I shared some of your responses [anonymously] with the coworker. Here's the response. VERY FASCINATING:

This response doesnt surprise me , nor waive me at all in the least, someone disputed that no song (written by prince) exists with mavis staples singing "God is coming like a dog in heat" , then they dont know his music. cause it does, if need be i shall get the title.

btw on 3 chaing of gold it says at the end, "you will go before me, because i sure love satan" all im gonna say listen carefully.

I shared some of your responses [anonymously] with the coworker. Here's the response. VERY FASCINATING:

This response doesnt surprise me , nor waive me at all in the least, someone disputed that no song (written by prince) exists with mavis staples singing "God is coming like a dog in heat" , then they dont know his music. cause it does, if need be i shall get the title. the bottom line is they dont deny what i said, that it is the symbol soapstone, and as i stated i dont agree with having anything in my possession that has the meaning it has...but then thats where "I" stand. I also wouldnt let my child see Harry potter (rooted in sorcery) as i stated , soapstone is the same as the philosiphers stone in harry potter. i have "for myself" looked deeply into alchemy , taking no mans word , they seeek higher knowledge and powers, from spiritual sources other than God , also there are alot of twists of the word, example...they talk of the "corner stone" spoken of in the bible. and that is where they get their premis of this soapstone or philosphers stone...when clearly the "corner stone" spoken of in the bible..is JESUS. In alchemy the are in touch with spirtual beings (and i might as well call it what it is , demons) for spiritual wisdom, enlightenment and knowledge....so by chance i might of been off about the ankh being a part of his symbol....that is the LEAST important fact to me. THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT IS THAT SOAPSTONE RESPRESENTS "THE OPENENING OR CROSSING THE VEIL TO OTHER DEMINSIONS' ...This is fact!!! not guess work, i dont need other's veiws on it....im not desensitized or blinded by prince. I DONT WANT ANYTHING IN MY HOUSE THAT REPRESENTS AN OPENING TO ANOTHER DEMINSION....PERIOD!!! if you want to know more dont go to a site full of prince lovers...join an alchemy site or group for yourself and find out more about it. look up more information on soapstone in alchemy and more importantly PRAY FOR YOUR OWN WISDOM FROM THE LORD ABOUT IT.

SECONDLY THE EGYPTIANS WORSHIPPED OTHER GODS AND FALSE GODS, SO I WOULD WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ANKH EITHER!! OR ANY EGYPTIAN SYMBOLS FOR THAT MATTER!!!!..that is my personal choice based on what i know for me!!! Remember.....God delivered his people out of egypt!!


the peace symbol in satanic worship is called the cross of nero, it wasnt called the peace symbol UNTILL the 1960's....

As for his face, you explain to me why he would distort his face, you get a baphomet and see if you can see the similarities for yourself. i dont have time in my own spirtiual walk to brown nose after prince and buy into what a zealous prince fan has to say...i saw it with my own eyes..he is caluculated and does everthing with a reason....I mean he distorted his face for some reason or do you really think he just did it for no reason at all?????. it just happens to look like the same shape to me.

i cant be woo'ed over some bible talkin charasmatic anyone..the devil knows the word better than most of us.....for the most part, this just confirmed what i said , did not dispute...i dont care about prince's motives for using the symbol, WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT IS WHAT THE SYMBOL MEANS AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS!!!!. as for the statements about prince being spitirual...THAT MEANS NOTHING. SPIRITUALITY WITHOUT GOD IS DANGEROUS.... i could name just as many things in graffiti bridge and love sexy that were UNGODLY.

THE FACT IS...THE SYMBOL IS ROOTED IN ALCHEMY AND HIS STATEMENTS AND SONGS HAVE MAJOR OVERTONES AND UNDERTONES OF THE GOLDEN DAWN ("MAY YOU LIVE TO SEE THE DAWN" , WELCOME TO THE DAWN", "NEW POWER GENERATON" ETC.....IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT ALCHEMY AND THE GOLDEN DAWN ARE ABOUT LOOK INTO IT FOR YOURSELF!!!...DONT ASK ON NPGMUSICLUB!!!.

i have gotten so many emails from the masonic order that tell me im right on track with it all.....and have made my decisions based on my beleifs about the symbol...now all anyone else can do is the same! some might have no problem with it whatsoever , and thats fine!!! I just personally do!!!!


btw on three chaing of gold

it says at the end, "you will go before me, because i sure love satan" all im gonna say listen carefully.

im'a do a search and find the mavis staples song as well.....

also just listen to seven and pray for clarification on the meaning on the song.

laylow03 said:

The song with Mavis Staples you are refering to is called "God Is Alive"

I don't necessarily agree with your stance on the cover of TRC. The image is simply a stylized charictature of Prince. It was common in Byzantine art to elongate figures as well, but it was by no means a homage to satanism. Likewise they embelished the images in gold, but it wasnt a celebration of Alchemy. The similarities bewteen Prince and the goat are nothing more than an amusing coincidence to me.

To be honest, I really don't think Prince was really hardcore into any of this. Many people reference or wear ancient symbols these days without really knowing the whole history of them. Perhaps they read a brief summary about the meaning of something, and thought it was kind of cool. Maybe they just wanted to surround themself with an air of mystique.

The Prince symbol is a blatant ripoff the soapstone symbol. Moreso than an aknh or a satanic cross. This is just speculation, but in the early 80's the symbol was synonymous with the gender bending image he was pushing. Perhaps years later as he was flipping through some books of ancient symbols, he came across the Soapstone one and thought it was cool. Who knows.

I think we're reading in to it all more than Prince ever did. Also, as much of a control freak Prince seems to be, he never really struck me as a graphic designer. It's kind of hard to pinpoint what things on his album covers were direct demands from Prince, and what were simply embelishments tacked on by the artist(s) and designer(s) to decorate the cover.

The symbol thing was more or less a passing fad/phase for Prince anyhow.

My grandmother used to buy all kinds of books on dreams and lottery numbers. I wouldn't label her an occultist though...

layylow03, I respect your friend's objections. They obviously come from a strict Christian perspective where any form of spirituality that falls outside their very narrowly proscribed view is suspected to be another cloak in which Satan disguises himself. I had a grade school teacher like that who humiliated me in front of the whole class because the book I brought for show-and-tell was about hypnosis, something she said was very Satanic! There is a boogeyman in every cupboard for those people.

Your friend is welcome to whatever religious beliefs s/he chooses but should not assume her concerns are shared by all.

laurarichardson said:

What did he lie about?

For people who can look beyond Fear and Satanist statements.....(pff..what a crap)..and know the only evil in the world is stupidity.....

Carl Gustav Jung is actually discussing this theme within Alchemy (look voor Mysterious Conjuction (or something like that).....the very interesting thing in this theme is that the woman and the man get born a child...but a child that is not healthy..not full-grown...now i never saw what happened as a coincendence...since it all fits in the whole picture..

One of the ladies at my job [who, coincidentially is a major Prince fan] sent me this. Please tell me what ya'll think:

WANT TO KNOW THE ORIGIN AND MEANING OF THE PRINCE SYMBOL??? READ ON.....

I used to have this animation on my page that breaks down the meaning or parts of the symbol..showing it as being the male/female or (anhk) and the egyptian eye ( Udjat) and then i saw this site.....with the symbols.
while on the site i remembered his ear cuff with the moon and star (diana and lucifer) and found it here too....

http://www.exposingsatani...ymbols.htm


the other things that struck me while on this site too, was his face on the cd for the rainbow children being distorted to the the shape of the goat in
the baphomet a satanic symbol....i put them right next to eachother and its very clear that was the meaning of him distorting his face on the cd to this shape.

so then i started to seek further for information (although this wouldof been enoughfor me to not want to have thissymbol in my possesion at all from this point in what i saw, but i still wanted to have a stronger foundation in knowledge and about it all being
true. so a member of a prince yahoo group lead me here..in explanation of the origin of the symbol

http://www.navel.com/memb...age_05.htm


this very clearly shows that part of his symbol is the soapstone shown on this
site originating as a symbol in alchemy , this with the ankh makes up the symbol.

i needed to know what soapstone meant, and stood for because just knowing that it was soapstone was not enough

so then i searched for soapstone/symbols and the only thing i could come up
with was alot of witchcraft/demonic sites ...seems they use alot of soapstone for various things, as if it has some meaning to them as well..then i stumbled on this....

this site is from a prince fan`s point of view...but interesting what she says about
alchemy and the soapstone...
http://www.prince3922.fre.../rune.html

the most important part of this site to me being this paragraph (the meaning of the soapstone)
because that is what i need to know the origin of this symbol
and its meaning.

"The substance Soapstone is compacted talc,and as an elixir it was believed it
could help to cross "the veil of dimensions",
"Together we`ll love through all space and time"-7,1992."

Now if you are a believer in the Lord , and the Bible, do i need to tell you what crossing the veil of
dimensions mean??? or could mean??? i mean dimensions to where? the spirit world? the after life? astro plane??? i mean i dont have to tell you its all out there in witchcraft and satanic worship...this is what they do. The
key is it CLEARLY states in the Bible we are not to seek any other
dimensions!!! OF ANY KIND.

so then i go to this site another person referred me too, this site is
very very long..but if you scrolldown it talks about the symbol its meaning, origin and even his possible religion

http://216.239.53.100/sea...n&ie=UTF-8

(i just checked and that site is down now, which really sucks, cause there was lots of info there, maybe it will work again later )


did you know there was a religion called the Golden dawn?? Im wondering if that might be why he says may you live to see the dawn?? welcome to the dawn, playground for the new power generation???? and the whole Gold ablum, etc...too many coincidences to be a coincidence to me. prince is far too calculated to not know what he is doing. there are many many questionable things about him, heard in his music etc, far too much to put on this page though. all peices of a puzzle that when you put them all together all point in the same direction. despite all the other confusing stuff that seems "good" these things should be kept in mind . God does not bring confusion.

well here it is, what seems to be his religion.....
http://www.golden-dawn.org/

this is just one site i went to, but guess what? it too has its origin in
alchemy...soooo you tell me??? i dont think i can just close my eyes to what seems to be the
obvious anyomore...ill leave it at that. look into it all for yourselves , im not here to convince anyone. search for yourselves,
ask for yourselves...it all depends on where your own beliefs are and what your comfortable with. and im just not comfortable with it thats just my personal choice, according to my faith and beliefs! everybody has the right to seek and ask and find what
they believe is true for them. decide for yourselves. I personally have made the decision to have nothing to do with this symbol, i will not have it in my possesion at all whatsoever. I dont want anything in my possession or home that represents crossing the veil to other demensions.

by the way just for your futher information. this soapstone is also knownas the philosphers stone, or the sorcerer`s stone of "harry potter" which is clearly about witchcraft/sorcery etc

WHAT RELIGION A MAN PROFESSES WITH HIS MOUTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHATS IN HIS HEART!!

please dont bite my head off if you love prince, i love him too, just sharing information i found and my personal beliefs...

its not my place to judge where he was, or is, or will be in his heart with God, but i did want to know the meaning and origin of the symbol and i found it.

Quote me. I never said he was evil. I only gave some background to the stuff he's dug into and got his hands dirty with.

The circle part of the icon does symbolize the Sun god in several mystical and magickal systems. and Prince even included the dot early on when the most current symbol was first used in ads and on publicly circulated materials. The circle dot represents the view of a penis from above. This is merely a symbol of masculine power embodied in the flesh when a male magician invokes the God.

First off, some of this info you have is just plain wrong. The ankh is NOT a part of Princes symbol at all. The Ankh is also not "satanic " at all. It is an egyptian heiroglyph, meaning "life". Mayte wore this symbol a lot during the 'symbol' years, but it wasn't a part of Prince's symbol.

Second, Prince's symbol evolved quite a bit over the years. At first it was just a combination of the "Mars" and "Venus" symbols, which represent male and female (this symbol first appeared on the "1999" album cover art. Look hard, its there). All the different versions of it have been a variation on this theme. In 1992, he unveiled the version that would later stand in for his name:

The combined the male/female glyph with that of Soapstone, an ingredient used in Alchemy. Now, to automatically declare alchemy to be "witchcraft" is to ignore a whole lot of history on the subject. Alchemy started as a bona-fide scientific attempt to transmute lead and other substances into gold. Now, this may seem ridiculous to us now, but you have to realise that in the dark ages, science was in a very different place. Eventually, the Catholic church declared it sinful (since it was the pursuit of wealth), and then later declared it "witchcraft". Alchemy was then considered a heresy punishable by death (it should also be noted here that the church at this time believed cats to all be witch's familiars, and ordered them destroyed. This eventually led to vermin overrunning the population, and spreading the fleas that brought about the plague. I would hardly consider the Church at this time to be a very sensible establishment).

Now, the Golden Dawn organization that you sited has been around since the 1800s. Like many of these groups (such as the rosicrucians), many of their beliefs and traditions incorporated various things previously declared "heretical" by the Catholic Church. In the 1800s, especially in England, there was a strong Occult movement. Many dabblers in these fields (such as Aleister Crowley and HP Blavatsky) sought out knowledge they felt had been oppressed by the church. Naturally, they ran across alchemy. In a time when scientific dicoveries were occuring constantly, many dark-age traditions sounded much more like sorcery than they did science. Thus, these occultists included alchemy, alongside tarot and astrology.

Where does Prince's incorporation of the soap stone symbol come in. Well, I think its more metophoric than anything. If you look at the themes being explored at the time on his albums, there is a common thread: change. Prince was "transmuting" himself into a new, "golden" persona. On "Endorphinmachine" he sings "every now and then there comes a time U must defend your right 2 die and live again". This theme of resurrection and rebirth was metaphoric, not literal.

To protest Warner owning his works (the works authored by Prince) he dropped his name in favour of a symbol he had created. At the time, he had found Mayte, and believed her to be his soulmate. This uniting of the male and female, illustrated in the Biblical based "and God Created Woman", was very well represented by his "love symbol" (as his fans had called it for years). In the Bible, when man and woman are joined, they become "one body", returning to the state that God originally intended. Prince, no doubt, felt that Mayte made him "whole". This metaphor, combined with another symbol (one that, in itself, also incorporates the male and female symbols) that is used to represent the changining of a dull, valueless metal into a beautiful, treasured one is a very powerful metaphor indeed. Prince was, in his mind, moving in a new direction, one that was better than the place he had been before. He even went so far as to declare Prince "dead"

Now, the whole thing with Prince's face being in the shape of a Baphomet on "The Rainbow Children" is probably the single biggest reach of them all. At this point, Prince had dropped the symbol name, and had embraced the teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses. The lyrics to to the album are steeped in the teachings of this religion, and are decidedly oppossed to any worship other than that of the one, true God, Jehovah. (It should also be noted that this album has two different lines that address Satan. First off, on the track "Muse 2 The Pharoah" when he warns that the devil will come diguised as "light", and later on "Family Name, when he tells the Devil that his time is up, and that God has already won the war he is planning)

It is understandable that some folks will read much into Prince's cryptic words and symbols, but an analysis should first be made into his lyrics, and his own philisophical leanings (which have always been of a Christian bent, even since the early days of his career). Likewise, a little research into history will do some good. Some fundamentalists groups feel that all non-Christian symbols are "evil" (even things such as Egyptian heiroglyphs), but this is plain silly. A symbol is, just that, a symbol. Even the Baphomet, that you site earlier, did not start off as a "satanic" symbol. The Catholic Church decared it so, and it was later adopted by Satanists for this very reason. Heck, I even attended a church once that tried to claim a peace symbol was 'satanic'. Well, a symbol is only evil if that is what you read into it. Personally, I don't view Prince's symbol as being "satanic" at all, and I think its a real stretch to fit that kind of meaning to it.