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Thread started 08/29/04 2:02am

lovedad43

king of funk George Clinton or Rick James

A friend and I was trying to figure this out. Who's the king George or Rick, imo I have to say George both had some badass bass groove and some funky horns but parliment/funkadelic put that extra stank on the funk and had more fun with the music (sir nose devoid of funk...hilarious) So who is the king of funk. Please don't say Prince
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Reply #1 posted 08/29/04 2:51am

abierman

Clinton, by far! And he is a better drugs-user than James as well, he is still going strong!
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Reply #2 posted 08/29/04 3:03am

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of thouse two choices? Clinton, beyond the shadow of a doubt
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Reply #3 posted 08/29/04 3:27am

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George Clinton by far!!!
RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #4 posted 08/29/04 4:17am

Sly

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Clinton
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Reply #5 posted 08/29/04 5:11am

lovedad43

abierman said:

Clinton, by far! And he is a better drugs-user than James as well, he is still going strong!

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Reply #6 posted 08/29/04 5:24am

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CLINTON!
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Reply #7 posted 08/29/04 6:34am

rainman1985

I know nothing of Clinton, please educate me.
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Reply #8 posted 08/29/04 7:43am

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rainman1985 said:

I know nothing of Clinton, please educate me.

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Reply #9 posted 08/29/04 7:56am

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George Clinton!
Peace and Love!
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Reply #10 posted 08/29/04 7:58am

Hotlegs

lovedad43 said:

A friend and I was trying to figure this out. Who's the king George or Rick, imo I have to say George both had some badass bass groove and some funky horns but parliment/funkadelic put that extra stank on the funk and had more fun with the music (sir nose devoid of funk...hilarious) So who is the king of funk. Please don't say Prince


Alright folks, its time for my to help you put it all in perspective. Rick James is a funky ccounterpart to George. However, Rick made his mark as the King Of Punk Funk.
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Reply #11 posted 08/29/04 8:24am

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Reply #12 posted 08/29/04 8:32am

rialb

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Well, I'm much more a fan of Parliament-Funkadelic than I am a Rick James fan. But as the question was asked I have to say Rick James is miles ahead of George Clinton. People forget that George had A LOT of help. Where would George be without Bernie Worrell, Bootsy Collins, Eddie Hazel, Gary Shider and all of the other cats from P-Funk? I don't know much about Rick James but wasn't he able to do it all pretty much by himself? And I don't mean to knock George but didn't he screw a lot of people? I think folks should remember that there were a lot of cats involved in Parliament-Funkadelic.
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Reply #13 posted 08/29/04 8:59am

YticEnots

Without a shadow of a doubt Rick James was & will always be the King of Punk Funk, George Clinton is the Godfather of Funk! George Clinton & his various groups like Brides Of Funkenstein,Horny Horns,Funkadelic,Parlet,Parliament,P Funk & of course Boosty had a Funk style all of their own. But once Rick James came on the scene,he(Rick) took the funk game to a whole new level. Rick bought real life issues like police brutality,being too high to fuck or make love, & the destruction of the planet Earth by nuclear missles to the funk game! Plus just look at the success of everybody Rick James has wrote,produced & arranged for. Teena Marie is a legend in her own right(Rick wrote,arranged & produced for her,when no other producer at Motown knew what to do with her)Mary Janes Girls mopped the floor with Vanity 6,Apallonia 6, Brides Of Funkenstein & The Jones Girls! Rick James also wrote & produced songs for his backing band(The Stone City band)his horn section(Punky Funk Horns),Chaka Khan,Spinners,Process & The Doo Rags,Martha Reeves,Eddie Murphy,Rick James also helped produced the Dr. Martin Luther King Celebration song"Sing Sing Celebrate" Rick also gave the Temptations their top 10 song"Standing On The Top" Rick James also had a hand in Carl Carlton's mega RnB hit"She's A Bad Mama Jama". Before Rick James got in the game in 1978 as a solo artist, the music industry was about to crown Bootsy, the king of Funk! This is a classic case of the pupil(Rick James) outdoing the teacher(George Clinton). James Brown was the original funk/soul king, then Sly & The Family Stone picked up where JB left off, then came George Clinton, who re-invented funk with his protoge Bootsy. After that Rick came from left field out of nowhere like a blazing comet & just took Funk music to another demension. George clinton is a true innovater & Godfather of Funk, but Rick is King! Nobody has picked up where Rick left off
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Reply #14 posted 08/29/04 10:00am

lolarose

Uh...Clinton... hands down
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Reply #15 posted 08/29/04 11:08am

Supernova

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Neither one. I don't hold Clinton in higher esteem than the PFunk empire itself, as if they were expendable and George could have lead any band and got the same results.

As much as people want to seperate Clinton into his own category he ain't goin NOWHERE without the musicians that comprised PFunk.

But at least Clinton didn't have to die before a bunch of Funk fans made him king of anything.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #16 posted 08/29/04 11:40am

Hotlegs

Supernova said:

Neither one. I don't hold Clinton in higher esteem than the PFunk empire itself, as if they were expendable and George could have lead any band and got the same results.

As much as people want to seperate Clinton into his own category he ain't goin NOWHERE without the musicians that comprised PFunk.

But at least Clinton didn't have to die before a bunch of Funk fans made him king of anything.


Prior to Rick's dealth, he was always the Punk-funk King and the only way you would not be familar with this fact is if you are not a true funk fan. I am a Funkoligist. fro afro pick
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Reply #17 posted 08/29/04 11:51am

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Hotlegs said:

Supernova said:

Neither one. I don't hold Clinton in higher esteem than the PFunk empire itself, as if they were expendable and George could have lead any band and got the same results.

As much as people want to seperate Clinton into his own category he ain't goin NOWHERE without the musicians that comprised PFunk.

But at least Clinton didn't have to die before a bunch of Funk fans made him king of anything.


Prior to Rick's dealth, he was always the Punk-funk King and the only way you would not be familar with this fact is if you are not a true funk fan. I am a Funkoligist. fro afro pick
[This message was edited Sun Aug 29 11:40:39 2004 by Hotlegs]

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Reply #18 posted 08/29/04 11:54am

Shapeshifter

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lovedad43 said:

A friend and I was trying to figure this out. Who's the king George or Rick, imo I have to say George both had some badass bass groove and some funky horns but parliment/funkadelic put that extra stank on the funk and had more fun with the music (sir nose devoid of funk...hilarious) So who is the king of funk. Please don't say Prince



Rick James was a lightweight. George Clinton is a Master of the Universe.
There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently
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Reply #19 posted 08/29/04 12:00pm

Hotlegs

YticEnots said:

Without a shadow of a doubt Rick James was & will always be the King of Punk Funk, George Clinton is the Godfather of Funk! George Clinton & his various groups like Brides Of Funkenstein,Horny Horns,Funkadelic,Parlet,Parliament,P Funk & of course Boosty had a Funk style all of their own. But once Rick James came on the scene,he(Rick) took the funk game to a whole new level. Rick bought real life issues like police brutality,being too high to fuck or make love, & the destruction of the planet Earth by nuclear missles to the funk game! Plus just look at the success of everybody Rick James has wrote,produced & arranged for. Teena Marie is a legend in her own right(Rick wrote,arranged & produced for her,when no other producer at Motown knew what to do with her)Mary Janes Girls mopped the floor with Vanity 6,Apallonia 6, Brides Of Funkenstein & The Jones Girls! Rick James also wrote & produced songs for his backing band(The Stone City band)his horn section(Punky Funk Horns),Chaka Khan,Spinners,Process & The Doo Rags,Martha Reeves,Eddie Murphy,Rick James also helped produced the Dr. Martin Luther King Celebration song"Sing Sing Celebrate" Rick also gave the Temptations their top 10 song"Standing On The Top" Rick James also had a hand in Carl Carlton's mega RnB hit"She's A Bad Mama Jama". Before Rick James got in the game in 1978 as a solo artist, the music industry was about to crown Bootsy, the king of Funk! This is a classic case of the pupil(Rick James) outdoing the teacher(George Clinton). James Brown was the original funk/soul king, then Sly & The Family Stone picked up where JB left off, then came George Clinton, who re-invented funk with his protoge Bootsy. After that Rick came from left field out of nowhere like a blazing comet & just took Funk music to another demension. George clinton is a true innovater
& Godfather of Funk, but Rick is King! Nobody has picked up where Rick left off

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Reply #20 posted 08/29/04 12:02pm

Supernova

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Shapeshifter said:

lovedad43 said:

A friend and I was trying to figure this out. Who's the king George or Rick, imo I have to say George both had some badass bass groove and some funky horns but parliment/funkadelic put that extra stank on the funk and had more fun with the music (sir nose devoid of funk...hilarious) So who is the king of funk. Please don't say Prince



Rick James was a lightweight. George Clinton is a Master of the Universe.

Hush now. Rick was the hierarchy of the entire punk funk genre. hmm
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #21 posted 08/29/04 5:19pm

rockwilder

This question should never eb asked.Clinton invented funka s we know it today.JB had it rockin' before that,But Clinton took it to a whole 'nother level!!Clinton and cohorts are above reproach.No disrespect to Rick's contributions.
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Reply #22 posted 08/29/04 6:42pm

Thumparello

Please tell me this post is a joke?


Clinton innovator----Rick follower.
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Reply #23 posted 08/29/04 6:56pm

UptownDeb

Hotlegs said:


Prior to Rick's dealth, he was always the Punk-funk King


That's what I was thinking, so I guess that puts him in a category by himself. confused
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Reply #24 posted 08/29/04 7:05pm

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As we've seen, these types of "x vs y" discussions with no specific parameters to base the debate on, generally end up descending into nothing more than a cyber street-fight.

They've both made significant contributions to the musical vocabulary.
IMO, Rick remained earth-bound in his subject matter as opposed to George who created (with the assistance of a substantial army of talented soldiers) a "different world" for his funky forays.

James will always be King in my mind until somebody manages to eclipse his almost 50 year musical marathon.
~116 R&B hits
~96 top 100 hits
(on the strength of being James Brown alone with no industry marketing machine)

Unfortunately Rick James has been forced to drop out of the race.

tA

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Reply #25 posted 09/02/04 7:09pm

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theAudience said:

As we've seen, these types of "x vs y" discussions with no specific parameters to base the debate on, generally end up descending into nothing more than a cyber street-fight.

They've both made significant contributions to the musical vocabulary.
IMO, Rick remained earth-bound in his subject matter as opposed to George who created (with the assistance of a substantial army of talented soldiers) a "different world" for his funky forays.

James will always be King in my mind until somebody manages to eclipse his almost 50 year musical marathon.
~116 R&B hits
~96 top 100 hits
(on the strength of being James Brown alone with no industry marketing machine)

Unfortunately Rick James has been forced to drop out of the race.

tA

peace Tribal Disorder
]
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm


Damn straight, there is only one king of funk and that's James Brown. Sly, George and Rick all made great music, but James Brown's original style is still the best by far.
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Reply #26 posted 09/02/04 7:17pm

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I think James Brown was the first "king" and George Clinton improved it and became the next "king". Rick James then came along and improved it even more and dethroned George. The only one I can see since then that could match Rick James is Prince.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #27 posted 09/02/04 7:55pm

psykosoul

theAudience said:

As we've seen, these types of "x vs y" discussions with no specific parameters to base the debate on, generally end up descending into nothing more than a cyber street-fight.

They've both made significant contributions to the musical vocabulary.
IMO, Rick remained earth-bound in his subject matter as opposed to George who created (with the assistance of a substantial army of talented soldiers) a "different world" for his funky forays.

James will always be King in my mind until somebody manages to eclipse his almost 50 year musical marathon.
~116 R&B hits
~96 top 100 hits
(on the strength of being James Brown alone with no industry marketing machine)

Unfortunately Rick James has been forced to drop out of the race.

tA

peace Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm


worship
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Reply #28 posted 09/02/04 8:01pm

psykosoul

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Neither one. I don't hold Clinton in higher esteem than the PFunk empire itself, as if they were expendable and George could have lead any band and got the same results.

As much as people want to seperate Clinton into his own category he ain't goin NOWHERE without the musicians that comprised PFunk.

But at least Clinton didn't have to die before a bunch of Funk fans made him king of anything.


I really have to agree with you. As much as I love George, he was merely the spokesperson for powerful unit of musicians who didn't get the credit they fully deserved. I know George came up with about 75 to 80% of P-Funks melodies but without the musicians who brought those notes to fruition beyond the cartoonish "Daa, Daa, Daas" George might not've been shit.

For the record I love them both to pieces..., I prefer George and crew over Rick.
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Reply #29 posted 09/03/04 3:10am

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Well, James Brown is the real "king of Funk," but between the two choices, it's GC no doubt.

Rick James was a cool cat, extremely talented and had catchy singles. However, a lot of the nostalgia surrounding his death is just that - nostalgia. James' whole albums are spotty at best (The only album that is consistent from beginning to end is 82's "Throwin' Down"). Has anyone ever tried to listen to "Garden of Love" or "Fire it Up" from start to finish? It is a very painful experience. Even GC's solo releases are interesting throughout, not to mention the single releases of the entire P-Funk empire, from Funkadelic to the Brides of Funkenstein to the Sweat Band. And yes, he did have help from countless musicians, arrangers, etc., but GC is the glue that brought it all together.

In my opinion, James' best work was done for other folks like the Mary Jane Girls, Temptations and Teena Marie.

RIP Rick. Long live GC. Hail king James Brown!
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