VoicesCarry said:

oh, i agree. but then, i wouldn't be going to a Kylie show to hear her voice either.

Tessa said:

Nah, you go to hear pop songs. But it's a show in every sense of the word, between her dancers and sets and wardrobe changes, etc. At least effort goes into it, unlike, say, a Britney tour.

VoicesCarry said:

from what i've seen of their live shows, they're pretty much the same thing. except one dances. sort of.

Tessa said:

All Britney does is do a dance, show a video, do a dance, show a video, do a dance, show a video until her 90 minutes are done (only about 45 minutes of it is music, of course). Lazy stuff.
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jayaredee said:

This is Legs . Basically, they are the same shit and from different countries.

VoicesCarry said:

so then, you're agreeing, except Britney's one up on her with the dancing

Kylie is more than just dance... Britney is more than just singing.

I wouldn't ever go to a Britney Spears so and expect it to be sung live. I do expect it to run smoother than what it does. LESS VIDEO INTERLUDES.

Kylie i know isn't a dancer though i think William Bakers choices in Cherographers for the dancers suck.
Though i do know Kylie will sing the whole show live.

Novabreaker said:

Comments like this just show how successful Kylie has been in remaking her image. The idea that Kylie's market is predominantly adult sounds absolutely ridiculous to any Australian (and probably Brit) whose exposure to the woman is older than a few years. I think there might be a latent cultural inferiority at play here too: Kylie has harnessed the exotic allure of the European club scene and her contrived cosmopolitan sophistication for the purpose of selling more "mature" dance-pop to the Americans, who understandably feel ashamed of embracing a market already crowded out by pre-teen plasticity.

I happen to prefer Kylie's stuff, but I'm not delusional enough to think that it's any more "serious" or "adult" than Britney Spears.

Tessa said:

I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

Moonbeam said:

No, I'm not. Nothing you've ever played for me by her has risen above bubblegum. She is the epitome of poptart. And there's nothing wrong with either of those things, but to say that that isn't what she is is ludicrous.

Tessa said:

You haven't heard any of her material from 1994-1998, none of which is that of a mere pop tart.

Kylie is capable of being a poptart, but she is much, much more than that.

Moonbeam said:

well this is 2005, and if she turned away from bubblegum on 1994-1998, then great for her. but her last 2 albums are the epitome of poptart. so if she's regressed from having moved forward artistically, fine. but there is nothing to her image, her videos, her live performances, or her music that's i've seen in the last 5 years that doesn't scream pop-tart. she's a kittenish sex symbol making trendy dance pop. how else would one describe her?

Tessa said:

Light Years and Fever are over the top pop. Body Language has some songs that aren't really pop. "I Feel for You" doesn't exactly scream poptart, nor do songs like "Chocolate", "Someday" or "After Dark".

At the end of the day, Kylie is a tried and true pop artist, but she is capable of venturing beyond mere poptart boundaries. That is all.

Moonbeam said:

i'm sorry, you're quite wrong about that. I Feel For You is the very definition of pop. as is everything on those 2 albums.




yeah, well let's see it then

Tessa said:

Pop is different than "poptart". You know that.



If you were around, I could play songs from Kylie Minouge, Impossible Princess and Hits+, which covers that period of her career. The image, the style and the vocals are much different than either her early period or her pop rebirth.
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Moonbeam said:

you said she did songs that weren't really pop. name one



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don't mistake this conversation as a request to be exposed to her any more than i already have.

The semantics of what make a song "pop" are pretty sketchy, but "I Feel for You", "Someday", "Still Standing" and "After Dark" are not exactly your typical pop fodder. Yes, they could fall under an overarching category of "popular music", but they certainly aren't run-of-the-mill pop music these days. That doesn't necessarily mean they are good ("After Dark" is pretty mediocre), but you wouldn't find Hilary Duff, JoJo, Britney, Ashlee and the like trying to pull off "I Feel for You".

As for exposing you to her music, I wouldn't try because I know you're predisposed to not like her. And that's perfectly fine. But don't ask for evidence for other styles of music present in her catalogue and reject it if you really want proof.

Moonbeam said:

I can't speak on the other 3 songs as I either haven't heard them or don't remember them. But "I Feel For You" is 100% straight-up pop confection. And yes, it's very close to something I'd imagine Britney doing. The others you mentioned wouldn't do it... because that's not the kind of pop they do. "I Feel For You" is unadulturated dance pop (and a good example of it, to boot). Just because it's good doesn't mean it's not 100% fun pop.




yeah, right.



Actually, that's not true at all. I'm not predisposed to not liking her. I LOVED "Can't Get You Out Of My Head" (which, from her material that I've heard, remains her most edgey dance track to date). But after hearing more of her work, came to the conclusion that I just don't like her. And despite that I enjoy a song by her here and there, the more it's crammed down my throat, the more sure I am that I don't like her.



well I asked for an example, and you gave "I Feel For You".... which is a song I actually know by title and can hum to myself. So if that's the best example you've got of her doing un-pop songs, then understandably, any other examples you give are going to be suspect, when that one, to me, sounds like the absolute epitome of pop. (and pop-tart, for that matter...) but hell, i don't care if she is pop or not. i LOVE pop. my point is that to say that she's more than pop when she hasn't ever demonstrated the fact, is way off base.

Tessa said:

If you think "I Feel for You" is the kind of pop Britney would do, you have another thing coming. If your opinion of pop-tart is that it is epitomized by "I Feel for You", then I guess we just differ there. There is no way that the artists I view as pop tarts would have such fucked up production in their songs.



Playing Kylie while you happen to be around is different than trying to expose you to her music. Sure, I play her a lot- I like her a lot! I've given up trying to force people to like something, which I will admit was an immature trait I used to have.



"I Feel for You" was not the example of an "un-pop" song I gave if you go back a few responses. The examples I gave are songs that you apparently won't listen to, and that's your problem, not mine.



Not as off base as to dismiss an idea without being willing to even examine the evidence...

It's fine if you don't like Kylie. Again, I'll stress that she is a pop artist, but I stand by the claim that she has ventured beyond the point of comfort for most other pop artists. I should know because I've actually heard the material of which I speak. Don't pretend to have an educated opinion about her more experimental departures (or lack thereof) if you aren't willing to actually listen to those proposed.


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she sucks, get over it

Tessa said:

She's great, get over it!

Get a room you two. Away from me.

Great to see passion for 2 acts that are actually more embarrassing then the music I dig. Well kylie is anyway

By the way, Paula Abdul sung live on her tour aswell, yet it was dull as she could not dance aswell. Kylie cannot dance so she HAS to sing live really.

Britney vs Kylie

This is very high on my "mud-wrestling fantasy" list.

TheFrogSpawn said:

Kylie? Nah. J lo maybe. J lo vs britney.


Kylie vs britney in mud? I'd say brit would win.

J lo vs britney, j lo would be my bet.

thesexofit said:

tall you what - honestly, i thought in the film U-Turn, that Jennifer Lopez was about the most beautiful thing i'd ever seen.

I haven't found her attractive since.

She looks incredible in that film - but since then. Nah.

thesexofit said:

you'd think that in all these years of having to sing because she can't rely on the distraction of dancing she'd have actually learned how to sing... you know, trained her voice in a way where she could actually come off as a singer, rather than just moaning and cooing and breathily whispering through her songs.

I'm a Kylie fan.I like her electronica/pop style.Britney has the potential to be a major player in the industry.She could do what Madonna did with Maverick,become a media mogul.Right now,she seems to be focused on being a wife and mother.Anyway,Kylie rules!!!

Tessa said:

She doesn't always do that, but my guess is you wouldn't want to hear the evidence.

Moonbeam said:

no, because i've heard the other, and she should stick to the cooing and whispering unless she's going to learn how to sing