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PrintableTheRealFiness said: Using sped up truncated samples isnt creative..
Indeed. I like that euphemism though - "recontextualizing" songs. | |
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laurarichardson said: MendesCity said: Yes, you nailed it. Kanye's gift is in recontextualizing those songs to fit his song concept. None of the music on College Dropout is mind-blowingly original, I agree, but his lyrical themes (and general lack of fake thug posturing) are what's refreshing and creative. He comes across as funny, smart, and with the eye for everday detail that makes a memorable artist. In short, I hope to see even BETTER things from him in the future. I think he's got the stuff. ----- Oh my god !!!!, A new way to explain sampling (recontextualizing songs) it is called stealing some else music. Oh my god !!! You just quoted me! Is that stealing??!! [Edited 1/3/05 6:19am] | |
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Yup. Just samples. It takes 1/1,000,000th of the "talent" to recognize someone else's song as cool as it does to write a good one yourself. He's an overrated rapper too - "Like Kathy Lee needs Regis/that's how I need my Jesus?" Come on.  When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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Thunderbird said: Yup. Just samples. It takes 1/1,000,000th of the "talent" to recognize someone else's song as cool as it does to write a good one yourself. He's an overrated rapper too - "Like Kathy Lee needs Regis/that's how I need my Jesus?" Come on.
C'mon, is that really any worse than "Have you had your plus sign today?" The only better line would've been about "Ramona and Beezus"!  [Edited 1/3/05 9:07am] | |
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MendesCity said: Thunderbird said: Yup. Just samples. It takes 1/1,000,000th of the "talent" to recognize someone else's song as cool as it does to write a good one yourself. He's an overrated rapper too - "Like Kathy Lee needs Regis/that's how I need my Jesus?" Come on.
C'mon, is that really any worse than "Have you had your plus sign today?" The only better line would've been about "Ramona and Beezus"!
[Edited 1/3/05 9:07am] Actually, the worst part of that song is where he stole Adam Sandler's "pieces of shit for breakfast" line from Happy Gilmore. He just can't come up with anything original! When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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Kanye's alright.... but i don't get the big deal. sure, he's put together some hot tracks, but his stuff seems very flavor-of-the-month to me. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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RanMarJam said: I do believe his use of sampling can be very effective, such as the song "Jesus Walks." That song would not have been nearly as good were it not for the sampled gospel choir.
couldn't he have just gotten a live gospel choir for that shit instead? woulda served the same purpose. 
i've never understood why kanye's so over-hyped anyways...  | |
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Harlepolis said: UptownDeb said: Didn't he pitch a fit and some awards show because he didn't receive some award he thought he deserved? Self righteous mofo.
AMA *shaking my damn head* 
Carmen Electra was smilling at him like he gave her some,,shiiit, she should've knocked him in the jaw right on his operation spot   | |
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CalhounSq said: VoicesCarry said:  You don't really "get" message boards, do you?   | |
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MendesCity said: missfee said: I think Kanye has more originality than P. Diddy, although he does use samples, I just feel like P. Diddy just steals the songs rather than use some sort of creativity with the tracks like Kanye does.
Yes, you nailed it. Kanye's gift is in recontextualizing those songs to fit his song concept. None of the music on College Dropout is mind-blowingly original, I agree, but his lyrical themes (and general lack of fake thug posturing) are what's refreshing and creative. He comes across as funny, smart, and with the eye for everday detail that makes a memorable artist. In short, I hope to see even BETTER things from him in the future. I think he's got the stuff.  I can see Kaney doing good thangs for the future, unlike LIL JOHN's "crunk" productions, which will probably be stale by the end of this year. Lil John has nothing to back himself up other than making party jams.
Kanye's College Dropout was a breath of fresh air in hip hop, got damn I was surprised by that album. Finally some1 who can commercially talk about positive things, have GREAT beats and not be boring while speaking the truth or crossing over to being a "Neo Soul" Rap artist. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: MendesCity said: Yes, you nailed it. Kanye's gift is in recontextualizing those songs to fit his song concept. None of the music on College Dropout is mind-blowingly original, I agree, but his lyrical themes (and general lack of fake thug posturing) are what's refreshing and creative. He comes across as funny, smart, and with the eye for everday detail that makes a memorable artist. In short, I hope to see even BETTER things from him in the future. I think he's got the stuff. I can see Kaney doing good thangs for the future, unlike LIL JOHN's "crunk" productions, which will probably be stale by the end of this year. Lil John has nothing to back himself up other than making party jams.
Kanye's College Dropout was a breath of fresh air in hip hop, got damn I was surprised by that album. Finally some1 who can commercially talk about positive things, have GREAT beats and not be boring while speaking the truth or crossing over to being a "Neo Soul" Rap artist. my point exactly. sometimes all people like to do is complaint about this and that and not make any kind of suggestions or even try to solve the problem. I really don't see why people are complaining about kanye on this thread, i'd rather listen to him than Snoop Dogg who is all washed up. It seems all he can do is talk about pimping this and pimping that. That shyt is old. Big daddy kane and Ice-T has already conquered these subjects. Kanye talks about real things that i can relate to, and he is well deserving of his grammy nods. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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thecableguy said:
Man (PDIDDY) couldn't buy a hit now, by the way how did DaBands album do?? lol..I bought IT. Tsk Tsk, What a pity...sometimes Life can be so shitty.... | |
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paisleypark4 said: MendesCity said: Yes, you nailed it. Kanye's gift is in recontextualizing those songs to fit his song concept. None of the music on College Dropout is mind-blowingly original, I agree, but his lyrical themes (and general lack of fake thug posturing) are what's refreshing and creative. He comes across as funny, smart, and with the eye for everday detail that makes a memorable artist. In short, I hope to see even BETTER things from him in the future. I think he's got the stuff. I can see Kaney doing good thangs for the future, unlike LIL JOHN's "crunk" productions, which will probably be stale by the end of this year. Lil John has nothing to back himself up other than making party jams.
Kanye's College Dropout was a breath of fresh air in hip hop, got damn I was surprised by that album. Finally some1 who can commercially talk about positive things, have GREAT beats and not be boring while speaking the truth or crossing over to being a "Neo Soul" Rap artist. Ditto. I thoroughly enjoyed his CD... And I would nominate it for ALBUM of the Year, next to Amel Larrieux, Jill Scott, Usher (yes, URSHA), and_____ (u fill in the blank) Tsk Tsk, What a pity...sometimes Life can be so shitty.... | |
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MendesCity said: laurarichardson said: ----- Oh my god !!!!, A new way to explain sampling (recontextualizing songs) it is called stealing some else music. Oh my god !!! You just quoted me! Is that stealing??!! [Edited 1/3/05 6:19am] ----- No, I am trying to understand why you have to make up a new term for stealing. It is one think to be influenced by another artist it is another think to rip off whole songs. Mr. West is going to forgotten about in five years just like all the other so-called innovators in Rap music. A genre has to be in bad shape when people praise you because you don't call woman bitches. | |
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Contro said: thecableguy said:
Man (PDIDDY) couldn't buy a hit now, by the way how did DaBands album do?? lol..I bought IT. It went gold and then Diddy had to end the damn show so who knows where its at now | |
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laurarichardson said: MendesCity said: Oh my god !!! You just quoted me! Is that stealing??!! [Edited 1/3/05 6:19am] ----- No, I am trying to understand why you have to make up a new term for stealing. It is one think to be influenced by another artist it is another think to rip off whole songs. Mr. West is going to forgotten about in five years just like all the other so-called innovators in Rap music. A genre has to be in bad shape when people praise you because you don't call woman bitches. And I'm trying to explain it to you. I was actually being serious. When we have a dialogue on a message board, I am quoting you in my response, the same way you quoted me. It's a dialogue, it's how ideas get fleshed out, and new ideas spin off of it. Some of those ideas are good, some are bad, but none of them came out of a vacuum. Is the creation of art really any different, and does it really matter that much if it's a literal quotation or the much-touted "influence" (which sometimes can come across as a more dishonest approach). And of, course, there will always be people trying to create new things, which is also valuable. In fact, besides Chaka Khan and a few other tracks, the bulk of tracks on Kanye's album are built on either track I've never heard, or original tracks. Have you even heard it? I never claimed he was a groundbreaking producer, but I do think he's a good artist. | |
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MendesCity said: laurarichardson said: ----- No, I am trying to understand why you have to make up a new term for stealing. It is one think to be influenced by another artist it is another think to rip off whole songs. Mr. West is going to forgotten about in five years just like all the other so-called innovators in Rap music. A genre has to be in bad shape when people praise you because you don't call woman bitches. And I'm trying to explain it to you. I was actually being serious. When we have a dialogue on a message board, I am quoting you in my response, the same way you quoted me. It's a dialogue, it's how ideas get fleshed out, and new ideas spin off of it. Some of those ideas are good, some are bad, but none of them came out of a vacuum. Is the creation of art really any different, and does it really matter that much if it's a literal quotation or the much-touted "influence" (which sometimes can come across as a more dishonest approach). And of, course, there will always be people trying to create new things, which is also valuable. In fact, besides Chaka Khan and a few other tracks, the bulk of tracks on Kanye's album are built on either track I've never heard, or original tracks. Have you even heard it? I never claimed he was a groundbreaking producer, but I do think he's a good artist. ----- I know your being serious. That is what I find so scary. "Is the creation of art really any different, and does it really matter that much if it's a literal quotation or the much-touted "influence" (which sometimes can come across as a more dishonest approach)" It matters that much of Mr.West's work is a literal rip off. Instead of Mr. West finding some musicians and coming up with some new music. My arguments is if you are going to be an artist be an artist and create something new. I have heard a lot of the music Mr. West uses and you probaly would have heard it to if radio did't treat RnB music like shit. | |
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laurarichardson said: I know your being serious. That is what I find so scary. "Is the creation of art really any different, and does it really matter that much if it's a literal quotation or the much-touted "influence" (which sometimes can come across as a more dishonest approach)" It matters that much of Mr.West's work is a literal rip off. Instead of Mr. West finding some musicians and coming up with some new music. My arguments is if you are going to be an artist be an artist and create something new. I have heard a lot of the music Mr. West uses and you probaly would have heard it to if radio did't treat RnB music like shit. Scary? C'mon. This is pop music. Tsumanis and George Bush are scary. As for you note about radio neglecting lost soul classics, can you at least appreciate sample as being some sort of corrective to that? | |
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MendesCity said: laurarichardson said: I know your being serious. That is what I find so scary. "Is the creation of art really any different, and does it really matter that much if it's a literal quotation or the much-touted "influence" (which sometimes can come across as a more dishonest approach)" It matters that much of Mr.West's work is a literal rip off. Instead of Mr. West finding some musicians and coming up with some new music. My arguments is if you are going to be an artist be an artist and create something new. I have heard a lot of the music Mr. West uses and you probaly would have heard it to if radio did't treat RnB music like shit. Scary? C'mon. This is pop music. Tsumanis and George Bush are scary. As for you note about radio neglecting lost soul classics, can you at least appreciate sample as being some sort of corrective to that? ----- Don't worry I find GB and Tsumanis to be scarier then the lost of black music to ridculous sampling. I don't think hearing a second or two of lost classic makes up for the why black music is disrepected by radio, black people or the music industry. I just hope Mr. West pays the artist he is ripping off. | |
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laurarichardson said: MendesCity said: Scary? C'mon. This is pop music. Tsumanis and George Bush are scary. As for you note about radio neglecting lost soul classics, can you at least appreciate sample as being some sort of corrective to that? ----- Don't worry I find GB and Tsumanis to be scarier then the lost of black music to ridculous sampling. I don't think hearing a second or two of lost classic makes up for the why black music is disrepected by radio, black people or the music industry. I just hope Mr. West pays the artist he is ripping off. Oops, I wrote Tsumani. Freud lives! | |
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