what a load of bullshit!!!

BAD is the fucking shit!!!

awesome album!

i bet everyone and their granny owns a copy or has owned a copy,

Smooth Criminal the song and video is out of this world, choreography and dancing which has yet to be matched.

Michael Pisses on the old 40s and 50s actors and singers by doing Smooth Criminal, artistically unbeatable.

as for it being synth driven, it may be so,

but the following are all classics

Bad,- great song, fantastic video, even has Blade wesley snipes in it for good measure,

the way you make me feel - Best song on the album and video to match it, fantastic stuff

dirty diana - rock song with steve stevens of billy idol fame, fantastic song, only Michael could come up with a song like this,

liberian girl - this is the shit!!! covered numerous times by likes of 2pac, mc lyte, etc, the bassline is hypnotic and you will never get tired of the song,


man in the mirror - legendary song, see moonwalker and the bad tour documentary, MJ owns the stadiums with this song


with a sell out tour worldwide, most people would dream of having such success


BAD is a classic,
unbeatable

well i would put mj albums in this order

1. off the wall
2. thriller
3. bad
4. dangerous
5. history
6. blood on the dancefloor
7. invincible

Ellie said:

Chasing as wide a possible target audience as he did, hasn't exactly helped him IMO. 'Bad' was where he lost a lot of people, mainly his own. People alot of the time blame the surgery, i'm saying the music contributed.

Off topic kind of, but i personally hate walking in HMV or Virgin etc and finding Janet in 'Urban', the J5/Jacksons in Soul/Rnb and Mike in fucking 'Pop'. I'm like, "OTW aint fucking pop!"

He had the best videos in this era... but we're talking about the album.

In my HMVs Michael is in Soul/RnB AND Rock/Pop

Anyway, in Europe Bad outsold Thriller. By the late 80s the US was just obsessed with all those hair metal bands shifting ridiulously large numbers.

dirtyman2005 said:

The only good thing in the Bad video is when he jumped up on that turnstile at the subway station, i don't know how the fuck he did that!

I'm going to have to agree that MJ, pre-"Bad", always sounded phenomenally smooth, soulful, powerful, and natural (with the exception of his period of puberty), whereas on a good deal of his music from "Bad" and beyond, he sounds sterile, whiny, growlish, and just weak compared to those former years.

It's possible his voice never really declined, though, because his live rendition of "You Were There" at the Sammy Davis, Jr. tribute in 1990 (or '89) and his vocals on "Speechless" from "Invincible" (much as I despise the song) are phenomenal. He just became too much of a perfectionist to let himself sound natural most of the time.

Marrk said:

That's easy. The hard bit is the group doing the uber-fast feet tapping on the floor straight afterwards.

Ellie said:

Since you're not MJ or the producers he was working with at the time, how would you know? Puberty works different for everybody, ya know?

You're right in your assessment that those who've been MJ fans longer than you've been alive are partial to his vocal delivery in the 70's, when he was a soul singer. MJ knew that too. That's why he developed his "pop" style, for that "huge market" that ain't got no soul but willing to spend their $$$$$ nevertheless.

squiddyren said:

yes. it bothers me we hardly hear him sing live anymore, perhaps he only records those 'growly' vocals when he's full of cold or something!

There are always exceptions. I know 35 year veteran fans who think Invincible is his greatest work

Anyway, I love all MJ eras in different ways. I can just acept and appreciate the changes without dwelling on what used to be.

Adisa said:

Have you seen the 'A Remarkable Life' documentary DVD? There's an interview with Sam Brown who did the production for some of the Motown solo albums. Very interesting.

Adisa said:

Yeah, i first picked up my Dads copy of The Jacksons upon year of release when i was six, i've been a fan ever since, my 30th anniversary this year (of course i was raised on Motown, My mum swears blind as a baby i reacted to the J5, maybe i've been a fan all my life!)

I wasn't lucky enough to have had the opportunity to pick up any copies of my parents' Jackson albums. They're fuddy duddy crappy British 60s Pop fans and fuck else all

Marrk said:

"Dancing Machine" was rocking the chart when I was born, and that's what I came out singing.

Watch me come out, watch me come out...

Adisa said:

If you did the robot too, i'd be real impressed!
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put it this way

how many musicians have managed to get Martin Scorcese to direct their music video???

only MJ i think!

the first 10 minutes is pure class! like a proper movie!

its so good in fact, MJ should have made a full feature film in black and white.

great stuff when MJ goes "comon, lets do it! comon! you wanna see whos bad!"




its called extreme talent!

forget all the other shit, just focus on the music, MJ is the shit, whether you like it or not

Invincible was a let down but other than that, all of his albums have been superb to excellent.

nuff said

MJ is so good, even George lucas and francis ford copolla made a mini movie for disneyworld, Captain eo rocks, he does space age moonwalking!!!

that is the pure shit!!!

dirtyman2005 said:

$$$$$ talks walks...and it certainly does help if/when talent is involved. Captian EO!!

dirtyman2005 said:

Oh please!

Frank Dileo was responsible for getting Scorcese on board, they're good friends, hence Dileo appearing in 'Goodfellas' a short time later. The acting in the video is laughable, you ever wonder why Mike didn't go into movies properly? he can not act, full stop.

The jumping on the turnstile thing went way over your head, didn't it?

Captain Eo, is what it is, a theme park short, again the acting is awful, even though it was directed by francis Ford Coppola, just maybe we can blame George Lucas in some way for that! he's not known for pulling out great performances from his actors.

This thread is way off beam now. oh well!

The only problem with Invincible is too many tracks and a continuity problem. But taken individually the songs on that album are amazing. Butterflies is his most vocally challenging record. Whatever Happens is so haunting its beauitful. Speechless although cheesy is a classic song. Break of Dawn and Heaven can Wait are a return to OTW MJ, You Rock my World is probably his best pop song along with Billie Jean.

Bad is a great , fun pop record. Probably the most pop sounding record MJ has done, tho i dont think its as good as Dangerous or History for that matter.

I actually just finished listening to Bad. I love every song except for Leave Me Alone, the chorus gets seriously annoying after a while. I also rediscovered my love for Speed Demon, the intro is sick. Dirty Diana and Liberian Girl are still some of my favorite MJ songs. Just Good Friends and Another Part Of Me are classic 80s songs and they're still cool enough to listen to. I'm tried of hearing TWYMMF on the radio, they play it everyday, but I guess since its good for Michael than I can deal with it...

Bad still kicks ass

Captain Eo kicks ass too


Somebody push the red button!

so cute...

Without reading the above post, Bad was a bad album for MJ and his worst up til Invincible.

Marrk said:

That one of the hottest tracks ever. You must be smokin' that shit.

Bad is actually my favorite MJ album, by quite a bit. It simply has the highest proportion of my favorite MJ songs:

Leave Me Alone- my number 1
Smooth Criminal
Dirty Diana
Man in the Mirror
The Way You Make Me Feel

All 5 of those would contend to be in my top 10 MJ tracks.

Bad is decent, but is just an attempt to out-do Thriller. Dangerous is a much better album, IMO.

'Bad' is an okay album,but it wasn't what I was expecting.Like Axchi696 said,it was really just an attempt to out-do 'Thriller'.Another problem: many of the songs are too "gimmicky" and sound as if they were written exclusively for video interpretation ("Speed Demon","Dirty Diana","Smooth Criminal",the title track).I also don't think the album has aged very well,whereas I can play 'Off The Wall' and 'Thriller' today and it still sounds fresh and vital.

Ellie said:

And those 35-year-old fans need to go back on the meds....

For me Bad was a sterile, pop obsessed, slickly produced album that lacked the soul and heart of his previous two solo outings...Although I dug "Liberian Girl," "The Way You Make Me Feel," and "Man In The Mirror" to a certain degree ("Smooth Criminal was just plain old silly and pedestrian, BUT!!!! The video was incredible and arguably his best), I just think MJ's KING Of The Charts ambitions got the best of him on Bad...I dug more tracks on the Dangerous album...He showed a lot more soul....

murph said:

Could not agree more. Bad was unadulteratd rubbish. Dangerous was superior by far. Up there in my opinion with Thriller in terms of musicality. Off The Wall is still my personal favorite.