Moonbeam said:

Me too. Mariah's nice, but pretty vacant. Madonna was my first celebrity crush. She still does it for me.

Mariah is pretty.Madonna is pretty.I've had "dreams" about the both of them

DavidEye said:

In the same dream?

GangstaFam said:

No.But that would be hot,wouldn't it?

Madonná´s better dancer. Mariah´s better singer.
They´re both pretty - or were at certain times.

Madonna is more famous just because of her so-called ability to invent herself which in fact is just the ability to constantly shock no matter what it takes - that´s all.

So to sum it up - none of them is better than the other.

I'm probably the only one in the whole wide world that actually prefers Madonna's style of singing.

murph said:

Woof, woof, woof, woof!
(Doin' the Arsenio Hall cheer, waving my arm in the air like I just don't care.)

Amen.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

JackieBlue said:

Yeah,I am a fan of both artists.They're both great at what they do.

Mariah is without a doubt a great vocalist. But she's BORGING! and her music is boring too

728huey said:

I agree with everything you said.But when it comes to songwriting,I'd say they're about even.Both of them write the majority of their own lyrics,and they both have written some classic songs.

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This is the problem with these type of threads where two artists are pitted against each other with no criteria given as a clear basis for discussion. "Talented" how was never established. In this case, I think what has happened is there are arguments for someone with a MUSICAL SKILL (Mariah) vs. someone with an ENTERTAINMENT SKILL (Madonna)

I always thought that participation in MUSIC on a professional level involved displaying a certain level of competency with a specific MUSICAL SKILL or SKILLS. (vocal, instrumental, composition).

Now being an ENTERTAINER, in my mind, is something completely different. Some people find Carrot Top entertaining.
And there's nothing wrong with that.

This is why a musical entity like Steely Dan for example, can be successful for many years without anyone ever seeing them.
They were successful based on MUSICAL SKILLS alone.

Would you all still laud Madonna if you never could have seen her but just heard her records? Be honest.

And let me bias the argument even further (in Mariah's direction this time) by asking what is Madonna's MUSICAL SKILL?


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

theAudience said:

Hell yes. Her music is sublime.



She writes killer melodies and she exudes style with everything she does.

So Mariah can hit every not known to man. It doesn't mean she has style.

theAudience said:

I would argue that Madonna does have musical skills.She writes lyrics,composes melodies and sings songs.It takes talent to do that....are you suggesting otherwise? Not just anybody can sit down and write songs that become pop classics.Yes,she sometimes uses co-writers and producers,but so does Mariah and most other female pop artists.



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theAudience said:

Absolutely.Songs like "Into The Groove","Like A Prayer" and "Vogue" sound great,whether you're watching her sing it,or just hearing it on the radio.

Some of her songs are ok but her singing is very average
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Dewrede said:

lilgish said:

Okay,let's try this again....


Madonna writes lyrics.I repeat...she writes lyrics.When you hear a Madonna song,most of the lyrics are hers.I always thought that writing song lyrics is part of the creative process of making music.Am I wrong?


She composes melodies.No,she is not Patrice Rushen,but she can write song lyrics and come up with a melody.

She sings songs.She can hold a note.No,she is not Aretha Franklin,but she can still sing a song.


So...are you suggesting that it takes absolutely no talent to do these things? Are you implying that anybody can do what Madonna does? Sure,Madonna has all those other things going for her (the image...the look....the controversies....the "break-all-the-rules" mentality,etc),but she also has undiputable talent and skills.

two totally different chicks. mariah can sing better obviously...but id put her up against someone like whitney before madonna lol

Christopher said:

but we already did a "Mariah Vs.Whitney" thread


these types of threads are silly,but I'm enjoying this one

Madonna hands down is better than pumpkinface.

DavidEye said:

You nailed my response David.


Also, Im suprised Scorpion sided with Madonna.
Im also suprised this topic exists.

DavidEye said:

haha i dont remember the thread>? but yeah this thread was all get some popcorn and sit down to read it

GangstaFam said:

No you are not, thank you.
I've always loved Madonna's singing, but apparently you're only a good singer if you can master vocal gymnastics.

I would rather listen to Madonna or Janet than hear Mariah, Celine or Whitney scream throughout their songs. So they can hit 5 octaves or whatever, to me that doesn't keep my interest as Madonna's music does.

jayaredee said:

I'm really impressed with alot of the pro-Madonna comments on this thread.I'm getting all warm and fuzzy

jayaredee said:

When I hear a song,it's not just the vocals that I'm into.I like hearing songs that are edgy,unique and distinctive.I'll take a less-than-stellar vocalist with brilliant,edgy material over a more "talented" vocalist with a bland,formulaic song that sounds like everything else on the radio.

I'm not referring to Mariah,btw.For the most part,her material is usually great,if not exactly edgy.

theAudience said:

Here's an article for you


During his Australian Tour , last february , Stuart Price aka Jacques Lu Cont talked with The Herald Sun , about his current works with Madonna. Here is part of the interview featured in The Melbourne Hit section.

HE has Madonna on his speed dial and a day job in her band, and New Order liked his take on their trademark sound so much they hired him to work on their new album. Yes, life is good when you are Jacques Lu Cont. .....

Price was recruited by Madonna to play guitar and all-important keyboards on her Drowned World and Reinvention world tours. Madonna reinvented some of her biggest hits for the latter, and Price wore a huge grin for most of it.

``It's hard not to have a ball when you're standing on stage in a kilt hitting a drum next to Madonna,'' he says. ``That tour was an amazing opportunity to play that kind of music to that many people. Even if you're responsible for making only 20 per cent of it have a lot of dance music integrity, you're doing something right.''

This year Price is no longer just the hired help on tour: he's started writing songs with Madonna for her new album. He's coy when asked about the direction in which Madonna will head after the lukewarm reaction to her American Life record.

``We don't actually talk about other people she's working with,'' he says, but hints she may be embracing the '80s dance pop he makes.

``Stylistically I'm certainly not doing anything I wouldn't normally do.''

He's quick to praise his boss and her often-ignored musical prowess. ``She's brilliant to work with. She often doesn't get credit for the fact she's an amazing producer. She'll carry her vision right through from beginning to end without ever dithering or losing sight of what's going on.
``The one thing you'll never hear Madonna say is, `Hmm, I don't really know what to do'. She always knows where she wants to take things and she'll push you until she gets it. She's an amazing musician

jayaredee said:

I think Madonna has a vision and knows how to make it happen. But there's a huge difference between that and being a "producer" and a "musician". Neither Mariah nor Madonna qualifies, imo, because those are not skills they've mastered in any way.
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No.

VoicesCarry said:

I beg to differ, just read the article. Madonna's skills are vastly underrated.