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PrintableOh, Madonna's tits win every time, hands down. | |
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TonyVanDam said: theAudience said: 
VS. 
If we're going to have another Janet VS. Madonna thread, why not judge them by their bra sizes too? [Edited 7/29/05 20:13pm] And then note that it's NSFW in the thread name  | |
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badujunkie said: Which breakout album do you prefer?
Madonna's Debut Madonna (1983) Janet Jackson's First Hit Control (1986) Could someone post the album artwork for both? I'd have to go with... Both/Neither. Can't decide they're both too hot and still sound fresh...if only a Control Remaster would be made available...I think they both have two or three songs of filler that are still GREAT tracks and each a host of unforgettable dance pop/r&b. fave song from each: madonna: burning up control: when i think of you To hell with Janet vs Madonna how about Alisha vs Madonna?! My vote goes to Alisha because all night passion gets me through the day! 
Do you have Alisha's first album? That shit is fire! | |
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...but just barely. "He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive" is the worst song out of both albums, and "Borderline" is the best from both. By default, Madonna would win. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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GangstaFam said: Oh, Madonna's tits win every time, hands down.
Madonna!!! 
(Though I like "Control" too...) | |
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Sorry, "I Know It" is just about unlistenable, while Control is completely redeemable. | |
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CinisterCee said: Sorry, "I Know It" is just about unlistenable, while Control is completely redeemable.
But the rest of the album is waaaay much better than the whole "Control"...  | |
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i have to go with madonna, that album is pop perfection, where as contol i only liked about 3 songs off it | |
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Control | |
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As much as I like Control, Madonna is flawless, so it wins. Now, put anything Madonna has made against Rhythm Nation 1814 and she'll lose, though. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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what? no comparison, "control" is considered as a ground breaking album
generally janet has better albums then madonna, more consistant! [Edited 7/30/05 7:15am] | |
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cONTROL Space for sale... | |
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mancabdriver said: what? no comparison, "control" is considered as a ground breaking album
generally janet has better albums then madonna, more consistant! [Edited 7/30/05 7:15am] Groundbreaking if you hadn't heard anything that Jam & Lewis did before this. Control is probably my fave Janet album, but it sounds a good deal like a lot of the work they did previously with Cherrelle and S.O.S. Band. CinisterCee said: Sorry, "I Know It" is just about unlistenable, while Control is completely redeemable.
Shut it, you!  It seems I Know It, He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive and You Can be Mine get ragged on a lot. All are listenable to me.[Edited 7/30/05 9:59am] | |
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Has anyone heard 'Start Anew'? I heard it was a Control reject track but I like it a lot more than 'You Can Be Mine' and 'He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive' | |
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Ellie said: Has anyone heard 'Start Anew'? I heard it was a Control reject track but I like it a lot more than 'You Can Be Mine' and 'He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive'
those are my favorite tracks...seriously.. Space for sale... | |
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"You Can Be Mine" is a current favorite for sure. | |
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Me too. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: mancabdriver said: what? no comparison, "control" is considered as a ground breaking album
generally janet has better albums then madonna, more consistant! [Edited 7/30/05 7:15am] Groundbreaking if you hadn't heard anything that Jam & Lewis did before this. Control is probably my fave Janet album, but it sounds a good deal like a lot of the work they did previously with Cherrelle and S.O.S. Band. CinisterCee said: Sorry, "I Know It" is just about unlistenable, while Control is completely redeemable.
Shut it, you! It seems I Know It, He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive and You Can be Mine get ragged on a lot. All are listenable to me.
[Edited 7/30/05 9:59am] Groundbreaking in the sense that it was a concept record about a strong-willed, independent young heroine declaring her independence. The music sounded like a youthful breakthrough. That's why it's timeless. There's some hard funky shit on there that Jam & Lewis had not truly attempted with Cherrelle, who was always the seductress. Even the funkiest tracks on the High Priority LP don't approach Control, What Have You Done For Me Lately or Nasty. So no, not like Cherrelle. Had Cherrelle made Control, she would have found similar success, though. But I don't think she had the attitude or the chutzpah for it. [Edited 7/30/05 11:47am] | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: mancabdriver said: what? no comparison, "control" is considered as a ground breaking album
generally janet has better albums then madonna, more consistant! [Edited 7/30/05 7:15am] Groundbreaking if you hadn't heard anything that Jam & Lewis did before this. Control is probably my fave Janet album, but it sounds a good deal like a lot of the work they did previously with Cherrelle and S.O.S. Band. CinisterCee said: Sorry, "I Know It" is just about unlistenable, while Control is completely redeemable.
Shut it, you! It seems I Know It, He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive and You Can be Mine get ragged on a lot. All are listenable to me.
[Edited 7/30/05 9:59am] ah some people don't give props where props are due! | |
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mancabdriver said: RipHer2Shreds said: Shut it, you! It seems I Know It, He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive and You Can be Mine get ragged on a lot. All are listenable to me.
[Edited 7/30/05 9:59am] ah some people don't give props where props are due! What are you talking about?  I'm not discrediting anyone. I've already said I don't prefer one over the other. | |
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VoicesCarry said: RipHer2Shreds said: Shut it, you! It seems I Know It, He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive and You Can be Mine get ragged on a lot. All are listenable to me.
[Edited 7/30/05 9:59am] Groundbreaking in the sense that it was a concept record about a strong-willed, independent young heroine declaring her independence. The music sounded like a youthful breakthrough. That's why it's timeless. There's some hard funky shit on there that Jam & Lewis had not truly attempted with Cherrelle, who was always the seductress. Even the funkiest tracks on the High Priority LP don't approach Control, What Have You Done For Me Lately or Nasty. So no, not like Cherrelle. Had Cherrelle made Control, she would have found similar success, though. But I don't think she had the attitude or the chutzpah for it. [Edited 7/30/05 11:47am] I agree that it was a great concept album. I would guess she wasn't the first to address those themes, though I certainly can't think of another album that came before it that did so. I was referring more to Jam & Lewis' work, not the lyrical themes Janet was addressing. I think Cherrelle was a good artist who never really found her way, but I wasn't just talking about the work they did with Cherrelle. I think songs like Cherrelle's Like I Will and I Didn't Mean to Turn You On, and S.O.S. Band's Just Be Good to Me and Just the Way You Like It are just as good as anything that would later make it onto Control. I think the advantage that Control has over Madonna is timing. By the time it was released, the video era was in full swing and videos had come along way since the days of Lucky Star. I think every video that was done for Control was great. Even though it was only a few years earlier, Madonna didn't benefit from promotional videos the way Janet's album did. Not that the album or any of the singles weren't good on their own without the promotional clips, but damn those videos were hot back then! In the end, I think it's a bit of an odd comparison. It could be because I like them both so much, and I really cannot pick a favorite between the two of them. One's a pop-oriented dance album (or the other way around) and the other's a pop-oriented R&B album. Neither was entirely original, but they were both perfect albums of their respective genres. I'm not saying anyone's wrong to pick one over the other, just explaining why I can't do so. lol | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: VoicesCarry said: Groundbreaking in the sense that it was a concept record about a strong-willed, independent young heroine declaring her independence. The music sounded like a youthful breakthrough. That's why it's timeless. There's some hard funky shit on there that Jam & Lewis had not truly attempted with Cherrelle, who was always the seductress. Even the funkiest tracks on the High Priority LP don't approach Control, What Have You Done For Me Lately or Nasty. So no, not like Cherrelle. Had Cherrelle made Control, she would have found similar success, though. But I don't think she had the attitude or the chutzpah for it. [Edited 7/30/05 11:47am] I agree that it was a great concept album. I would guess she wasn't the first to address those themes, though I certainly can't think of another album that came before it that did so. I was referring more to Jam & Lewis' work, not the lyrical themes Janet was addressing. I think Cherrelle was a good artist who never really found her way, but I wasn't just talking about the work they did with Cherrelle. I think songs like Cherrelle's Like I Will and I Didn't Mean to Turn You On, and S.O.S. Band's Just Be Good to Me and Just the Way You Like It are just as good as anything that would later make it onto Control. I think the advantage that Control has over Madonna is timing. By the time it was released, the video era was in full swing and videos had come along way since the days of Lucky Star. I think every video that was done for Control was great. Even though it was only a few years earlier, Madonna didn't benefit from promotional videos the way Janet's album did. Not that the album or any of the singles weren't good on their own without the promotional clips, but damn those videos were hot back then! In the end, I think it's a bit of an odd comparison. It could be because I like them both so much, and I really cannot pick a favorite between the two of them. One's a pop-oriented dance album (or the other way around) and the other's a pop-oriented R&B album. Neither was entirely original, but they were both perfect albums of their respective genres. I'm not saying anyone's wrong to pick one over the other, just explaining why I can't do so. lol Of course she wasn't the first to address those themes. Those are age-old themes But those themes and that fiery, aggressive independence were fresh coming from the mouth of a young female R&B artist on the cusp of adulthood. People like Aretha & Patti had been singing about respect, independence, and female power for decades, but no one had really sung about these things from the perspective of a teenage girl. Now that the Control LP and its lyrical sentiments have been copied so much by young artists, it's easy to forget what a big deal this was. But Control remains the blueprint, the best. When you're young, and you hear this:
[Spoken intro:] This is a story about control My control Control of what I say Control of what I do And this time I'm gonna do it my way (my way) I hope you enjoy this as much as I do Are we ready? I am 'Cause it's all about control (control) And I've got lots of it) When I was 17 I did what people told me, uhh! Did what my father said, and let my mother mold me But that was long ago I'm in Control Never gonna stop Control To get what I want Control I like to have a lot Control Now I'm all grown up First time I fell in love, I didn't know what hit me So young and so naive, I thought it would be easy Now I know I got to take Control Now I've got a lot, ow! Control To get what I want Control I'm never gonna stop Control Now I'm all grown up Jam, ooh ooh Rebel, that's right I'm on my own, I'll call my own shots Thank you Got my own mind I wanna make my own decisions When it has to do with my life, my life I wanna be the one in control So let me take you by the hand, and lead you in this dance Control It's what I got, because I took a chance I don't wanna rule the world, just wanna run my life Ooh So make your life a little easier When you get the chance just take Control, ooh ooh Now I've got a lot, ooh Control To get what I want, ow! Control I'm never gonna stop Control Now I'm all grown up, ooh! Free at last Out here on my own Ooh ooh ooh yeah, eee Now control this, uhh Control That's right Control Career moves Control I do what's right for me Control And me wants to groove Is that okay? Yeah! Ooh, control I've got my own mind Ooh baby Yeah yeah, yeah yeah I've got my own mind Wanna make my own decisions When it has to do with my life I wanna be the one in control it's a big deal. Yes, there is stuff equally as good in J&L's repetoire (although I don't think quite as funky or edgy). I can't say anything Cherrelle or the SOS band ever did appealed to me in the same way, because it didn't have a similar zeitgeist. Madonna is one of the best dance-pop albums of all time, but it's one you connect with on a very superficial level. If you're the right age, Control means a lot. Confidence, independence and attitude radiate from it. [Edited 7/30/05 15:56pm] | |
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Gotta go with Control though I like Madonna first album, but..... Like A Virgin is my favorite Madonna Album because of my "CHIC" bias. Nile Rodgers produced and played on it along with his other Chic co-horts Bernard Edwards and Tony Thompson, they are killin it on Material Girl somethin serious BTW!!!! [Edited 7/30/05 19:00pm] | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: VoicesCarry said: Groundbreaking in the sense that it was a concept record about a strong-willed, independent young heroine declaring her independence. The music sounded like a youthful breakthrough. That's why it's timeless. There's some hard funky shit on there that Jam & Lewis had not truly attempted with Cherrelle, who was always the seductress. Even the funkiest tracks on the High Priority LP don't approach Control, What Have You Done For Me Lately or Nasty. So no, not like Cherrelle. Had Cherrelle made Control, she would have found similar success, though. But I don't think she had the attitude or the chutzpah for it. [Edited 7/30/05 11:47am] I agree that it was a great concept album. I would guess she wasn't the first to address those themes, though I certainly can't think of another album that came before it that did so. I was referring more to Jam & Lewis' work, not the lyrical themes Janet was addressing. I think Cherrelle was a good artist who never really found her way, but I wasn't just talking about the work they did with Cherrelle. I think songs like Cherrelle's Like I Will and I Didn't Mean to Turn You On, and S.O.S. Band's Just Be Good to Me and Just the Way You Like It are just as good as anything that would later make it onto Control. I think the advantage that Control has over Madonna is timing. By the time it was released, the video era was in full swing and videos had come along way since the days of Lucky Star. I think every video that was done for Control was great. Even though it was only a few years earlier, Madonna didn't benefit from promotional videos the way Janet's album did. Not that the album or any of the singles weren't good on their own without the promotional clips, but damn those videos were hot back then! In the end, I think it's a bit of an odd comparison. It could be because I like them both so much, and I really cannot pick a favorite between the two of them. One's a pop-oriented dance album (or the other way around) and the other's a pop-oriented R&B album. Neither was entirely original, but they were both perfect albums of their respective genres. I'm not saying anyone's wrong to pick one over the other, just explaining why I can't do so. lol damn, i posted this long arse post about Cherelle's Affair (on a totally different creative streak as Control)..how it could have been a masterpiece if it didnt faulter halfway through side B.....how if they had just kept side A and added two songs (which would have made a 8 or 9 song album) it would be considered an masterpiece...how jam and lewis reached a creative paramount with Affair, Control, Human League, Herb Alpert... but nobody will ever see it, cause the site crashed when i posted... Space for sale... | |
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VoicesCarry said: RipHer2Shreds said: I agree that it was a great concept album. I would guess she wasn't the first to address those themes, though I certainly can't think of another album that came before it that did so. I was referring more to Jam & Lewis' work, not the lyrical themes Janet was addressing. I think Cherrelle was a good artist who never really found her way, but I wasn't just talking about the work they did with Cherrelle. I think songs like Cherrelle's Like I Will and I Didn't Mean to Turn You On, and S.O.S. Band's Just Be Good to Me and Just the Way You Like It are just as good as anything that would later make it onto Control. I think the advantage that Control has over Madonna is timing. By the time it was released, the video era was in full swing and videos had come along way since the days of Lucky Star. I think every video that was done for Control was great. Even though it was only a few years earlier, Madonna didn't benefit from promotional videos the way Janet's album did. Not that the album or any of the singles weren't good on their own without the promotional clips, but damn those videos were hot back then! In the end, I think it's a bit of an odd comparison. It could be because I like them both so much, and I really cannot pick a favorite between the two of them. One's a pop-oriented dance album (or the other way around) and the other's a pop-oriented R&B album. Neither was entirely original, but they were both perfect albums of their respective genres. I'm not saying anyone's wrong to pick one over the other, just explaining why I can't do so. lol Of course she wasn't the first to address those themes. Those are age-old themes But those themes and that fiery, aggressive independence were fresh coming from the mouth of a young female R&B artist on the cusp of adulthood. People like Aretha & Patti had been singing about respect, independence, and female power for decades, but no one had really sung about these things from the perspective of a teenage girl. Now that the Control LP and its lyrical sentiments have been copied so much by young artists, it's easy to forget what a big deal this was. But Control remains the blueprint, the best. When you're young, and you hear this:
[Spoken intro:] This is a story about control My control Control of what I say Control of what I do And this time I'm gonna do it my way (my way) I hope you enjoy this as much as I do Are we ready? I am 'Cause it's all about control (control) And I've got lots of it) When I was 17 I did what people told me, uhh! Did what my father said, 
and let my mother mold me But that was long ago I'm in Control Never gonna stop Control To get what I want Control I like to have a lot Control Now I'm all grown up First time I fell in love, I didn't know what hit me So young and so naive, I thought it would be easy Now I know I got to take Control Now I've got a lot, ow! Control To get what I want Control I'm never gonna stop Control Now I'm all grown up Jam, ooh ooh Rebel, that's right I'm on my own, I'll call my own shots Thank you Got my own mind I wanna make my own decisions When it has to do with my life, my life I wanna be the one in control So let me take you by the hand, and lead you in this dance Control It's what I got, because I took a chance I don't wanna rule the world, just wanna run my life Ooh So make your life a little easier When you get the chance just take Control, ooh ooh Now I've got a lot, ooh Control To get what I want, ow! Control I'm never gonna stop Control Now I'm all grown up, ooh! Free at last Out here on my own Ooh ooh ooh yeah, eee Now control this, uhh Control That's right Control Career moves Control I do what's right for me Control And me wants to groove Is that okay? Yeah! Ooh, control I've got my own mind Ooh baby Yeah yeah, yeah yeah I've got my own mind Wanna make my own decisions When it has to do with my life I wanna be the one in control I think you're overstating the importance of that track, but that's ok since you're a fan. To me that song was just about being a Jackson. | |
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lilgish said: VoicesCarry said: Of course she wasn't the first to address those themes. Those are age-old themes But those themes and that fiery, aggressive independence were fresh coming from the mouth of a young female R&B artist on the cusp of adulthood. People like Aretha & Patti had been singing about respect, independence, and female power for decades, but no one had really sung about these things from the perspective of a teenage girl. Now that the Control LP and its lyrical sentiments have been copied so much by young artists, it's easy to forget what a big deal this was. But Control remains the blueprint, the best. When you're young, and you hear this:
[Spoken intro:] This is a story about control My control Control of what I say Control of what I do And this time I'm gonna do it my way (my way) I hope you enjoy this as much as I do Are we ready? I am 'Cause it's all about control (control) And I've got lots of it) When I was 17 I did what people told me, uhh! Did what my father said,
and let my mother mold me But that was long ago I'm in Control Never gonna stop Control To get what I want Control I like to have a lot Control Now I'm all grown up First time I fell in love, I didn't know what hit me So young and so naive, I thought it would be easy Now I know I got to take Control Now I've got a lot, ow! Control To get what I want Control I'm never gonna stop Control Now I'm all grown up Jam, ooh ooh Rebel, that's right I'm on my own, I'll call my own shots Thank you Got my own mind I wanna make my own decisions When it has to do with my life, my life I wanna be the one in control So let me take you by the hand, and lead you in this dance Control It's what I got, because I took a chance I don't wanna rule the world, just wanna run my life Ooh So make your life a little easier When you get the chance just take Control, ooh ooh Now I've got a lot, ooh Control To get what I want, ow! Control I'm never gonna stop Control Now I'm all grown up, ooh! Free at last Out here on my own Ooh ooh ooh yeah, eee Now control this, uhh Control That's right Control Career moves Control I do what's right for me Control And me wants to groove Is that okay? Yeah! Ooh, control I've got my own mind Ooh baby Yeah yeah, yeah yeah I've got my own mind Wanna make my own decisions When it has to do with my life I wanna be the one in control I think you're overstating the importance of that track, but that's ok since you're a fan. To me that song was just about being a Jackson. 
Not just the track, the whole album. And all of it has great importance to me, not just from a musical perspective. [Edited 7/30/05 20:14pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: So no, not like Cherrelle. Had Cherrelle made Control, she would have found similar success, though. But I don't think she had the attitude or the chutzpah for it.
Too bad Janet doesn't have it anymore.  | |
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GangstaFam said: VoicesCarry said: So no, not like Cherrelle. Had Cherrelle made Control, she would have found similar success, though. But I don't think she had the attitude or the chutzpah for it.
Too bad Janet doesn't have it anymore. She's still got more than Madonna's tame religious hausfrau image. | |
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VoicesCarry said: She's still got more than Madonna's tame religious hausfrau image.
I don't know about that. Madonna's usually at least funny or interesting in interviews. And that hausfrau image doesn't really carry over into her work - tours, videos, etc. Janet just seems to be phoning it in this decade. And she seems like she's barely there in interviews - either glazed over or refusing to answer questions. Did you see her on Letterman last year? Jeez. | |
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GangstaFam said: VoicesCarry said: She's still got more than Madonna's tame religious hausfrau image.
I don't know about that. Madonna's usually at least funny or interesting in interviews. And that hausfrau image doesn't really carry over into her work - tours, videos, etc. Janet just seems to be phoning it in this decade. And she seems like she's barely there in interviews - either glazed over or refusing to answer questions. Did you see her on Letterman last year? Jeez. Did you listen to American Life? Jeez. [Edited 7/31/05 12:06pm] | |
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