...as in her live vocals and how they SUCK lately? and "sorry,"...that song is no cake walk vocally. you know that's what she's singing...member in 99 or whenever when she butchered "nothing really matters" and then won right after?
i dunno...im hoping she puts the emphasis on the DANCING and only sings like one verse, a chorus, and uses some hot vocal effects this time.

She'll probably do "Hung Up" though.

The only thing I'm doing is wondering why she's performing when she's not nominated for anything. I'm betting some people are going to get their feelings hurt this year. I bet she's only doing a tribute to someone. If she is hocking the new single that's frickin hilarious on her part. She ignored the US for months and months not doing any radio interviews, talk shows, or anything. The UK has showed her nothing but love and she bows out of the Brits in favor of the Grammys.

roundables said:

I think opening the Grammy's with the new single might b a good way 2 get the ball rolling if she's not promoted as hard in the U.S. this time around.

roundables said:

she's one of the 5 biggest stars in the entire world, the Grammys love when she does the opening number because it gets them a shitload of press and viewers, just like the VMAs. i think it's smart that she's only choosing the biggest and baddest shit to do in the U.S. and not wasting time doing late night talk shows when her album's are not a guaranteed multiplatinum smash over here no mo.

npgmaverick said:

IT might or might not. The Grammys have been hurting for rating for awhile now. And, this year the show is up against Lost. Madonna is going to have to do a lot to have the most talked about moment of the night. Shaking her booty in a leotard isn't going to work here like it did across the pond. This was the time to be kissing Brittany and Christina at an award show. Otherwise, people are just going to see if Kanye acts up or if Mariah is just an altogether mess that evening.

badujunkie said:

The Grammys are gonna have a ton of press w/ or w/out Madonna. Nobody in the US has been that interested in her music this go round. And, if it's anything like the lame performance she gave for Music it will have been a complete waste of time. Nobody is digging the homage to Staying Alive and purple leotards. If that's what comes out on stage Grammy night a collective yawn will be heard all across America.

roundables said:

when hasn't Mariah been an altogether mess?

And honestly, Madonna stole the show at the EMAs and she wasn't nominated, and there's nothing to stop her from doing the same this time around.

The Grammys are never special anyways. All the predictable people will win awards. Madonna can spice up the evening and add a lot more ratings then they would without her. Like it or not she's a superstar and people who love her and hate her will tune in just to see her.

badujunkie said:

Madonna has never focused on her vocals to make a great performance. Mariah has to.
The vocals at the EMAs were nothing special but she took the night by storm anyways.

roundables said:

Wrong. Radio isn't interested in plugging a 47 year old woman when pushing advertisements to the youth generation. A #7 peak of HU due basically on sales is fucking impressive. Let's see where Gwen and Mariah will be when they're 47. Let's see if they continue to score #1 hits. And let's see them do it without making the predictable cookie cutter American radio sound.
And worldwide the song is a smash hit, it's still #1 on the world charts after 11 weeks. And nobody's interested

jayaredee said:

you tell him brotha!
that's right...no one in the U.S. was interested even though Hung Up hit the top 10 on BB, number 1 on iTunes, and COADF debuted at number 1 in the U.S. of A.

I think it's dumb to say that COADF isnt doing well in the states. It's already gone platinum with only limited promotion(most she did here was TRL, Letterman, ABC Primetime and a club show). Also, Hung Up hit #7 on the Hot 100. With added promotion and a hot Grammy performance, she could do some serious damage.

That's the difference between Mariah and Madonna. Dont get me wrong, I like Mariah and she deserved every ounce of success she's had recently, but she's not known for putting on memorable performances. With Madonna, judging from recent performances(03 VMAs, Live 8 and the 05 EMAs), people will be talking.

Did you guys forget her Grammy performance of "Music" five years ago?

jayaredee said:

Why are people going to tune in just to see her. They didn't tune into the record stores to buy her album. There's just bigger stories this yr. than Madonna. People are going to want to see if Mariah repeats her 96 shutout or if Kanye just plain ole acts out. And, Christina A and Herbie will have the performance of the night. I'm calling it right now. Madonna's going to stroll out in a leotard looking like Jane Fonda on her last leg, and the American public won't be the slightest bit interested. They haven't looked the least bit interested in this recent reincarnation as of yet.

jayaredee said:

Sweetie, the Grammys is not a worldwide show it's an American show. And, no the American public isn't interested. Radio doesn't play Norah Jones, Rod Stewart, or Josh Groban but their albums are selling. Please, radio isn't being ageist right now in the least bit. If Madonna did well on call out research they would be playing her songs. But, guess what they're not playing her songs. Nobody can use ITunes sales as a measurment of popularity at all. Most of the people w/ the biggest selling songs on ITunes also have some of the worst album sales. Forget cookie cutter American music nobody told Madonna to make a Euro dance album. We're talking about the Grammys which is AMERICAN. All you Madonna fans can do is run back to the worldwide thing. Robbie Williams does great worldwide too should he get to perform at the Grammys?

badujunkie said:

That's right noone was interested because the album sales don't back that up. I guess the Pussycat Dolls, Chris Brown, and D4L should also be hailed for their Itunes sales. Who cares that their albums are selling they did good on Itunes. Whatever.[list]

CinisterCee said:

Or her VMA 98 performance w/ Lenny Kravitz. Highly unmemorable.

roundables said:

Scoring a number 1 single on iTunes means PEOPLE ARE BUYING HER MUSIC.

That the video for "Hung Up" was number 1 on TRL for many, many days says that kids like it too.

COADF has already scanned over 1.2 million copies after only one single. That's almost twice the scans for American Life in its entire chart run. It's on its way to a decent level of success.

roundables said:

Yes, they had hit singles. What's so hard to understand about a sales chart?

Moonbeam said:

If they're buying her music why isn't her album doing better? So, I guess that means MJ's Invicible was a hit selling 2 mill off one song too, right? And, I know how Hung Up got to number 1 on TRL it was a little thing called AutoVoter.

Moonbeam said:

Right, but their albums aren't moving much at all. Labels would rather have that 14.99 off an album sold versuses the 99 cents. When you do well on Itunes and bad in album sales that only means one thing. I like you're song but the rest of the album I'm not even interested in.

roundables said:

Her album is hanging in there and I fully expect sales to pick up with the release of "Sorry". "Hung Up" has run its course.

And yes, 2 million albums sold is a hit. I don't care who the artist is.

Moonbeam said:

I thought so too, but it was deemed a failure. So, I can only wonder what they think of Madonna's album sales.

Moonbeam said:

It's a hit, and that's off of ONE single being promoted.

this is just that same age old bullshit...madonna fans (myself included) are going to always emphasize any amount of success she has to show that she is still relevant, commercially viable, successful, and a huge icon/star (which, really, no one can argue).

on the flipside there are folks like roundtable, SOS, etc who seem to have something to prove when it comes to Madonna...they just don't like her or don't want to admit any of her success or that it's remarkable that she is still number 1 or top 10 or gets any MTV exposure after more than 20 YEARS since she became a huge star. who knows why the Madonna haters have to protest so much...it seems a little too much at times.

and since when are album sales completely indicative of how big a star is? you wanna know why mariah ain't toured yet...because it would BOMB. just like her last tour. whereas madonna can sell out arenas and play MSG five nights and charge three hundo for the best seats in her mid/late 40s. tina turner did the same well into her late 50s and even at 60 though her albums stopped selling big, but she had and still has every right to be on ANY awards show, she's a draw for viewers even if they don't own every one of her LPs. so is it album sales, concert attendance, press, media coverage, awards...or is it a Mix of all those things that make someone a 'success' or 'relevant?'

roundables said:

oh i get it. another MJ fan who don't like that madonna is now bigger than MJ.

roundables said:

Ummmm the autovoter doesn't work anymore because you can only vote once on the TRL website dumbass.

badujunkie said:

Worse, a closed minded Mariah lamb. Doesn't that speak oodles

roundables said:

The american public will always be interested in Madonna. Why do they for over hundreds of dollars for sold out arenas to see her perform wheras Mariah can't sell a 3000 seater theatre. Please. Case closed.

And the difference between Madonna and Robbie performing at the Grammys is obvious. Madonna is an American superstar. Everyone in America knows who she is, and that's the most lame argument. You have to try harder.
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roundables said:

Seriously get a clue before you post. You go by thinking that you know what the American public will be interested in. You don't. You cannot argue just because Mariah and Kanye are selling more albums than Madonna, because as I said, Mariah's album sales will never add up to seats in an arena. No one will pay to see her and she knows it. Wheras people will pay hunderds to see Madonna in the nosebleed section. And this is in the U S of A my friend.

Madonna has sold extremely well for no airplay. And yes age matters. They push ads towards a youth generated audience and they will only play young "hip" acts. They won't ever consider Madonna hip because she's nearly 50. And if you don't want to belive that then you can go back to your fairy tale way of thinking.
[Edited 1/31/06 13:54pm]