theAudience said:

you the man.

Well put , theaudience

From a pure voice standpoint, HELL YEAH!!!! Madonna ain't touchin her. But from a entertainer stand point, NO!! Mariah wish she had Madonna's other talents.

Madonna Vs. Mariah Carey : Madonna
Like A Virgin Vs. Emotions : Like A Virgin
True Blue Vs. Music Box: True Blue

Like A Prayer Vs. Daydream: Like A Prayer
Breathless Vs. Butterfly : Butterfly
Erotica vs. Rainbow: Rainbow
Bedtime Story Vs. Glitter : Glitter
Ray Of Light Vs. Charmbracelet : HHHMMMMM...Ray Of Light while experimental puts me to sleep and Charmbracelet had lots of filler..but Charmbracelet
Music Vs. Mimi : Mimi
American Life Vs. Next Mariah album...IM PRETTY SURE NEXT MARIAH ALBUM compared 2 that nonsense...

If u wanna throw Remix albums around too...

You Can Dance Vs. The Remixes #1 (Rap) : The Remixes #1
Madonna Revisited vs. The Remixes #2 (Dance): The Remixes #2

U can get technical too:

Evita soundtrack Vs. Glitter : havent heard Evita
Who's That Girl Vs. Glitter : (Is that even fair?)

Video's
We all know Madonna wins that round
[Edited 5/30/05 21:34pm]

lilgish said:

2 times

i'm still trying to figure out how these two women...with very different sounds and styles...are being compared.

theAudience said:

Even back in the earlier years?







She was cute.

theAudience said:

were those singers actually considered pop? rosemary clooney? pop? seems more like comparing very different genres AND eras. i agree that pop music today is pretty lame compared to previous decades but, to be honest, that's what our parents said about our music and its what our grandparents said about our parents' music. regardless of those who came before, "pop" music by definition is just "popular" music. does the difference in qualifiers really matter?

squiddyren said:

the earlier madonna albums were top notches...When Erotica came out..and the more mature Madonna started showin' her 'pop' flavour and her upbeat music slowed down. But that's what happens. I just wanna know what she gonna do next!!!

After about 2 or 3 years mariah will come out with another R&B album we all know, just like Janet. Madonna has already did the R&B thing.

In the same time...Mariah's recent albums since Butterfly have been more interesting than Madonna's new releases..in my opinion.

twink69 said:

It's about time someone came to their senses...The question was not who had more relevance in pop culture or who was the bigger star...Of course Madonna is a bigger icon, but I think people on this site need to stop shitting on vocalists...It seems their is a bias against true "singers" on this site....I'm not a huge Mariah fan, but clearly she's the more talented...The chick was even writing and producing her own music in her prime...Now would I rather listen to a Madonna album or Mariah? The answer is Madonna...But that doesn't take away from Mariah's talent...People on this site always shit on female pop artists and the fact that they don't write their own material...I think it's time to at least respect the woman's talent...she's a damn good vocalist and an adequete writer for her genre....

lilgish said:

Lauryn can sing...she may be crazy as hell though..And by the way...Lauryn was booed off the Apollo stage when she was 15 and green....

This woman's more talented than either one put together.

murph said:

some of us have different perspectives of just what exactly gets billed under talent. i think showmanship is a hueg part of "talent" and nobody beats madonna in that field. in today's pop world there are many more factors than songwriting and singing, for better or for worse. music video, dance remixes, image building, and production are all factors that need to be considered. i'm aware that other people besides the artists in question are behind those factors but it doesn't change the fact that the artists make the decisions of whom to work with. that, i believe, is part of madonna's talent and where she stands head and shoulders above her so called competition. she knows what to do, how to do it, when to do it, and who to do it with. i don't care what anybody says, that's talent!

squiddyren said:

No, she really wasnt...

GangstaFam said:

and at that, i bid you all good night!
[Edited 5/30/05 21:39pm]

SassyBritches said:

You said it, not me
[Edited 5/30/05 21:47pm]

Scorpion said:

Mariah is a better classically trained vocalist. And she also been co-writing her own lyrics from day one.

Madonna is a better entertainer/performer & classically trained dancer. She is a master of gimmicks (read: a female David Bowie, IMO).

SassyBritches said:

It's THE Ultimate Face-Off of 2 Female Icons!

Madonna (an icon of the 80's) vs. Mariah (an icon of the 90's)

They should do a world tour together & let the people decide which of these ladies is THE Most Talented Female Artist of the last century.

They could make some serious money.

Think about it.

SassyBritches said:

Rosemary Clooney had two #1 Pop Hits (Billboard)
Come On-a My House - 1951 (8 weeeks)
Half As Much - 1952 (3 weeks)

Other POP hits:
Hey There - 1954
This Ole House - 1954

Although she sang other styles, she can also be considered a bonafide POP singer in the early 50s.

What a Difference A Day Makes and Baby (You Got What it Takes) , a duet with Brook Benton in 1960 were both hits.

I chose the names carefully to provide a clear timeline of hit making female POP vocalists through the 50s to illustrate my point.
I'm sure you have no question with Aretha Franklin, Dusty Springfield, Chaka Khan and Jackie DeShannon?

And it's not about the generational differences of what our parents or grandparents considered good or bad, it's about a standard of competence which IMO has been blurred beyond recognition. Image over a specific skill. In this case singing. That's what I was getting at.

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

She's cute too.

squiddyren said:

I'm not going to argue that subjective point with you.
I personally don't find her attractive. Just not my type.

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

theAudience said:

'kay.

TonyVanDam said:

squiddyren said:

Cool.

Now Mariah , that's another story.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

Scorpion said:

Mariah's vocal ability is a plus. But like her counterpart Madonna, they both have aged and have become so damn passe and I am not feeling neither one of thier asses anymore period.

well,obviously Mariah is a better singer than Madonna.There is no doubt about that.Celine Dion and Whitney Houston are also better singers than Madonna.But for many reasons,I find Madonna to be much more interesting than all of them.She's bolder,takes more chances and she actually evolves with each album.I like Mariah's latest CD,but honestly,it's basically the same formula she's been using since the mid-90s.The only difference is,she's got some great melodies and hooks this time around.But would she ever make a bold,challenging album like 'Ray Of Light'? To me,being a great artist is more than just having a great voice.It's also the ability to evolve,re-invent yourself and try new things.Madonna is a master at that.

DavidEye said:

As [color=green]it is Madonna last album wasn't cutting it.I understand your point about reinventing yourself but after a point all her moves become too damn predictable with age and thats when she needs to hang it up. Also, I will say the same for Mariah, Celine, Janet, and Whitney.[/color]

twink69 said:

I think the problem with today's R&B music is,there is a lack of innovation.Everyone is doing the same thing,working with the same producers,etc.I'd love to see Mariah get away from R&B for awhile...maybe do a loud,rock/electronica album.It'll never happen,but it would be exciting.

SassyBritches said:

some of us have different perspectives of just what exactly gets billed under talent. i think showmanship is a hueg part of "talent" and nobody beats madonna in that field. in today's pop world there are many more factors than songwriting and singing, for better or for worse. music video, dance remixes, image building, and production are all factors that need to be considered. i'm aware that other people besides the artists in question are behind those factors but it doesn't change the fact that the artists make the decisions of whom to work with. that, i believe, is part of madonna's talent and where she stands head and shoulders above her so called competition. she knows what to do, how to do it, when to do it, and who to do it with. i don't care what anybody says, that's talent! [/quote]



Madonna may not have the best voice in pop music,but when it comes to the "whole package" (longevity,concerts,videos,overall impact,evolving,etc),she is tops.

From a physical standpoint, count me with those who find Madonna much more attractive. I've never found Mariah pretty.