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Reply #30 posted 06/25/04 2:17pm

asg

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Another innovative thing he can do is record all the hits in a live manner and sell them as an option to existing concerts thats way he can make alot of money!!

The doesn have to pay Warner bro. and keeps all the money!!
charge maybe 10$ and sell them bare without Cd cover.
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Reply #31 posted 06/25/04 2:40pm

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Moonwalkbjrain said:

they're just mad cuz they aint think of it first.


And besides people wanting to see Prince sang his oldies, he's beating radio by distributing his own music to consumers and getting free airplay (word of mouth).

Rainbow Children stand and watch...this isn't no ordinary brother, he's brilliant.

The system of things is about to change, as Prince once stated in song: "I don't follow trends they follow me just like the Israelites thru the red sea"

March on brother!

the new slogan is:

May U live to see a Billion.

Peace!
love you baby but not like my guitar
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Reply #32 posted 06/25/04 5:09pm

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psykosoul said:

Supernova said:

Let 'em complain.

The music industry has for DECADES had corrupt practices at the expense of recording artists, and that includes the perceived oh-so-noble billboard charts according to Soundscan. Everybody who knows that, and has a beef with Prince's over the table tactics can't absolve themselves of being silently hypocritical about that.



clapping I wish I could have your babies sigh

lol
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #33 posted 06/25/04 8:02pm

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Using the word "cheating" in reference to Prince handing out CD's at his concerts, is kind of harsh. The music industry took a young, impressionable man, waved stardom in his face which he of course jumped at, and decided that if he didn't play by their rules, they were going to do their best to "make him". He spent many years of his life being ridiculed for changing his name to a symbol and sitting back and patiently waiting for this moment in time to make his move. He's turned the tables on them and they're trying very hard to once again make it seem like he didn't EARN this. Well, IMO, you go Prince and keep it going for as long as you can. He has more than earned the respect and love he receives from every fan and we should appreciate the wonderful gift we have received. If I received 10 CD's from attending multiple concerts, it would never be too many and I'd willingly pay full price for the ticket every time in order to be able to see him finally getting one up on them. It was clever, it was brilliant and I love it!
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Reply #34 posted 06/25/04 8:17pm

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How much is usher makin personally per CD 1.35 not only usher but most of the ppl r making that much!!

How much money he makes per ticket maybe around 60%

Maybe ppl r attendin the concert becasue they know they gettin a free CD!!

He is having a better year then anyone else.

I think the tour will continue if he can sell more tickets!!
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Reply #35 posted 06/26/04 4:45pm

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lovemachine said:

NUMBERTWOFANATIC said:

I don't get it. Billboard decided to count the CDs. People act like Prince begged for these CDs to be counted.



He did sent his lawyers in demanding they be counted.

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He could have sent letters until the end of time. It does not mean they had to count them.
I like to see you address the issue of the industry cheating with Payola and double scanning.
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Reply #36 posted 06/26/04 5:44pm

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I don't think that Prince "cheated" per se. I do however think his billboard sales shouldn't count. After all, people are not buying these tickets for the CDs. They're MOSTLY buying them to hear his old hits. This could be the worst CD ever released! It could be a CD of pure silence, and it would still be on the billboard charts, which indicates to me that the sales are not motivated by an interest in the CD, but by an interest in his live show.

that's all.
Thats total BS! P has sold over 500,000 copies at retail!
U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY!
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Reply #37 posted 06/26/04 5:47pm

ELBOOGY

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AsianBomb777 said:




Agreed, Billboard is supposed to be tracking units that are intentionally bought. Buying the concert tickets and getting a free CD does not necessarily mean that their was a specific interest in attaining the CD.

That is why "The Cure" is making theirs an optional purchase. THe purchase of the CD would then show that their was a specific intention to buy the CD.

I personally think if Prince made his CD optional with the purchase that he would still seel a hellova lot of them.



Billboard DOES NOT track units that "intenetionally bought". Ever see how Soundscan numbers are compiled. They are figured by "scan sales" (actual bought or scanned by a reg), & corporate music buyers bulk buy (thats how you see that tag line about a record: sold 3 million its first week). 3 million people didn't buy the record, a bunch of music buyers ordered/bought 3 million pieces.
That number s figured into some mathematic equataion none of will know about & voila-a number of "sales". Billboard also includes Soundscan numbers. I own a small label and also work for a music vendor so I know all about this. Prince isn't doing anything dishonest, because if anything he's being more honest-at least these millions of people actually have these CD's. Its not sitting in some warehouse somewhere.

Clive Davis "loaned" Tower Records a few million dollars to "buy" Alicia keys first record. Why would he do that? What better promotion is there then being on the top of the charts. Get it. He was eventually fined by the RIAA. So these numbers are about promotion not sales. Prince did a brilliant thing (as far as music industry business savvy goes) he kept his new music in attention while playing a hits tour. So he opened it up for his new stuff to have maximum exposure and kept him in full industry attention by keeping the numbers up. He found a loophole...they can't deny there own crooked system.


Nero
I've been saying the same thing but u have expressed it with facts better than any1 else that i've read. These critics need 2 tell it the same way but they'er getting pimped 2!
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Reply #38 posted 06/26/04 10:53pm

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ELBOOGY said:

neronava said:




Billboard DOES NOT track units that "intenetionally bought". Ever see how Soundscan numbers are compiled. They are figured by "scan sales" (actual bought or scanned by a reg), & corporate music buyers bulk buy (thats how you see that tag line about a record: sold 3 million its first week). 3 million people didn't buy the record, a bunch of music buyers ordered/bought 3 million pieces.
That number s figured into some mathematic equataion none of will know about & voila-a number of "sales". Billboard also includes Soundscan numbers. I own a small label and also work for a music vendor so I know all about this. Prince isn't doing anything dishonest, because if anything he's being more honest-at least these millions of people actually have these CD's. Its not sitting in some warehouse somewhere.

Clive Davis "loaned" Tower Records a few million dollars to "buy" Alicia keys first record. Why would he do that? What better promotion is there then being on the top of the charts. Get it. He was eventually fined by the RIAA. So these numbers are about promotion not sales. Prince did a brilliant thing (as far as music industry business savvy goes) he kept his new music in attention while playing a hits tour. So he opened it up for his new stuff to have maximum exposure and kept him in full industry attention by keeping the numbers up. He found a loophole...they can't deny there own crooked system.


Nero
I've been saying the same thing but u have expressed it with facts better than any1 else that i've read. These critics need 2 tell it the same way but they'er getting pimped 2!



Thanks.

I deal with the people who make these numbers everyday...shady stuff.
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Reply #39 posted 06/26/04 10:56pm

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lovemachine said:

OdysseyMiles said:



Excellent points.


But so is the fact that he could be handing out cd's of silence or even worse "1999 - The New Master" and it would be in the top 10.



I see your point your trying to make (although the analogy is a bit much). But read again...maybe you'll catch the gist of it. Lets not knock Prince for using the system against its self. Come on, man....fierce move.
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Reply #40 posted 06/26/04 10:56pm

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OdysseyMiles said:

neronava said:




Billboard DOES NOT track units that are "intentionally bought". Ever see how Soundscan numbers are compiled. They are figured by "scan sales" (actual bought or scanned by a reg), & corporate music buyers bulk buy (thats how you see that tag line about a record: sold 3 million its first week). 3 million people didn't buy the record, a bunch of music buyers ordered/bought 3 million pieces.
That number s figured into some mathematic equataion none of will know about & voila-a number of "sales". Billboard also includes Soundscan numbers. I own a small label and also work for a music vendor so I know all about this. Prince isn't doing anything dishonest, because if anything he's being more honest-at least these millions of people actually have these CD's. Its not sitting in some warehouse somewhere.

Clive Davis "loaned" Tower Records a few million dollars to "buy" Alicia keys first record. Why would he do that? What better promotion is there then being on the top of the charts. Get it. He was eventually fined by the RIAA. So these numbers are about promotion not sales. Prince did a brilliant thing (as far as music industry business savvy goes) he kept his new music in attention while playing a hits tour. So he opened it up for his new stuff to have maximum exposure and kept him in full industry attention by keeping the numbers up. He found a loophole...they can't deny there own crooked system.



Nero


Excellent points.


Thanks Odd-Miles
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