jamaulredmond said:

"Gonna have a funky good time."

jamaulredmond said:

Including Sly! Sly once said he never heard a James Brown record. Sly has JB all in the mix.

I don't know your age and I mean no disrespect to you in any way and respect your opinion. But I do think that age is a factor in being truly able to appreciate an artist or genre from a particular decade.

I enjoy George Clinton's music but I love most all of Rick James' albums from start to finish. I think the main reason is because I was a teenager in the 1980s and grew up listening to Rick's music. I was living and partying to Rick James' music back when it was in style and dominating the airwaves. Most people would agree that George Clinton's best work was his 1970s work. I listen to the old records but I was too young to be really living and partying to it when it was popular. There's nothing like experiencing these songs while they are the height of their popularity, go to the skating rink (like I said, I was a teenager) and everybody was really throwingdown off these jams back then. There's no better experience than actually living while these songs were at the height of their popularity.

As for your mother being over 50 and not being into Rick James. My mother is also over 50 and the only song she likes by Rick James is "Super Freak". My mother really loves The Supremes. I can really listen to her Supremes records and enjoy them but I will never love them as much as she does because she lived through them.

vainandy said:

Supernova said:

Who did he influence? Nobody*. Who has Clinton influenced? Where do you want to start ...? Not to be too down on Rick - I like a few of his songs, but you can't compare an innovative genius like George Clinton to Rick James. That's like trying to compare Kenny G to John Coltrane.


(*Hammer = Nobody)
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Punk funk is a genre?

Rick's stuff is cool. When he did funk he had some of the best stuff around. Despite an supersized ego, Rick would be the first to admit that without George Clinton and PFunk, he'd be without a major inspirational source.

It's always funny when the Maggots would come down to a Rick James show. Most of us dug Rick. Shit! We'd be the loudest muggs at his concerts when he'd chant "We Want The Funk!" or "Shit! Goddamn!..."

Rick was cool cuz he kept it real to the end. I'll give him "King of Punk Funk" in a minute. Who cares? I never could figure out what that was anyways.

BTW Rick was almost as dependent on Stone City Band as Clinton was on the Funkadelic band. Rick was self-taught on keys, drums, bass and guitar, but he couldn't write arrangements or even jam on tunes beyond the basic riff he had composed. There are a lot of concert moments of Rick grasping a bass by the neck while Stone City Band carried the jam forth. Often he'd eschew an axe for the mike.

Like Clinton, James was a charasmatic bandleader who'd call out chords and such. Stone City Band, led by saxist and arranger Daniel Le Melle, was Rick's saving grace. James could play bass and guitar and had a better voice than Clinton. Also, both had a keen ear for talent and knew how to develop other artists into lucrative side projects. Probably one of the most important things Rick picked up from Clinton.

Shapeshifter said:

That's fucking drastic! Kenny G! Don't be such a damn fool!

Rick had a direct hand in the careers and the success of STONE CITY BAND, MARY JANE GIRLS, VAL YOUNG and a little known outfit called PROCESS & the DOO-RAGS (spun off later as FORCE MDS; I believe Stacy Lattimore was in Doo-Rags too). OK these may not be very well-known, but how about TEEN MARIE? You know how they got some history, right!

Can't touch that, eh?

I'm also inclined to think that Rick was a role model for Roger Troutman, who absconded with the ZAPP trax Clinton was taking over to Columbia to set up UNCLE JAM RECORDS. When Roger realized he didn't want to be a part of Clinton's PFUNK Empire, this made the UNCLE JAM deal fall apart.

Oooooh, thank you!

You act like I really care if you talk to me or not. Please. Just shut up while you only look like a moderate jackass. And if there's an ignore option here, someone please let me know, okay? No, really!



Topic:



You believe that, don't you? I guess that's why no one listens to classical anymore. I guess that's why young heads don't feel the music of the 60s and 70s anymore, even today. It's because we're not OLD enough. Gee, I thought it was because we weren't feeling it. Gotcha. Hey, I'm white too - is that a factor? Stay with me...did it ever occur to you that I wasn't feeling Rick James because his albums sucked rocks? SHAWK!!!!!11111

For the record, you could've looked at my profile to find my age...y'know, if you WANTED to.



Well yeah, but I think a GODFATHER beats a KING any day! Hell, I can argue that James was the FOUNDER of funk music, but then I'll get pissed on for being white, non-American and under 30. *eyeroll*
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NadiaAdare said:

Until you become more mature , you need to find a and stop wasting peoples time w/imature bullshit. Get a life.
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Awww, is widdle Hotwegs mad because I don't care if she plays with me or not? Get a life, indeed.

"Wah-wah, I shot you down
Wah-wah, you hit the ground
Wah-wah, that awful sound
Wah-wah, the newbie shot you down..."
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Shapeshifter said:

Dude, did you see my first post in the thread? There is no so-called "punk funk" genre, the sarcasm woooshed over ya. But I sure as hell don't consider Clinton a genius. He's the figurehead, a conduit, one of the songwriters, ONE OF the idea illustrators, blah, blah, yadda. But I will ALWAYS maintain that without the PFunk empire as a whole that work would not be equally as effective with just any proficient funk band. Maybe one could consider him as some do Lennon with the Beatles: Lennon was often thought of as the man who made the Beatles what they were (not by everybody, but a lot of people), but the whole was greater than its solitary parts, and all that...

Supernova said:

Supernova said:

I'll agree somewhat, but he's much more than a mere figurehead or conduit. Looking at how George's mere presence in the studio, or on the bandstand, affects the dynamics kinda tips the scales in George's favor. Funkadelic at times might be a backup band without George. He's the leader, top-dawg, main mutha-funka. Try booking just the band or a spinoff. They wil always ask if George Clinton will be there.

For the record, I find much of Lennon and nearly all of McCartney's post break up material horrible misdirected and barely tolerable pop.

As a fan of all things McCartney and Wings...

*runs away crying*

I mean, it's TRUE, but still! That hurt!

Not to get in the middle of somebody else's argument, but I don't think you have to be a certain age to appreciate or understand somebody's music. Sure, in some cases it probably helps, but I don't think it's a rule. Prince was producing first-class funk in his early 20's. Could you tell him that he was too young to understand it? There can be many reasons why somebody's opinion wouldn't necessarily be worth a hill of beans, but people relate to music regardless of (and sometimes in spite of) age. Just my

Now back to the Clinton vs Rick James debate - I don't know that I'd label either the king, but I'm partial to Rick James. I relate Clinton the same way I do Bjork (and I'm comparing their musical styles): his music is/was sometimes too far out for me and I don't always like it, but I recognize the impact it had on its genre and music as a whole.

The impact of both James and Clinton has been far-reaching, and I don't think there's any real way to label either one "the best." Yeah, it's fun to debate it, but I think they're both great for different reasons. I can't recall which member said it (without losing my train of thought) but I agree: Clinton was part of a whole that was producing great music. Yes, he was a major reason for that sound, but many, many, many, many, many, many people - a whole nation of performers it seems - were responsible for it.

The truth is, though I love them both a great deal, neither are my favorite of the genre. I think Bootsy's solo stuff was a lot funkier, and sometimes I find Zapp's music to just be a lot more fun.

Supernova said:

I wonder who might be part of that bunch?



tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

PFunkjazz said:

Yeah, I know, I didn't leave it at that. And actually when I said that I wasn't comparing him to Rick James. It was a general comment.
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Actually they are all kings of funk. Just like Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Elvis Presley are Kings of Rock and Roll.

Regardless of who influenced who, they all made contributions. Prince is a funk king also.

George made the funk genre as a main point of focus and he's been the center of that for a long time. Enjoy them all!

I do think George is a genius. I've followed his music/career as well as others. He's really a brilliant dude. A bit strange but all brilliant mugs are. Now if he'll just release some damn music...

NadiaAdare said:

Nadia, meet theAudience, theAudience, Nadia.

You know, you have a really stupid way of replying to a comment that anyone makes that you don't agree with. You have your right to disagree with us, just the same as we have the right to disagree with you.

First you go off on Hot Leggs for simply making a statement. It's fine to disagree with her, but you go slap off. Then you go off on David Eye and practically tell him he is stupid for not choosing sides. Now you want to go off on me for stating my opinion in a "nice" way. Well, I did it "nice" the first time but stand back baby cause you asked for it:

First of all, I never bothered to check your profile because I could tell by your ignorance that you must be young. I didn't need to check it. When you told me to check it, I did. And guess what.....I was very surprised! I never dreamed you were 26 because from posts like "Wah, Wah", I thought you were about 6.

And I am very sorry for disputing your wisdom and experience when I simply stated that no one could truly appreciate the music as much as someone that lived through those songs at the height of their popularity. I never realized you were at the ripe old age of 26. Well, I am 36, so that would make me around 14 or 15 when Rick James was at the height of his success. That would also make you around 4 or 5. I should have known better than dispute someone that was in diapers during that time because they would truly know more. Please forgive me. Tell me something, how did you come to your conclusion of which artist you prefer more? Did you go by which one you have heard sampled more?

As for all of Rick's albums sucking, how the hell would you know? You said yourself that all you have is the greatest hits. What made you buy it in the first place, when you heard "Can't Touch This"?

As for you being white.....so am I.....SURPRISE! I was into funk and R&B LONG before the hip hop generation made it "acceptable" for me to be into it. So you're non-American and people are supposed to give you lip? Try being white, hanging with the blacks in the early 80s, and being from the South! You need to prove that you are worthy of respect and from what I've seen, you are not worthy.

I love George Clinton and Rick James....I just happen to like Rick James better. Now like Hot Leggs said, you can disagree in a civil matter or we can get ugly up in here.

Now go outside and play little girl because grown folks are trying to have a serious discussion in here.

Why don't you go and join your buddy HotLegs on the WAHmbulance? Don't be mad at me because you said something stupid and you were disputed. In the future, just don't say stupid things.

I'd read the rest of your post, but...it's full of condescending half-asses lies, so I won't bother.

Oh, and your "you asked for it"? Ooooh, so SCARED. Oooh, you really socked it to me! OOOOOH, I'M SO UPSET! What's next...you gonna cyberjump me? Oooh, it's gonna get ugly! OOOOH, I'M SO SCARED OF YOU!!!!! PLEASE SPARE ME! PLEASE DON'T HURT ME AND MAKE ME CRY AND MAKE WATER IN MY PANTS!

*falls out laughing hysterically*

But I sound childish. Gotcha. Just another day at Prince.Org Junior High School, where the cliques click and the outcasts...well, we just ignore you.
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Thank you for just proving my point. This is supposed to be a post from someone that is 26. If you are really 26 and making childish posts like this, then you must be making them from a computer in a mental institution.

I'm through wasting my time with you.

vainandy said:


X_____

Sign right there and say "I promise".

Anything less than that is going to prove you're a liar - and boy oh boy, will I have fun with that, just like I have fun with all stuck-up pseudo-intellectuals who parade around their importance on a message board.

Supernova said:

*sigh* Sorry, got carried away. Dropping it now.
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vainandy said:[quote]



What's wrong with that ?

Thumparello said:

Thanx 4 givin up that knowledge playa.....Clinton wins this hands down! Prince kicked Rick's ass heads up in concert!

PFunkjazz said:[quote]

Shapeshifter said:

That's fucking drastic! Kenny G! Don't be such a damn fool!

It was a joke. A bit like Rick ("where did my whole fucken career go") after Prince came along, showed him how it was really done with Dirty Mind and completely rewrote the rule book.


Rick had a direct hand in the careers and the success of STONE CITY BAND, MARY JANE GIRLS, VAL YOUNG and a little known outfit called PROCESS & the DOO-RAGS (spun off later as FORCE MDS;


Like I said, "Nobody".
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Shapeshifter said:[quote]

PFunkjazz said:

You conveinently clipped off my reference to Teena Marie to make it seem like you made your point. Seems pretty clear you're a mindless Prince fam with no interest in any actual facts. My conversation on this topic is done.