this is just that same age old bullshit...madonna fans (myself included) are going to always emphasize any amount of success she has to show that she is still relevant, commercially viable, successful, and a huge icon/star (which, really, no one can argue).

on the flipside there are folks like roundtable, SOS, etc who seem to have something to prove when it comes to Madonna...they just don't like her or don't want to admit any of her success or that it's remarkable that she is still number 1 or top 10 or gets any MTV exposure after more than 20 YEARS since she became a huge star. who knows why the Madonna haters have to protest so much...it seems a little too much at times.

and since when are album sales completely indicative of how big a star is? you wanna know why mariah ain't toured yet...because it would BOMB. just like her last tour. whereas madonna can sell out arenas and play MSG five nights and charge three hundo for the best seats in her mid/late 40s. tina turner did the same well into her late 50s and even at 60 though her albums stopped selling big, but she had and still has every right to be on ANY awards show, she's a draw for viewers even if they don't own every one of her LPs. so is it album sales, concert attendance, press, media coverage, awards...or is it a Mix of all those things that make someone a 'success' or 'relevant?'

What I do hate is everyone pretending this album was a smash when it wasn't.

badujunkie said:

Wait don't piss an moan about me saying Madonna's album didn't do that great. There are plenty of artists that you piss and moan about. Weren't you ragging on the thought of Mariah pairing up w/ Janet just a few threads ago w/ me. I'm not a hater of Madonna at all. What I do hate is everyone pretending this album was a smash when it wasn't. If they can crucify and dismiss Michael and Mariah for selling those amounts why not Madonna? You were talking all out of your ass w/ that post. I can rag on any other artist but not Saint Madonna please.
[Edited 1/31/06 14:11pm]

roundables said:

Why use the past tense? The album hasn't even been out 3 months yet.

roundables said:

The american public will always be interested in Madonna. Why do they for over hundreds of dollars for sold out arenas to see her perform wheras Mariah can't sell a 3000 seater theatre. Please. Case closed.

And the difference between Madonna and Robbie performing at the Grammys is obvious. Madonna is an American superstar. Everyone in America knows who she is, and that's the most lame argument. You have to try harder.
[Edited 1/31/06 13:47pm]

jayaredee said:

You keep running to that tour and pointing out Mariah's bomb tour. Yep, Mariah's tour did bomb in 2003 and so did her album. My how things have changed though. We can't even compare Mariah and Madonna tour wise. Mariah Carey has never ever been known for touring. That Pearlnecklace circus was the most extensive tour she's ever done. You can say whatever you want to say. But, your basing your whole point on something that happened three yrs. ago. I think we can all agree Mariah's career aint looking like it did three yrs. ago.

roundables said:

Why use the past tense? The album hasn't even been out 3 months yet.

Moonbeam said:

Because it's steadily worked it way on down the chart.

Moonbeam said:

Because it's steadily worked it way on down the chart.

confirmed: Madonna is opening the Grammys with Gorrilaz. It's going to be an animated video while Madonna performs. How odd.

anyways i'll just wait here for roundables to make an ignorant comment.

roundables said:

Exactly, which is why they have the Rolling Stones doing the Super Bowl. They will ring in a great audience, wheras Madonna will do the same for the Grammy's. But you just live in denial.

roundables said:

Because she doesn't pimp her albums for $8.99 the way Mariah has for years.

roundables said:

Always focusing on the US chart. Another American thinking the US = the world. She's at #3 on the world chart. Does't seem like it's falling as quickly as you hoped.

And who's to say it won't rebound after some promotion and the new single release?

Madonna has never focused on her vocals to make a great performance. Mariah has to.

jayaredee said:

I was gonna post something about her performing with cartoons. (animated video--whatever). I hope it's more entertaining than Paula Abdul & that cartoon cat video.

jayaredee said:

Really, because when the great Paul McCartney performed last year it was a bust. It turns out people actually like watching the hot new thing on TRL perform at halftime.

jayaredee said:

Something about the way the above sentences read is just very humorous to me.
Especially when describing individuals that are categorized as singers.

I won't get any more detailed than that.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

roundables said:

oh yeah because Justin Timberlake was such a smashing success

theAudience said:

she's a performance artist.
sings well enough to get by but she's much more than 'singer.'

lets stop the argument. all you anti Madonna people can just tune in at
8:05pm and cheer extra loud if Mariah wins.

all you people that know Madonna rules...we know the truth.

badujunkie said:

How can she be so much more than a singer when she's not even a singer. I don't care about that though. Madonna back in the day was the ish. Staying Alive Madonna in leotards is pathetic.

The only thing I'm doing is wondering why she's performing when she's not nominated for anything. I'm betting some people are going to get their feelings hurt this year. I bet she's only doing a tribute to someone. If she is hocking the new single that's frickin hilarious on her part. She ignored the US for months and months not doing any radio interviews, talk shows, or anything. The UK has showed her nothing but love and she bows out of the Brits in favor of the Grammys.

this is just that same age old bullshit...madonna fans (myself included) are going to always emphasize any amount of success she has to show that she is still relevant, commercially viable, successful, and a huge icon/star (which, really, no one can argue).

on the flipside there are folks like roundtable, SOS, etc who seem to have something to prove when it comes to Madonna...they just don't like her or don't want to admit any of her success or that it's remarkable that she is still number 1 or top 10 or gets any MTV exposure after more than 20 YEARS since she became a huge star. who knows why the Madonna haters have to protest so much...it seems a little too much at times.

and since when are album sales completely indicative of how big a star is? you wanna know why mariah ain't toured yet...because it would BOMB. just like her last tour. whereas madonna can sell out arenas and play MSG five nights and charge three hundo for the best seats in her mid/late 40s. tina turner did the same well into her late 50s and even at 60 though her albums stopped selling big, but she had and still has every right to be on ANY awards show, she's a draw for viewers even if they don't own every one of her LPs. so is it album sales, concert attendance, press, media coverage, awards...or is it a Mix of all those things that make someone a 'success' or 'relevant?'

jayaredee said:

Why are people going to tune in just to see her. They didn't tune into the record stores to buy her album. There's just bigger stories this yr. than Madonna. People are going to want to see if Mariah repeats her 96 shutout or if Kanye just plain ole acts out. And, Christina A and Herbie will have the performance of the night. I'm calling it right now. Madonna's going to stroll out in a leotard looking like Jane Fonda on her last leg, and the American public won't be the slightest bit interested. They haven't looked the least bit interested in this recent reincarnation as of yet.

roundables said:

Scoring a number 1 single on iTunes means PEOPLE ARE BUYING HER MUSIC.

That the video for "Hung Up" was number 1 on TRL for many, many days says that kids like it too.

COADF has already scanned over 1.2 million copies after only one single. That's almost twice the scans for American Life in its entire chart run. It's on its way to a decent level of success.