I wonder if Larry and his brigade know the origins of the tomb that they let dictate their every move?

I believe in God, but I'm not so egotistical to think that my opinion of what God is, is The Truth for everyone on Earth.

I do not believe we are all sinners, talk about a slave mentality.

Larry's a cunt, end of story - bye 70's, bye

blackboab said:

So this is, like, 3 years later and it still bothers you?

GrayKing said:

As much as I'm not thrilled with the whole Prince/Larry connection, It saddens me when people disrespect the talent and the dues that great musicians like Larry Graham and Maceo Parker paid. These guys were true road warriors and great musicians. Larry invented the slap/thump bass method that EVERY BASS PLAYER uses today. This is why Prince loves these guys. He respects them. His zeal in promoting these guys sometimes backfires or goes into overkill, but I get why Prince does it. But just think some kid is saying "Who the F*ck is Prince...he's not as great as Pharell or P. Diddy.

steelyd said:

as for me, i say "great, respect the elders and music and artistic revolutionaries of the 60's & 70's. pay tribute to them. namedrop them. hell, even produce an album for them. just don't water down your own work in the 2000's with their tired sounds."

GrayKing said:

Well, I believe that Larry is a good musician. His influence on Prince is Prince's responsibility, not ours, so what ever it brought Prince to is his own, not ours to judge.

Secondly, homosexuality has been here and will be here (even my grandmother believed that), however, if you carefully study the bible and the language it was written in before it was translated into English, you would come to appreciate that the words (to denote homosexuality) used in the book of Leviticus and Romans, were not to be translated as homosexual, but temple prostitutes that used homosexuality to worship false gods.

I mean, even the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was truly about hospitality, not homosexuality. I mean, how else could Lot offer his daughters to men. I mean, if they were truly homosexual, you think Lot would've even considered offering his daughters. That's like feeding a shark a piece of tuna. I mean, if he didn't think it would work, he would've never offerred them to the men. So, how could they truly be homosexuals. They were punished because they wanted to insult the men (angels) by degrading them sexually. There's another account in Kings (forgot which one) that involved the prophet Elijah. Read it.

With all due respect to everyone that post to this thread. Let God be the judge. Judge your own life. Even if you think it's wrong in the eyes of God, then let that person find out. I mean, isn't God's spirit strong enough to bring anyone and everyone to Him, if he so pleases. Even Jesus preached about the people of Sodom and Gomorrah being more righteous than the scribes and Pharisees that thought they knew the law inside out.

So, if you think you're impressing someone because you know where to find scriptures that you think "preach" against homosexuality, then be reminded that those that Jesus detested knew the law inside out also or mostly, thought they did.

Don't be blinded.

One other note: There's no record of Jesus speaking out against homosexuality. Jesus and his followers lived under Roman rule. Note that Rome was known for practicing homosexuality, but it's so ironic that Jesus never spoke out against it explicitedly. I think it's because Jesus knew that sexuality was something that his Father designed and that the Father also knew about what some men and women desired, even if it wasn't the traditional heterosexual relationship.

God is just that deep!

Thanks for reading.

When was this? Did this Really Happen? I would have left. Are ya Kidding me? Ya must be...Why listen ?

bernie10 said:

I think that some of what you are saying is misleading. For example in Judiasim homosexuality is not found to be a good thing and Leviticus is the book of laws that came from Moses time. Also why is it that whenever people state facts about the bible we call that judgement. Have I damned someone to hell? Have I placed myself above others? No. I just stated scriptural fact. Also in almost any translation that I have read what was written in Leviticus and Pauls letter to the Romans is what was stated in your english translation of the bible.
C'mon now! not that much is lost in translation and certainly not sins in the bible. One of the oldest forms of Christianity in the world is found in Etheopia. They have the same translation about sexuality that every church in the world does. I really don't understand why people feel a need to run from this and make up all these non truths where this subject is concerned. I mean next are you going to assert that Fornication is not a sin? And if you are not willing to say that (which you shouldn't) then are you willing to say that yes it would be wrong for me to have premarital sex with at woman but it would be okay for me to have it with a man? While Jesus did not speak to homosexuality he did not have to. He spoke to the prophets that came before him and you know and I know they said plenty.
Also when Jesus told the scribes that the people of Soddam and Gommorah were more righteous. I really believe he was telling the scribes they weren't very righteous. That is pretty much the point of that saying.
I think you have studied and I think you are choosing to interpret the words away from the facts. I would actually like to know why and I don't want that discussion in this forum so please org note me so that we can have a deeper conversation on this subject.
Also back to my earlier point we do Homosexuals and Heterosexuals a disservice by misleading them from the truth of scripture. God is more than aware of ours sins and God will judge us. However God is much more a God of love and forgiveness than he is of wrath. Jesus is proof of this. I have no desire to bash gays or be homophobic but what I find way more dangerous that that is being a heretic. I don't think we can achieve a peaceful society in which gays and heterosexuals can exist if we do not teach the truth of the bible and Gods love for all of us inspite of us. Telling people that the scriptures don't really mean what they say moves us in the wrong direction from that.
One more thing no one is doubting how old homosexuality is. I never said it was new to today. As long as humans have been on the earth homosexuality has existed. That means absolutely nothing. The scriputure states what behavior God wants us to exibit. And there is more than just the examples I wrote about. This is as it is written. I am sorry but what you wrote is terribly misleading and not altogether true.
I appreciate the spirit of calm that you are trying to lead us all too and I thank you for that. I really don't wish to get into evil exchanges like the one I had to get into earlier over this topic. However I cannot as a learned Christian allows mistruths to be spoken about the bible. Write me back please cause we need to talk you and I.
Peace

this thread has taken a strange turn.....i cant listen to all this religious crap.....i really dont care who said what or what is right or wrong.....JUST GIVE ME THE FUNK ...LET'S DANCE OUR ASSES OFF UNTIL ITS TIME TO SAY....GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!!!!!

blackboab said:

going back to the original reason for this post, Blackbob should have got up and left and told them WHY he's walking out. Might have found a few fellow peers would have joined you also. Unless someone tells Larry that people dont want to be preached to when they're only there to hear about Prince, then he'll continue clocking up his monthly quota of preaching hours on more poor polite fools

EvilWhiteMale said:

Are you for real? Do you actually believe what you write or are you just trying to wind me up?? I mean you might be right but I reckon you're a pain in the arse to be around. It tskes one to know one

plus que ca change...

this is the best thread title i've ever seen.

Bull said:

Your translation of the bible may say that, but whether or not the original material it was derived from actually condemned homoesexuality is very unlikely. Do a little research. It's all about finding the truth, right?

EvilWhiteMale said:

Let's get it right people, Larry had been back on the tour circuit for a while before Prince & him even hooked up (for instance when he rocked the Sinbad soul fest. along with Graham Central Station)get your facts right!

Why in the world are we talking about something that happened to you 2 years ago?

by now you should have gotten over this a long time ago.

it happened 3 years ago but it still annoys me to think i flew 8000 miles to listen to larry graham preaching to me for hours on end.....i dont think we talked about the actual music at all.....if im ever at a celebration in the future and larry tries it again....i'll show him a new slap bass technique.....i'l slap the bass off his holy crown

blackboab said:

8000 miles... yeah... I'd be pissed too!

I love the title of this thread, it's like one of those tabloid headlines like "Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster".

Ensalved minds

Halley's Comet.

We need a god.
We need comet to fall from the sky
to prove our existence or worth in living.
A compass to point us in the right direction, when the choice is ours.
Shallow lives conforming to one paradigm.
Closed minds searching for something divine.
Shoulders upon which we bear a heavy cross.
We are but the meek.
A promise that we shall inherit not in this world.
Suffer the pains of the other.
Living in fear of ourselves our potential and will suppress.
Under no duress but our own will.

Are we all prisoners?
Prisoners of culture- of norms and conventions.
We perceive that culture equates to the natural.
If culture informs you that being gay is wrong do you deny your existence?
Show me the norm in nature that says that one should only love one.
Do you subscribe to cultural superiority?
Is the Arab intellectually and morally inferior because he practices polygamy?
Is your behaviour governed by your genes - a code that says that you shall only subscribe to one?
You get yourself all twisted and depressed by trying to live up to the norm.
Why enslave your mind?
Surely one can be in a relationship with more than one.
What is it you desire possession of the soul? Are you so insecure in your self that you are not prepared to expand your horizons?
Within the realms of love define and create your own reality.
Shape and be shape by reality. Do not subscribe to conformity.

From a proud black gay mind that has given up the yoke of christianity

eldog98 said:

of course his own tour couldn't have been all that successful if he jumped at the chance to shift from being a headliner to an opening act for a fading 80's star.


and the fact that he has to play so many Sly songs in concert would suggest that while he may be important to funk music, he's not all THAT important. the only reason Prince is hanging out with Larry is because Sly is a recluse. if he wasn't a shut-in, it would be Sly that would be calling him "baby brother" and hanging out at Paisley Park. i'd much rather have that than the sloppy seconds of Larry Graham.