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Axchi696 said: I've really been forced to question my level of Janet fandom over recent months. I grew up with a copy of Rhythm Nation 1814 in my hands, and can vividly remember the Control videos ruling MTV. I've seen the woman three times in concert, own everything she's put to disc (and most everything she's pressed to vinyl), and even sat through Poetic Justice.
However, after the release of Damita Jo, I really had to sit back and question why I've dedicated so much energy to this woman. Control and 1814 were near flawless albums (He Doesn't Even Know I'm Alive and Living in a World are pretty shitty tracks), Janet had spots of brilliance, and Velvet Rope could've been a great 12 or 13 track album. Her last two albums were both pretty unremarkable and mediocre. DJ had more passable songs that AFY, but the most exciting thing about Janet's CDs of late has been wondering where she's going to put the rainstorm on the album, and what nickname she's going to use for vagina this time around (cootchie, "deep in my love", et. all). Similarly, I'm not even sure I'll be seeing her next tour unless I know that she isn't going to remake the janet. tour again. She did herself a huge disservice by allowing that new repackaging of Velvet Rope/All For You concerts on one DVD. Now people really will know exactly how similar her shows have been. Janet, I don't need to see you remake your videos move for move every time you put on a concert. I feel like I already know exactly how she's going to do 'Escapade', 'Alright', 'If', 'Black Cat', 'Together Again', 'Rhythm Nation', etc... Anyway, I'm sure that I'll buy her new album on the day it's released, but unless she puts out something different (and not trend-chasing), this might be the end of the line for Miss Jackson, at least as far as I'm concerned. I'll still treasure my copies of Rhythm Nation and Control, and I'll still be amazed by the videos for Rhythm Nation and Pleasure Principle, but that'll probably be as far as it'll go. I adored Janet in high school, but the truth of the matter is she's just not that creative of an artist. She has a vocal style that works for her, which translates to her not having much of a voice. That could be forgiven if she had the knack for stronger pop like Ms. Minogue, but who does at this point? Retirement might be a good decision. |
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CynicKill said: I adored Janet in high school, but the truth of the matter is she's just not that creative of an artist. She has a vocal style that works for her, which translates to her not having much of a voice. That could be forgiven if she had the knack for stronger pop like Ms. Minogue, but who does at this point? Retirement might be a good decision. 
This is what I wanted to say earlier. She's not very creative nor very interesting as a persona. I think she tries to be at times but it all sorta gets overshadowed by a something or someone else. I figured by now she really would have evolved as a songwriter or produced a whole album by herself, maybe even learn an instrument. But one day back in the 90s it clicked. She just wasn't that type of artist. I skipped the TVR tour because I could not endure the same routine one more time and I had already seen her a dozen times. Checked out AFY but wasn't impressed. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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I think Janet is still under the influence that sex sells. actually it doesn't work as well now in days cause everyone does it.
Now with Beyonce, Britney, Xtina, less people will pay any attention to Janet if she tries to push the sexual button.. | |
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jayaredee said: I think Janet is still under the influence that sex sells. actually it doesn't work as well now in days cause everyone does it.
Now with Beyonce, Britney, Xtina, less people will pay any attention to Janet if she tries to push the sexual button.. 
...hmmm....She's still got a couple of buttons up her sleeve, methinks. I didn't care much for Damita Jo overall, but I did like "Sexhibition", which is very Janet in nature. Janet just needs a new fire lit under her. Right now she seems to be in "comfy mode". She needs to challenge herself as a singer. Beyonce, Britney, Christina A., Amerie, Christina Milian, Mya, Pink and a long list of others all borrow from her. She's an innovator of sorts, she just needs to up her game like her brother used to do. Every time people thought they had Mike down, he'd change his game completely. Same with Prince & Madonna. Janet needs to realize her position and cop the same attitude about herself. | |
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you gotta admit, the dancehall remix of "all nite" with elephant man was the ILLEST thing janet has done in ages. that track was straight FIYAH. |
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moderatorI do not own any janet post janet 1993 album, but I heard the singles.....
I liked the title song "all for you" and the video was dope! "doesn't really matter" was her popiest song I heard from her in ages. Verses are a bit shady but chorus alright. Janet has been lucky to say around as long as she has (or did).....never understood why people think she can sell the amount of albums or make as good as albums she did during the early 90's! She is all producer built. Like Paula was. | |
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Janet's still cool in my book. Her stuff after Velvet Rope has largely been hit and miss, but I still check for her when she drops new material. | |
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nammie said: Chico319 said: All For You was about 60% good. Damita Jo should've been an ep consisting of "All Nite", "R & B Junkie", and "Put Your Hands On"...maybe 1 or 2 other tracks.
She's falling into the Mariah syndrome. Everything is the same, from song topics, to album covers.  Quit trying to be a 13 year old girl in love, and grow the fuck up already. If you're going to sing about your sexual escapades (no pun intended), or how sensual you are, don't fucking give me the 'Hello Kitty' version. I'd be much more interested in your sexuality as a WOMAN!
MARIAH: always calling people lambs. 
JANET: Always calling (her same dancers from every tour) the Kids. 
MARIAH: Please only take my album covers of one side of my face. JANET: Hmmmm let's do a semi naked shot in white sheets again. MARIAH: I felt trapped...I needed to be free. (about her marriage) JANET: I felt trapped...I needed to be free. (about her sexuality) MARIAH: Album titles: Butterfly, Rainbow, Fantasy, Music Box, etc... JANET: ok..her album titles are ok I guess.. 
At the end of the day...no matter what Janet does musically, she will forever be known for her ugly right breast. 
 Janet and Mariah playing in mother's jewelery box for album inspiration edit.
[Edited 3/7/05 17:12pm] OOh that's just WRONG!!! LOL true but wrong!! hahahahaha | |
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I actually like All For You a lot; it still gets a lot of airplay in my house.
The Velvet Rope, on the other hand, was a disappointment to me. It's been years since I played that CD. | |
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DavidEye said: squiddyren said: Sex has become her principal muse. If she enjoys sex and wants to express herself through her music then hats off to her, but the content on these latest two albums strike me as rather premature and pathetic. She's pushing 40 now; I'm sure she has much more on her mind than her next orgasm.
I've been saying this for the longest time.Janet seems to be stuck in "sex kitten" mode,and she's been there since 1993.'Rhythm Nation' is a stunning collection of songs that touch on various topics,but the albums that came after are primarily focused on her next orgasm (lol).I knew 'Damita Jo' was doomed when,just before it came out,one of the producers,Dallas Austin,told a reporter that it would "explore Janet's sexuality",as if that's something new and bold for Janet.Sex-themed R&B albums are a dime a dozen these days.  David said 'orgasm'. | |
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Every artist has their peak and I believe Janet's had hers. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Every artist has their peak and I believe Janet's had hers.
well, it wasnt really a peak..it was more like a flat tire....  Space for sale... | |
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VoicesCarry said: VinnyM27 said: I'm not sure if DJ is a relationship album. If you ask me, it's her most lost album if you ask me, the only one without a theme or centeral idea of any kind. It doesn't seem to have a purpose...it was just like "Here is an album". I thought "All For You" was at least a response to the breakup of her marriage and how she got over it (for the most part). That's one of the reasons I really liked AFY at first and probably the reason I think I might dig it more than DJ right now. I think the reason people think DJ is a sex album because the sexual songs are SO damn blatant, even more than the AFY sex songs. Nothing is as blatant as "Would You Mind" - or as awful. Which is the core of what tainted the album for me. I realized I bought the special edition without "Would You Mind", and I realized I like it better that way. And I agree with Sassy about how Damita Jo isn't really a "sex album". | |
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VinnyM27 said: seanski said: It's more like her producers are "stuck in a rut". Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis haven't done anything "fresh" since "Janet" and "The Velvet Rope". They haven't even been producing any other artist as of late. When was the last time they produced a artist besides Janet.
[Edited 3/7/05 15:35pm] [Edited 3/7/05 15:36pm] If you ask me, the weakness is all the addtional producers on DJ. Kayne adds little ("I Want You" is a dissapointing single choice and that is his most notable track on there) and I like Dallas usually but he didn't add much more. "Island Life" is a huge let down from Cathy Dennis, a woman who has recorded great hits and wrote some great stuff for Kylie. However, the Babyface track was nice and the Euro producers gave the album a real shot in the arm. I don't think it's just Jimmy Jam and Terry. I think the best song on 'Damita Jo' is "Just A Little While",which Jam and Lewis had nothing to do with.Perhaps Janet should have hired Dallas as the main producer,and went in a more pop/rock direction? His rock songs are great (remember TLC's "Unpretty" or Pink's "Just Like A Pill"?).That would have been more interesting than the run-of-the-mill R&B that dominates most of her album. | |
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damn y'all are some over analytical mofo's, it's music you like or you don't, Janet's future sucess will be just like every other popstart out there, it will be based on how much promotion and spin her label give her in the media (quality of music is a bonus) and sine her husband is the head of the label, she could be lucky
and just because you guys have an opinion don't make it gospel, I think most of you have no idea, I for 1 (and most people i know) buy Janets records for those slow "baby making" (or whatever u guys call it) songs and god dammit there better be some thunderstorm on this new album!! it just wouldn't be right. Her dance tracks are a nice addition to her real music on the albums, but after a few months they are dated and never listen to them again (Gwen Stefani anyone??) Anytime Anyplace, Anything, 70's love groove, when we ooo, would you mind, warmth to name a few are janet trademarks and why so many people like me buy her albums, so I say Janet for you next album get a another face lift "pop" the viagra get out the toys, take out the other boob, and let us hear u cum again and again! . [Edited 3/9/05 1:54am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: Let's face it: The interludes are probably not going to go. That's ok, because I always burn a copy of her CD's (excluding RN) with the interludes deleted. If the music is good, I'll forgive her the indulgence of interludes.
I actually like All For You. It grew on me. There are some great tracks on there. The title track, Come On Get Up, Trust A Try, Feels So Right, Better Days, You Ain't Right, When We Oooo, Not so much Damita Jo, though. She needs to stop trying to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was Any Time, Any Place - no more shitty slow-jams with the thunderstorm sounds.
wtf?  excuse me.... why have we been having the same argument about janet over and over for the last several months if basically you agree with me? "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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twink69 said: so I say Janet for you next album get a another face lift "pop" the viagra get out the toys, take out the other boob, and let us hear u cum again and again!
twink, you're too much | |
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JackieBlue said: CynicKill said: I adored Janet in high school, but the truth of the matter is she's just not that creative of an artist. She has a vocal style that works for her, which translates to her not having much of a voice. That could be forgiven if she had the knack for stronger pop like Ms. Minogue, but who does at this point? Retirement might be a good decision.
This is what I wanted to say earlier. She's not very creative nor very interesting as a persona. I think she tries to be at times but it all sorta gets overshadowed by a something or someone else. I figured by now she really would have evolved as a songwriter or produced a whole album by herself, maybe even learn an instrument. But one day back in the 90s it clicked. She just wasn't that type of artist. Janet is a decent pop artist,but I think she's afraid to grow,evolve and try new things.She needs to make a bold,challenging album for once.It's too easy to continually write songs about how much you wanna fuck somebody (lol). | |
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twink69 said: damn y'all are some over analytical mofo's, it's music you like or you don't, Janet's future sucess will be just like every other popstart out there, it will be based on how much promotion and spin her label give her in the media (quality of music is a bonus) and sine her husband is the head of the label, she could be lucky
and just because you guys have an opinion don't make it gospel, I think most of you have no idea, I for 1 (and most people i know) buy Janets records for those slow "baby making" (or whatever u guys call it) songs and god dammit there better be some thunderstorm on this new album!! it just wouldn't be right. Her dance tracks are a nice addition to her real music on the albums, but after a few months they are dated and never listen to them again (Gwen Stefani anyone??) Anytime Anyplace, Anything, 70's love groove, when we ooo, would you mind, warmth to name a few are janet trademarks and why so many people like me buy her albums, so I say Janet for you next album get a another face lift "pop" the viagra get out the toys, take out the other boob, and let us hear u cum again and again! . [Edited 3/9/05 1:54am]  | |
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GrayKing said: VoicesCarry said: Let's face it: The interludes are probably not going to go. That's ok, because I always burn a copy of her CD's (excluding RN) with the interludes deleted. If the music is good, I'll forgive her the indulgence of interludes.
I actually like All For You. It grew on me. There are some great tracks on there. The title track, Come On Get Up, Trust A Try, Feels So Right, Better Days, You Ain't Right, When We Oooo, Not so much Damita Jo, though. She needs to stop trying to recapture the lightning in a bottle that was Any Time, Any Place - no more shitty slow-jams with the thunderstorm sounds.
wtf? excuse me.... why have we been having the same argument about janet over and over for the last several months if basically you agree with me? Please link me to threads containing whatever epic arguments you're referencing - I haven't chatted with you in forever.  [Edited 3/9/05 4:56am] | |
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Her last album that I like is "Rhythm Nation". When everyone was anticipating the release of "Janet", hip hop was just starting to completely take over. Knowing that everyone follows and copies what is hot at the time, all we needed was for someone huge like Janet to come back strong and a lot of new artists might have followed her lead and hip hop might have been put back on the back burner. When I bought the album "Janet" and heard the hip hop vibe to it , I said "The bitch done sold out. Instead of trying to beat them, she goes and joins them". I haven't bought another one of her albums since. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Her last album that I like is "Rhythm Nation". When everyone was anticipating the release of "Janet", hip hop was just starting to completely take over. Knowing that everyone follows and copies what is hot at the time, all we needed was for someone huge like Janet to come back strong and a lot of new artists might have followed her lead and hip hop might have been put back on the back burner. When I bought the album "Janet" and heard the hip hop vibe to it , I said "The bitch done sold out. Instead of trying to beat them, she goes and joins them". I haven't bought another one of her albums since.
We know, we know - "watered-down, non-funky, midtempo shit." | |
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twink69 said: damn y'all are some over analytical mofo's, it's music you like or you don't, Janet's future sucess will be just like every other popstart out there, it will be based on how much promotion and spin her label give her in the media (quality of music is a bonus) and sine her husband is the head of the label, she could be lucky
and just because you guys have an opinion don't make it gospel, I think most of you have no idea, I for 1 (and most people i know) buy Janets records for those slow "baby making" (or whatever u guys call it) songs and god dammit there better be some thunderstorm on this new album!! it just wouldn't be right. Her dance tracks are a nice addition to her real music on the albums, but after a few months they are dated and never listen to them again (Gwen Stefani anyone??) Anytime Anyplace, Anything, 70's love groove, when we ooo, would you mind, warmth to name a few are janet trademarks and why so many people like me buy her albums, so I say Janet for you next album get a another face lift "pop" the viagra get out the toys, take out the other boob, and let us hear u cum again and again! Oh my Fuck!!!!! . [Edited 3/9/05 1:54am] Oh my Fuck!!!!! [Edited 3/9/05 7:16am] | |
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jayaredee said: twink69 said: damn y'all are some over analytical mofo's, it's music you like or you don't, Janet's future sucess will be just like every other popstart out there, it will be based on how much promotion and spin her label give her in the media (quality of music is a bonus) and sine her husband is the head of the label, she could be lucky
and just because you guys have an opinion don't make it gospel, I think most of you have no idea, I for 1 (and most people i know) buy Janets records for those slow "baby making" (or whatever u guys call it) songs and god dammit there better be some thunderstorm on this new album!! it just wouldn't be right. Her dance tracks are a nice addition to her real music on the albums, but after a few months they are dated and never listen to them again (Gwen Stefani anyone??) Anytime Anyplace, Anything, 70's love groove, when we ooo, would you mind, warmth to name a few are janet trademarks and why so many people like me buy her albums, so I say Janet for you next album get a another face lift "pop" the viagra get out the toys, take out the other boob, and let us hear u cum again and again! Oh my Fuck!!!!! . [Edited 3/9/05 1:54am] Oh my Fuck!!!!! [Edited 3/9/05 7:16am] Your Fuck? What about my Fuck?  | |
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VoicesCarry said: vainandy said: Her last album that I like is "Rhythm Nation". When everyone was anticipating the release of "Janet", hip hop was just starting to completely take over. Knowing that everyone follows and copies what is hot at the time, all we needed was for someone huge like Janet to come back strong and a lot of new artists might have followed her lead and hip hop might have been put back on the back burner. When I bought the album "Janet" and heard the hip hop vibe to it , I said "The bitch done sold out. Instead of trying to beat them, she goes and joins them". I haven't bought another one of her albums since.
We know, we know - "watered-down, non-funky, midtempo shit." You know me so well. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: You know me so well.
You've always hated the janet. album. Whenever someone brings up hip-hop, it's always the first thing you discuss, like it was the turning point for music, and We Can't Go Back. | |
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I love the Janet album so much, fuck off you haters 
I remember my aunt had that album when i was young and i used to look at the cover quite aroused. THen at night i would have dreams that i has holding Janet's tits to the music of Throb | |
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meesterfly said: Janet's really just in her "New Power Soul/Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" phase.
it will pass. let's pray to god that it will pass   Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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jayaredee said: I love the Janet album so much, fuck off you haters
I remember my aunt had that album when i was young and i used to look at the cover quite aroused. THen at night i would have dreams that i has holding Janet's tits to the music of Throb janet. was the first tape i bought with my own money. i was at school and my mom had the day off and i gave her my money and she went to Sam Goody and bought it for me. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: jayaredee said: I love the Janet album so much, fuck off you haters
I remember my aunt had that album when i was young and i used to look at the cover quite aroused. THen at night i would have dreams that i has holding Janet's tits to the music of Throb janet. was the first tape i bought with my own money. i was at school and my mom had the day off and i gave her my money and she went to Sam Goody and bought it for me. that's cute What made you want the tape, like which songs encourged you to buy it and was your mother shocked to see Janet topless????? | |
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