men in spandex shorts start to offend me and I have to change the channel. Whatever happened to talent? When did motherfuckers become so gullible that they could allow this kind of shallow spectacle to blind them to the fact that the millionaire on the stage has no more talent than most of them do. The best performers I've seen were the ones who could rock it with a just a band and a microphone. Maybe you have to be gay to get it. | |
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whoknows said: VoicesCarry said: Kylie is a much better live singer than Madonna. They're both seriously shit singers. Maybe I'm just a bit more used to Madonna's shitness. Whenever I've tried to watch Kylie concerts on TV I just have to cover my ears, but then all the giant feather boas and angel wings and muscle men in spandex shorts start to offend me and I have to change the channel. Whatever happened to talent? When did motherfuckers become so gullible that they could allow this kind of shallow spectacle to blind them to the fact that the millionaire on the stage has no more talent than most of them do. The best performers I've seen were the ones who could rock it with a just a band and a microphone. Maybe you have to be gay to get it. What am I talking about? Of course you have to be gay to get it. It's all aimed at you guys. Someone needs to write a book explaining the psychology of the gay male when it comes to music, because it's baffling. The reason I'd be interested is 'cos you guys have a lot of spending power, so your taste affects a lot of what the rest of us hear. While we're on the subject, don't you guys feel a bit used by Madge? Her career was in trouble after AL when she tried to be a serious artist, but knowing you guys would bail her out, she snapped her fingers with Confessions and you all came running. | |
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I'm so fuckin tired of this thread
Neither one is Aretha Franklin or Barbra Streisand vocally. Madonna is a cultural phenomenon around the globe who has sold hundreds of millions of records and influenced about every female star on the planet. Kylie is a pop superstart...in Europe, Asia, and Australia. Whoever's music you like better...whatever. I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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whoknows said: Maybe you have to be gay to get it.
Kylie is a performance-artist more than a pop star. Kylie's much more intellectually interesting than Madonna. This is primarily because Kylie will be the first to admit that what she does for a living is preposterous, whereas Madonna will defend the supposed loftiness of her work until it no longer becomes fun. Kylie's willingness to accept the transient nature of her music and persona is positively Warhollian. There's always a feeling that Madonna grabs onto the coat-tails of others to absorb their energy and vision. Kylie is her polar-opposite. Kylie allows herself to be moulded and directed by others and embraces the constraints. Art is always more revealing when created under constrained conditions. If you have the ability to use every colour within a pallette and use each hue on a single canvas, you may as well just look at the original pallette - not the finished painting. On a technical level, Kylie is a more-than accomplished musician both vocally and on keyboards. She's an adequate actress with a keen sense of comic-timing. Her songwriting is above-average when she chooses to write her own lyrics and music. Kylie is a performer - not a bona-fide musical genius - she has never claimed to be anything other than a "show pony". I don't think that you have to be gay to appreciate Kylie. I think that you need to be non-American, to tell you the truth. It's interestng that in nearly every territory other than the U.S., Kylie is an unbridled star. You can draw parallels between Madonna's recent appearance at Coachella and Kylie's planned appearance at the last Glastonbury festival. Kylie had to pull out of Glastonbury because of her recent illness but if she had attended, she would have been the final act of the festival on the main stage - the most prestigious slot of the entire festival. Madonna appeared at Coachella within a dance tent, sidelined away from the main stage. This speaks volumes about the musical tastes of U.S. and European audiences. There's a bizarre inverse-snobbery in the U.S. which has existed since the early 90s, in that "pop music" can only be openly appreciated in a kitsch ironic manner. This cult of impersonality is killing American music, in which consumers feel a need to subscribe to a pre-ordained tribe, whether it be Emo, Hip-Hop, Industrial, Neo-Soul - or whatever other label the music-press chooses to brand the next big thing, that week. Luckily in Britain, we have the BBC which doesn't have to pander to advertisers with their needs for target-audiences and supposed demographics. The BBC is the single-biggest factor for the eclectic musical tastes of most Brits. It's no accident that Kylie has chosen Britain as her base of operations whilst working on her music (or that Madonna has, for that matter). . [Edited 5/7/06 8:57am] | |
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Justin1972UK said: whoknows said: Maybe you have to be gay to get it.
Kylie is a performance-artist more than a pop star. Kylie's much more intellectually interesting than Madonna. This is primarily because Kylie will be the first to admit that what she does for a living is preposterous, whereas Madonna will defend the supposed loftiness of her work until it no longer becomes fun. Kylie's willingness to accept the transient nature of her music and persona is positively Warhollian. There's always a feeling that Madonna grabs onto the coat-tails of others to absorb their energy and vision. Kylie is her polar-opposite. Kylie allows herself to be moulded and directed by others and embraces the constraints. Art is always more revealing when created under constrained conditions. If you have the ability to use every colour within a pallette and use each hue on a single canvas, you may as well just look at the original pallette - not the finished painting. On a technical level, Kylie is a more-than accomplished musician both vocally and on keyboards. She's an adequate actress with a keen sense of comic-timing. Her songwriting is above-average when she chooses to write her own lyrics and music. Kylie is a performer - not a bona-fide musical genius - she has never claimed to be anything other than a "show pony". I don't think that you have to be gay to appreciate Kylie. I think that you need to be non-American, to tell you the truth. It's interestng that in nearly every territory other than the U.S., Kylie is an unbridled star. You can draw parallels between Madonna's recent appearance at Coachella and Kylie's planned appearance at the last Glastonbury festival. Kylie had to pull out of Glastonbury because of her recent illness but if she had attended, she would have been the final act of the festival on the main stage - the most prestigious slot of the entire festival. Madonna appeared at Coachella within a dance tent, sidelined away from the main stage. This speaks volumes about the musical tastes of U.S. and European audiences. There's a bizarre inverse-snobbery in the U.S. which has existed since the early 90s, in that "pop music" can only be openly appreciated in a kitsch ironic manner. This cult of impersonality is killing American music, in which consumers feel a need to subscribe to a pre-ordained tribe, whether it be Emo, Hip-Hop, Industrial, Neo-Soul - or whatever other label the music-press chooses to brand the next big thing, that week. Luckily in Britain, we have the BBC which doesn't have to pander to advertisers with their needs for target-audiences and supposed demographics. The BBC is the single-biggest factor for the eclectic musical tastes of most Brits. It's no accident that Kylie has chosen Britain as her base of operations whilst working on her music (or that Madonna has, for that matter). . [Edited 5/7/06 8:57am] well said. and i think i on acciendt sent you just a couple seconds of Loving You instead of the full song You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Justin1972UK said: whoknows said: Maybe you have to be gay to get it.
Kylie is a performance-artist more than a pop star. Kylie's much more intellectually interesting than Madonna. This is primarily because Kylie will be the first to admit that what she does for a living is preposterous, whereas Madonna will defend the supposed loftiness of her work until it no longer becomes fun. Kylie's willingness to accept the transient nature of her music and persona is positively Warhollian. There's always a feeling that Madonna grabs onto the coat-tails of others to absorb their energy and vision. Kylie is her polar-opposite. Kylie allows herself to be moulded and directed by others and embraces the constraints. Art is always more revealing when created under constrained conditions. If you have the ability to use every colour within a pallette and use each hue on a single canvas, you may as well just look at the original pallette - not the finished painting. On a technical level, Kylie is a more-than accomplished musician both vocally and on keyboards. She's an adequate actress with a keen sense of comic-timing. Her songwriting is above-average when she chooses to write her own lyrics and music. Kylie is a performer - not a bona-fide musical genius - she has never claimed to be anything other than a "show pony". I don't think that you have to be gay to appreciate Kylie. I think that you need to be non-American, to tell you the truth. It's interestng that in nearly every territory other than the U.S., Kylie is an unbridled star. You can draw parallels between Madonna's recent appearance at Coachella and Kylie's planned appearance at the last Glastonbury festival. Kylie had to pull out of Glastonbury because of her recent illness but if she had attended, she would have been the final act of the festival on the main stage - the most prestigious slot of the entire festival. Madonna appeared at Coachella within a dance tent, sidelined away from the main stage. This speaks volumes about the musical tastes of U.S. and European audiences. There's a bizarre inverse-snobbery in the U.S. which has existed since the early 90s, in that "pop music" can only be openly appreciated in a kitsch ironic manner. This cult of impersonality is killing American music, in which consumers feel a need to subscribe to a pre-ordained tribe, whether it be Emo, Hip-Hop, Industrial, Neo-Soul - or whatever other label the music-press chooses to brand the next big thing, that week. Luckily in Britain, we have the BBC which doesn't have to pander to advertisers with their needs for target-audiences and supposed demographics. The BBC is the single-biggest factor for the eclectic musical tastes of most Brits. It's no accident that Kylie has chosen Britain as her base of operations whilst working on her music (or that Madonna has, for that matter). . [Edited 5/7/06 8:57am] Kylie never blew up that big in the US because Neighbours never blew up big in the US. Just like Robbie Williams never blew up there because Take That never did. Both these two emerged out of the shell of a separate phenomenon which meant there was much goodwill to them and a platform of interest to build on. The first Warholian referencing part of your post was spot on. The rest was bollocks. I feel guilty now for reviving this thread because it's an embarassment to P that so much space is being taken up on such irrelavances, but I only just stumbled on the thread and was killing time 'cos my girlfriend's parents are here and I was bored.. Also you shrugged off my "psychology of the gay male" question. That's the only part I'd be interested in. | |
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whoknows said: Justin1972UK said: Kylie is a performance-artist more than a pop star. Kylie's much more intellectually interesting than Madonna. This is primarily because Kylie will be the first to admit that what she does for a living is preposterous, whereas Madonna will defend the supposed loftiness of her work until it no longer becomes fun. Kylie's willingness to accept the transient nature of her music and persona is positively Warhollian. There's always a feeling that Madonna grabs onto the coat-tails of others to absorb their energy and vision. Kylie is her polar-opposite. Kylie allows herself to be moulded and directed by others and embraces the constraints. Art is always more revealing when created under constrained conditions. If you have the ability to use every colour within a pallette and use each hue on a single canvas, you may as well just look at the original pallette - not the finished painting. On a technical level, Kylie is a more-than accomplished musician both vocally and on keyboards. She's an adequate actress with a keen sense of comic-timing. Her songwriting is above-average when she chooses to write her own lyrics and music. Kylie is a performer - not a bona-fide musical genius - she has never claimed to be anything other than a "show pony". I don't think that you have to be gay to appreciate Kylie. I think that you need to be non-American, to tell you the truth. It's interestng that in nearly every territory other than the U.S., Kylie is an unbridled star. You can draw parallels between Madonna's recent appearance at Coachella and Kylie's planned appearance at the last Glastonbury festival. Kylie had to pull out of Glastonbury because of her recent illness but if she had attended, she would have been the final act of the festival on the main stage - the most prestigious slot of the entire festival. Madonna appeared at Coachella within a dance tent, sidelined away from the main stage. This speaks volumes about the musical tastes of U.S. and European audiences. There's a bizarre inverse-snobbery in the U.S. which has existed since the early 90s, in that "pop music" can only be openly appreciated in a kitsch ironic manner. This cult of impersonality is killing American music, in which consumers feel a need to subscribe to a pre-ordained tribe, whether it be Emo, Hip-Hop, Industrial, Neo-Soul - or whatever other label the music-press chooses to brand the next big thing, that week. Luckily in Britain, we have the BBC which doesn't have to pander to advertisers with their needs for target-audiences and supposed demographics. The BBC is the single-biggest factor for the eclectic musical tastes of most Brits. It's no accident that Kylie has chosen Britain as her base of operations whilst working on her music (or that Madonna has, for that matter). . [Edited 5/7/06 8:57am] Kylie never blew up that big in the US because Neighbours never blew up big in the US. Just like Robbie Williams never blew up there because Take That never did. Both these two emerged out of the shell of a separate phenomenon which meant there was much goodwill to them and a platform of interest to build on. The first Warholian referencing part of your post was spot on. The rest was bollocks. I feel guilty now for reviving this thread because it's an embarassment to P that so much space is being taken up on such irrelavances, but I only just stumbled on the thread and was killing time 'cos my girlfriend's parents are here and I was bored.. Also you shrugged off my "psychology of the gay male" question. That's the only part I'd be interested in. One this is Music:Non-Prince... if you want to discus Prince please go to the Prince section of the site. Two i think homophobia is attached to the American dislike of Dance and Dance/pop Three gay people tend to gravaite to those people that have to survive adversity or understand the meaning of being gay. there is a large difference between being a homosexual and being a gay male activitly involved in gay culture. i think to shrug off the phenomons that are Madonna and Kylie as something to be because of gay people is understanding the purpose of pop music. Pop music is meant to appeal to the masses, and is probably the hardest to stay relevant in because you have to always be ahead of the trend or you get run over. [Edited 5/7/06 10:28am] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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