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Would the new album have sold without the giveaways? i am of the mind that it would not have been that successful without the concerts giveaways. well i guess with the current high profile he has right now, maybe it would have done better than RAve and NPS, but i doubt if it would have still been in the top 10 this long. | |
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Well it got 2 3rd in the UK charts, so i think it would of in the US! Keenmeister |
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Although the concert give aways did account for a significant percentage of 'sales' on the charts...retail still acount for most of the sales. And i think that if you factor in some peeps may not have bought the album retail since they had purhased a ticket and knew they were getting it anyway...and then there are those who would have bought it after being inspired by the concerts....i think the overall sales would have been less but still formidable. Maybe only a 20%-30% drop off from the over all volume 'sold'.
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Milty said: i am of the mind that it would not have been that successful without the concerts giveaways. well i guess with the current high profile he has right now, maybe it would have done better than RAve and NPS, but i doubt if it would have still been in the top 10 this long.
well, how do i put this succinctly? all of my immediate family lives in wisconsin. both siblings and both of my parents love dave matthews and the grateful dead (before jerry died) and phish. they live in a very crazy, sheltered world -- intentionally. yet they all went to the concert in milwaukee last week, and somehow they all heard the new album BEFORE getting it for FREE at the concert, and they all though it was the bomb! so, if somehow this new album can reach the far, far reaches of the middle of wisconsin -- without me, the "fancy" new york city boy who might tell them about it -- i think musicology would do just fine without the lil' giveaway prince is doing. | |
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andykeen said: [color=indigo:b8475365c8]Well it got 2 3rd in the UK charts, so i think it would of in the US![/color]
Same here in Holland... Last album to make the top 10 here was TGE, I think (not counting the very best of) | |
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QuakeXLE said: Although the concert give aways did account for a significant percentage of 'sales' on the charts...retail still acount for most of the sales. And i think that if you factor in some peeps may not have bought the album retail since they had purhased a ticket and knew they were getting it anyway...and then there are those who would have bought it after being inspired by the concerts....i think the overall sales would have been less but still formidable. Maybe only a 20%-30% drop off from the over all volume 'sold'.
IMO Naw, it wouldn't have sold as much. Everybody's free to feel good...so, be glad that you are free. | |
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andykeen said: [color=indigo:b8475365c8]Well it got 2 3rd in the UK charts, so i think it would of in the US![/color]
Yes it did get to number 3 in the charts but has since plummetted spectacularly. The only chance of sales picking up are if he tours the UK. if you've gotta pay for things that you've done wrong I've gotta big bill coming at the end of the day- Gil Scott Heron
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soulyacolia said: andykeen said: [color=indigo:b8475365c8]Well it got 2 3rd in the UK charts, so i think it would of in the US![/color]
Yes it did get to number 3 in the charts but has since plummetted spectacularly. The only chance of sales picking up are if he tours the UK. which it will climb up there once Prince lands in the UK and performs. | |
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I think that with the promotion that Columbia has given to this album, it would have sold better than some of his other more recent albums. People this time around knew he had a new album out. However, without the concert sales, I don't think it would have done NEAR as well. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Prince is "back" and is good but he sure as hell is not at his best! Andy is a four letter word. | |
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When we first heard about the concert free giveaway, we all thought, that's crazy, it's gonna HURT sales because all the fans will most likely attend the concert and won't need to buy the album.
NOW we're saying, the free giveaways HELP sell the album?! Huh? Usually, the whole point of a concert is to promote a new album so people will be tempted to go out and buy it afterwards - but Prince completely sabotaged that! And yet the retail sales have still been pretty good! So yes, the album would have sold (retail) even more without the giveaways - but not without all the general promotion. That's the real key. | |
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metalorange said: When we first heard about the concert free giveaway, we all thought, that's crazy, it's gonna HURT sales because all the fans will most likely attend the concert and won't need to buy the album.
NOW we're saying, the free giveaways HELP sell the album?! Huh? Usually, the whole point of a concert is to promote a new album so people will be tempted to go out and buy it afterwards - but Prince completely sabotaged that! And yet the retail sales have still been pretty good! So yes, the album would have sold (retail) even more without the giveaways - but not without all the general promotion. That's the real key. as always your right on metalorange think of it this way Prince has SOLD more than 500,000 copies of an album that people could have gotten for free! now THATS a major achievement (and this is not counting the online sales on npgmc which arent counted) Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3 | |
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Milty said: i am of the mind that it would not have been that successful without the concerts giveaways. well i guess with the current high profile he has right now, maybe it would have done better than RAve and NPS, but i doubt if it would have still been in the top 10 this long.
Yeah that is true, but the cd that was sold out as a giveaway was just a promotion copy and I knew the fans would've wanted the special packaging, which is a fold-out and the booklet. So yeah..... Check me out and add me on:
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I'm shocked it just went gold.... I heard that on www.rockonthenet.com. [This message was edited Sat Jul 3 20:00:58 2004 by silverchild] Check me out and add me on:
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Yeah, definately, had it been marketed to it's target crowd. In my opinion, that was the original crowd/fan market...me, for one. I think we hardcore fans were very disappointed with rainbow children, on the whole, and looking for something else. Never to let our "Prince" go, to fall into the path of other long time performers playing the lounge singer circuit. I know he put out N.E.W.S., but my computer wasn't working at the time, so couldn't share. I think he rethought his fan based marketing via internet, plus and minuses for artist and consumer, and came back to the original. All things circle, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it. This time, though, he (master marketeer that he is), put a twist on it, encouraging a new market...the children. For what it's worth, again, a brilliant marketing move. I've seen alot of posts here from newbie fans who probably wouldn't have ever considerd "joining" our ranks had they not heard the freebie given at the concert, yet the Prince funk IS BACK, people! Now, it's up to US to make sure it's on the airplay, as we all want it to be. | |
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think of it this way Prince has SOLD more than 500,000 copies of an album that people could have gotten for free! now THATS a major achievement (and this is not counting the online sales on npgmc which arent counted)[/quote] It's really hard to say cause the retail and giveaways are related in so many ways. The giveaways allow for highert chart positions which in turn gets you better product placement in stores, more radio play, and more overall hype and press. To me, it's impossible to tell if retail sales would be more or less without the giveaways, it really could have gone either way. For all the points i listed, they could be less, but then there are always people like me who would have bought it had i not gotten free show CD's | |
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I think people are SO stupid these days that they may not have taken a chance on it. It would have done better than his recent releases but not sold as much. 'Twas very smart to put the product into the hands of consumers. Not only do they go buy it for others but they can put extras in the hands of folks that would never bother to show up to a show or buy it & turn those fuckers out too...    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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The giveaways have probably helped spark sales as it retains a place on the store shelves reserved for the top ten and I think people who don't know about the giveaways are a little interested in what Prince is doing that is making so many people buy it.
That said it's a shame he didn't do this with a better record because I don't think the casual fans will take a chance again. The record isn't bad really it's just not good. | |
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Mazerati said: metalorange said: When we first heard about the concert free giveaway, we all thought, that's crazy, it's gonna HURT sales because all the fans will most likely attend the concert and won't need to buy the album.
NOW we're saying, the free giveaways HELP sell the album?! Huh? Usually, the whole point of a concert is to promote a new album so people will be tempted to go out and buy it afterwards - but Prince completely sabotaged that! And yet the retail sales have still been pretty good! So yes, the album would have sold (retail) even more without the giveaways - but not without all the general promotion. That's the real key. as always your right on metalorange think of it this way Prince has SOLD more than 500,000 copies of an album that people could have gotten for free! now THATS a major achievement (and this is not counting the online sales on npgmc which arent counted) U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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I think the Musicology album's succes is mostly attributable to Prince being hot at the time of its release. 
Mainstream consumers hadn't really heard of Prince for quite a few years - unlike us orgers - so for them, he reappeared out of left field and made quite a splash at the Grammys and Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame and what have we. 
The following surge in sales of The Very Best Of Prince indicates that interest in him was rekindled to the point that he could've released a fart on a record and people would still have loved it because it was Prince's fart - and with Musicology, he did. 
I find it ironic that Prince is now the darling of the self-same critics that called all of his albums throughout the nineties "another half-hearted effort from Prince" or plain "Prince Light" because Musicology isn't that much different from those albums.
It's the timing. The eighties are hot. Prince is hot. His "genius" is recognized. And good so.
For me, the downside is that with his current success, he might feel that there is no reason for him to deal with Warners in regards to a re-issue/re-mastering of Purple Rain for its 20th anniversary. He's doing fine with his new stuff, so why look back. Certainly the DVD is happening without Prince's involvement. 
And I was so hoping for a remastered Purple Rain with additional tracks... Oh, well.  [This message was edited Sun Jul 4 1:02:43 2004 by scififilmnerd]   FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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scififilmnerd said: I think the Musicology album's succes is mostly attributable to Prince being hot at the time of its release.
Mainstream consumers hadn't really heard of Prince for quite a few years - unlike us orgers - so for them, he reappeared out of left field and made quite a splash at the Grammys and Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame and what have we.
The following surge in sales of The Very Best Of Prince indicates that interest in him was rekindled to the point that he could've released a fart on a record and people would still have loved it because it was Prince's fart - and with Musicology, he did.
I find it ironic that Prince is now the darling of the self-same critics that called all of his albums throughout the nineties "another half-hearted effort from Prince" or plain "Prince Light" because Musicology isn't that much different from those albums.
It's the timing. The eighties are hot. Prince is hot. His "genius" is recognized. And good so.
For me, the downside is that with his current success, he might feel that there is no reason for him to deal with Warners in regards to a re-issue/re-mastering of Purple Rain for its 20th anniversary. He's doing fine with his new stuff, so why look back. Certainly the DVD is happening without Prince's involvement.
And I was so hoping for a remastered Purple Rain with additional tracks... Oh, well.
[This message was edited Sun Jul 4 1:02:43 2004 by scififilmnerd] I think Prince could become 'hot' in the UK next year - I wouldn't be surprised if he got some lifetime achievement award at the Brits, followed by tv appearances and the tour, and who knows, maybe even an appearance at a festival? I do think Prince should have done a double-cd, with Musicology and some re-mastered hits. Then people buying into Prince again would have got the best of both worlds. Look how well Warner's 'Best of' did as a result - Prince has theatened to release a remastered version of his hits before, this would have been the ideal time. | |
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