What a load of sensationalistic nonsense. What do Golden Dawn (a Christian-based mystical order) or alchemy have to do with Satanism? Nothing. ( What does any of it have to do with Prince? Nothing.

Why go conjuring up some whacked out theory when Prince put his spiritual beliefs out there for the world to see? Have none of these asshats heard The Rainbow Children?

It's true that in the pre-JW days Prince sprinkled his work with a sort of gauzy pseudomysticism, but all in the interest of appearing cool and mysterious. Anyone looking for deeper meaning there is seriously misguided and needs to step away from the bong.

rando310 said:

A quote from one of the recently voted worst Prince songs on another thread: "The Devil got you thinking he's invisible, but how he make you act is real (stupid)."

When Satanists say that they do not worship the devil, can it be little more than self-deception? To quote (paraphrase, maybe) another pop culture artifact, THE USUAL SUSPECTS: "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled off was to convince the world that he does not exist."

I do not buy the idea that Satan has nothing to do with Satanism. It is an absurdity upon an absurdity, in the hopes that we will find it too absurd to believe.

But perhaps it really is true, because the true anti-Christ is all about worshipping the self above all else, and in that case, one would not worship any devil but themselves.
[This message was edited Mon May 3 15:18:46 2004 by crenshaw]

rando310 said:

http://www.churchofsatan.com

The Nine Satanic Statements

from The Satanic Bible, ©1969

by Anton Szandor LaVey

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!



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[This message was edited Mon May 3 15:32:50 2004 by EvilWhiteMale]

crenshaw said:

What's wrong with worshipping ourselves? At least we're sure of our own existence. God is just a theory at this point. Check out what I posted above.

i was wondering if his album NEWS had anything to do with the four elements (which are assigned colors, characters, and directions as well as archangels). prince has always taken elements of different philosophies and religions and mixed them into his own brand of spirituality, hasn't he?

During the Symbol album period up to time the Gold Experience was released, Prince's lyrics and symbolism, including costume choices, postures in photos, etc. did point to an interest or exposure to Egyptian and Babylonian mysticism. For example, if you look at the artwork on the Symbol CD, you will see that the circle of the symbol has a dot in it. This, for those who are in the know, is an old symbol for the Sun deity or male generative principle. The rest of the symbol point to the Goddess symbol, or male generative principle. Both concepts combined lean toward Alchemical principles, which are indeed Magickal, and do not refer a literal tranforming of lead to gold. The transformation is actually a spiritual one. Gold refers to awakening to one's divinity. He later refined the symbol the popular soapstone/God/Goddess/Herald icon that become his logotype before he changed his name back to Prince. The person who started this thread is definitely on to something, but some of the info is conjecture. The occult symbols in Princes 90's work is so exahaustive that a discussion in a forum will simply not do it justice. Remmber, occult merely means secret.

Several lyrics in the Come album refer to sex magick, or esoteric tantra, including the title track. That is the goal of all magickal systems - the union of male and female, acting as conduits for the God/Goddess forces to push The Plan forward. Remember Prince had a tune called The Plan as well during this period. His references to the New World are a part of his ideology at that time too. I am not speaking gibberish here, but am a former occultist and I know it when I see it. I'm not condemning his journey at that time, it was just a stop on the way. His exposure to the JW faith has captured his interest now, and that's what he is exploring. You can see it in his lyrics, just as his occultist beliefs during those periods I described were evident in his lyrics, costume choices, etc.

Prince, like any musician, has used his fame as a platform, and has indoctrinated many into his beliefs, whatever they have been at the time. He's not the first, and will not be the last. Remember Madonna? She shifted from Catholic, to Hedonist/Satanist, to Buddhist, to Hinduist, and finally to Kabbalist, all the while pulling several fans into those realms with her. When I used to fequent the original Holy River chatroom, several people were getting turned on the Prince's beliefs of the moment as well. That's my two cents on it....

So is he gifted or cursed?

EvilWhiteMale said:

Your getting this from Anton Levay a liar and nutcase.

WOOOWWWW!!! This is really, really interesting. I'll keep reading and share later. You guys truly know your stuff. Fascinating, indeed!

laurarichardson said:

What did he lie about?

HiinEnkelte said:

Mental! BUT GooD!

What did LaVey lie about?[i] He was a Satanist of the hedonist variety, believing that the Self is God and did not believe in a literal Satan. His school believes that man is an animal and that all of humanity should get back to its primal roots and not to be bound by dogma or fear the that they believe results from organized belief systems, such as Christianity. The other school of Satanism incorporates the worship of a being called Satan or other derivations of that name.

that is crap and it bears absolutely no relevance 2 PRINCE!

Read from the top, then comment. Thanks.

I would hope that members on this board, and people in general, do not believe ANYTHING an occultist would tell them about Prince or his music, or buy into their propaganda(There is a way that seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12). Some of these claims are ridiculous. If you want to overanalyze, listen to Led Zeppelin and dig for symbolism, not an artist who writes songs like: God, The Cross, or 4 The Tears In Your Eyes. Pagans often hide behind rhetoric that states they believe in God, but they never confess Jesus as the Christ. Prince has often thanked God publicly(one of the first artists to do so at award shows) and has often brought Jesus to the forefront of his live shows. Like I stated earlier, pray about it, and God will lead you in the direction you need to go in. And also, like another board member stated, it's just music. Enjoy it. If you've been Born Again, Prince and his music is not going to keep you from God's Salvation. EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, AND EVERY TONGUE CONFESS, JESUS IS LORD!

jstarr2000 said:

Prince obviously believed the occultists know as the Jehovas Witnesses.

Hail Satan!

As far as Prince being one of the first to thank God on an awards show, that simply is not true...If you are refering to the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame induction, then you must have missed many prior award shows. Several artists have thank God and even used the name Jesus Christ at awards shows. I am no longer an occultist, but I do know occult symbology when I see it and Prince was neck deep in it during the 1990's. Face it. It's truth. Also, study the foundations of The Watchtower Society and its founder Charles Russell, and then consider whether or not Prince ackowledges your God. I'm quite his understanding of Jesus is far different than yours.

The first link you posted also shows the peace sign as Satanic. I think every single musician has worn a peace sign at some time or another. Uh oh, their all devil worshippers!

The peace sign is also called a Cross of Nero...Check out it's origins

The peace sign was originally meant to be a broken cross -- take a look -- within a circle (of power/magick). It is very occultic. Signs and symbols contain power.

kaoboy72 said:

As recent as 1996, Prince did state that Jesus was God in his lyrics to "The Holy River"

Who gave U life when there was none at all?
Who gave the sun permission 2 rise up everyday? (Ooh, oh yes)
Let me tell it (Go'n)
If U ask God 2 love U longer
Every breath U take will make U stronger
Keepin' U happy (happy) and proud 2 call His name (Go'n and say it)
Jesus (Jesus)

But as a Jehovah's Witness, sadly Prince has lost his grasp of this Truth and revelation of Jesus. He does believe in a different one these days.

As far as Prince thanking my God, it seems a lot of you weren't around when he started doing a lot of award shows in 1985. Not many artists at the time would take a stand for their faith. Now it's pretty much the norm. Insisting on any of these symbols or songs being evil is a joke. There are a lot of variables in any kind of art, but I've heard almost every Prince song that's been circulated through bootlegs and the commercial releases(probably over 400 songs), and I've never heard anything that made me even think for a second he might be pagan. Come on. "Starfish & Coffee"? I don't agree with the Jehovah's Witness philosophy, but I've had a couple friends who were JW's, and they are far from being occult. Maybe it's a "cult", but hopefully Prince will come around soon. Obviously he's blessed by God to be able to fill our lives with so many great songs. He stated on the BET interview, that "Music is a gift from God." It is. I urge all the Prince fans(especially laylow) who are confused by the statements on this thread to not let the negative and speculative comments made by some, to ruin your love of Prince and his music. Think about it. Almost every song on Purple Rain is about God. How can anyone try to turn that into a negative thing? I'm not a preacher, but I've been a Christian since I was 14, and I've been a Prince fan since I was 17. And especially this year, the ride just keeps getting better.

It's that 1999 album cover that started all this.

XxAxX said:

you'd be surprised how much of his symbolism is found in the bible... almost all of it.

but i believe there is a good deal of truth to be found in different philosophies and religions, and that these do not necessarily contradict the bible.

the more i search, the more i discover that there is a certain order to the universe and at the same time, infinite variety.

I had no idea there were so many crazy Prince fans. I always considered them fairly intelligent people, but after reading this thread, I will have to reasses that opinion. Anybody who believes symbols have some sort of power, or that having a Prince album with his symbol on it will bring them harm is profoundly retarded.

By the way, here are a few more symbols that may or may not be satanic or evil-

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ...and let's not forget- !@#$%^&*()

My keyboard is starting to freak me out, I guess I will have to quit using my computer. Could be hazardous to my health.

diamond99 said:

I totally agree!

morningsong said:

1999? hmm... 999 = 666 upside-down

I shared some of your responses [anonymously] with the coworker. Here's the response. VERY FASCINATING:

This response doesnt surprise me , nor waive me at all in the least, someone disputed that no song (written by prince) exists with mavis staples singing "God is coming like a dog in heat" , then they dont know his music. cause it does, if need be i shall get the title. the bottom line is they dont deny what i said, that it is the symbol soapstone, and as i stated i dont agree with having anything in my possession that has the meaning it has...but then thats where "I" stand. I also wouldnt let my child see Harry potter (rooted in sorcery) as i stated , soapstone is the same as the philosiphers stone in harry potter. i have "for myself" looked deeply into alchemy , taking no mans word , they seeek higher knowledge and powers, from spiritual sources other than God , also there are alot of twists of the word, example...they talk of the "corner stone" spoken of in the bible. and that is where they get their premis of this soapstone or philosphers stone...when clearly the "corner stone" spoken of in the bible..is JESUS. In alchemy the are in touch with spirtual beings (and i might as well call it what it is , demons) for spiritual wisdom, enlightenment and knowledge....so by chance i might of been off about the ankh being a part of his symbol....that is the LEAST important fact to me. THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT IS THAT SOAPSTONE RESPRESENTS "THE OPENENING OR CROSSING THE VEIL TO OTHER DEMINSIONS' ...This is fact!!! not guess work, i dont need other's veiws on it....im not desensitized or blinded by prince. I DONT WANT ANYTHING IN MY HOUSE THAT REPRESENTS AN OPENING TO ANOTHER DEMINSION....PERIOD!!! if you want to know more dont go to a site full of prince lovers...join an alchemy site or group for yourself and find out more about it. look up more information on soapstone in alchemy and more importantly PRAY FOR YOUR OWN WISDOM FROM THE LORD ABOUT IT.

SECONDLY THE EGYPTIANS WORSHIPPED OTHER GODS AND FALSE GODS, SO I WOULD WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ANKH EITHER!! OR ANY EGYPTIAN SYMBOLS FOR THAT MATTER!!!!..that is my personal choice based on what i know for me!!! Remember.....God delivered his people out of egypt!!


the peace symbol in satanic worship is called the cross of nero, it wasnt called the peace symbol UNTILL the 1960's....

As for his face, you explain to me why he would distort his face, you get a baphomet and see if you can see the similarities for yourself. i dont have time in my own spirtiual walk to brown nose after prince and buy into what a zealous prince fan has to say...i saw it with my own eyes..he is caluculated and does everthing with a reason....I mean he distorted his face for some reason or do you really think he just did it for no reason at all?????. it just happens to look like the same shape to me.

i cant be woo'ed over some bible talkin charasmatic anyone..the devil knows the word better than most of us.....for the most part, this just confirmed what i said , did not dispute...i dont care about prince's motives for using the symbol, WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT IS WHAT THE SYMBOL MEANS AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS!!!!. as for the statements about prince being spitirual...THAT MEANS NOTHING. SPIRITUALITY WITHOUT GOD IS DANGEROUS.... i could name just as many things in graffiti bridge and love sexy that were UNGODLY.

THE FACT IS...THE SYMBOL IS ROOTED IN ALCHEMY AND HIS STATEMENTS AND SONGS HAVE MAJOR OVERTONES AND UNDERTONES OF THE GOLDEN DAWN ("MAY YOU LIVE TO SEE THE DAWN" , WELCOME TO THE DAWN", "NEW POWER GENERATON" ETC.....IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT ALCHEMY AND THE GOLDEN DAWN ARE ABOUT LOOK INTO IT FOR YOURSELF!!!...DONT ASK ON NPGMUSICLUB!!!.

i have gotten so many emails from the masonic order that tell me im right on track with it all.....and have made my decisions based on my beleifs about the symbol...now all anyone else can do is the same! some might have no problem with it whatsoever , and thats fine!!! I just personally do!!!!


btw on three chaing of gold

it says at the end, "you will go before me, because i sure love satan" all im gonna say listen carefully.

im'a do a search and find the mavis staples song as well.....

also just listen to seven and pray for clarification on the meaning on the song.

Jasziah said:

Tink, tink, tink... you guys hit the nail on the head with these posts. Finally, people who agree with me, and I them.



After Prince became a jw, I did some research into this man-made religion. It's pretty scary actually, but I keep them in prayer. One day they will study the true Word, without a magazine or book written by some man over 100 years ago, and their eyes will be open by the Holy Spirit. God will guide them to the correct Truth if they learn to follow Him and not a man (Charles Russell).

Go on... feel free to persecute the truth.