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Reply #90 posted 04/30/04 8:21pm

crenshaw

Yeah, I wouldn;t cancel that purchase-- as a Prince fan, I found this book fascinating-- and I really believed as I read it, and still believe now, that Hahn really does have a fascination for Prince and his music. How could you read it and not see this? He has his own opinion, and even though I don't completely agree with it, it is a very interesting viewpoint nonetheless. Definitely worth reading and discussing. Used in tandem with other Prince literature (about Prince), it helps provide a more complete picture of his temperament.
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Reply #91 posted 05/01/04 9:20am

SexyBeautifulO
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JC said:

AlexHahn said:

This full-scale biography of Prince created quite a stir on the org and among Prince fans when it was released in hardcover, and it's just been released in paperback. I've also made changes to my website, www.princepossessed.com, including comments about what Prince's 2004 comeback means for Possessed. The book is now in stores and also available on amazon.com and bn.com.

surprisingly
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lyrical
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book
in
Musicology
hmmm


hrmph Please! Prince is not thinking about Hahn or that short stack of ground up trees with typing on it, he had the audacity to call a book. In this world, drama sells! Always has, always will! Hahn is trying to capitalize on that fact at Prince's expense.(Especially NOW! With all that's going on in Prince's world.) I'm sure Prince is aware of it, and feels as I do, that it's not even worth his energy to acknowledge!
Let Hahn keep peddling his wares like he is now! wink
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Reply #92 posted 05/01/04 9:29am

Aerogram

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Possessed was a sucky bio by a first-time biographer who had worked pro bono against his subject. Just the fact the book needs an epilogue a couple of months after its publication -- not to mention a title change -- should be warning enough to prospective buyers.
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Reply #93 posted 05/01/04 9:43am

Aerogram

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AlexHahn said:

I wrote a book that stirs up opinions, and that's fine...I'm used to getting slammed on prince.org, but just to add a little balance, let's recall that the Chicago Sun-Times praised it as the best Prince biography yet....The Village Voice said "An up-to-the-minute biography superior to Dave Hill's 1989 Prince: A Pop Life for its eyewitness accounts."

And as far as how fans have greeted it, here's a post on amazon.com:

"As a hardcore Prince fanatic I was ready to see a halfbaked hatchet job with this book (as other titles have been), but it is EXCELLENT. It is thorough, fact driven, and a pageturner, and NOT a National Enquirer bull**** gossip book."

And another one: "This is a great book for music/entertainment junkies and manages to be truthful, a bit gossipy but never sinks to the level of tabloid trash. A Good Read for the diehard fan or the casual admirer."

And another: "If you're a devoted, got-everything, member-of-npg-online Prince fanatic, skip this book. It paints Prince as a fallible human being, and you don't want to hear that."

And this, from a Prince insider:

"This book hits things right on the nail. From someone who has personally been around the Prince Camp (1994-2001) as a fan and supporter with the hope that Prince would pull out of his self destructive pattern, this is the book to get."


That's extremely silly, Alex. If you want to defend your book by posting good reviews, imagine what kind of reply I could give you by doing the same for Musicology. It certainly has more positive reviews than your book.
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Reply #94 posted 05/01/04 9:45am

Aerogram

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A most ironic fact emerges : Alex Hahn's a biographer who doesn't expect his subject to grow and change.
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Reply #95 posted 05/01/04 5:01pm

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AlexHahn said:

This full-scale biography of Prince created quite a stir on the org and among Prince fans when it was released in hardcover, and it's just been released in paperback. I've also made changes to my website, www.princepossessed.com, including comments about what Prince's 2004 comeback means for Possessed. The book is now in stores and also available on amazon.com and bn.com.


Alex, you put a lot of work into this book and I liked it in parts but you come off as a bit of an oppurtunist with the fruity glam pic and now you want to promote it because our guy is hotter than hot. Forget it, you should have been more proffesional like Nilsen. We know our boy has problems, there wasn't much revelatory in your book, I did like some of the minor details about his family history though. It's a good book, I might buy it simply being a prince nut but I think the axe you had to grind was obvious. Not that Prince is beyond reproach, he's a screwed up person by many accounts but so what, everyone is. We love him in spite of it and my broke ass is going to be their when he comes to town, not to support him but to inspire myself, I'm a musician and I could use a little of the master's presence.
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Reply #96 posted 05/01/04 5:06pm

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AlexHahn said:

I wrote a book that stirs up opinions, and that's fine...I'm used to getting slammed on prince.org, but just to add a little balance, let's recall that the Chicago Sun-Times praised it as the best Prince biography yet....The Village Voice said "An up-to-the-minute biography superior to Dave Hill's 1989 Prince: A Pop Life for its eyewitness accounts."

And as far as how fans have greeted it, here's a post on amazon.com:

"As a hardcore Prince fanatic I was ready to see a halfbaked hatchet job with this book (as other titles have been), but it is EXCELLENT. It is thorough, fact driven, and a pageturner, and NOT a National Enquirer bull**** gossip book."

And another one: "This is a great book for music/entertainment junkies and manages to be truthful, a bit gossipy but never sinks to the level of tabloid trash. A Good Read for the diehard fan or the casual admirer."

And another: "If you're a devoted, got-everything, member-of-npg-online Prince fanatic, skip this book. It paints Prince as a fallible human being, and you don't want to hear that."

And this, from a Prince insider:

"This book hits things right on the nail. From someone who has personally been around the Prince Camp (1994-2001) as a fan and supporter with the hope that Prince would pull out of his self destructive pattern, this is the book to get."


Sorry Alex, but i've been reading books,articles,watched docu's on the man and have traced his career very closely, and as far as these quotes I respectfully disagree, I did read your book but out of all of prince's bios this is the worst, and I'm even counting the tiger beat type of books that were printed when Prince was the pop thing of the moment, at least the teeny bopper books were professionally edited, unbiased and accurate.
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Reply #97 posted 05/01/04 5:10pm

BinaryJustin

Aerogram said:

A most ironic fact emerges : Alex Hahn's a biographer who doesn't expect his subject to grow and change.


Aerogram, Muffin. The book obviously encompasses a specific period of time.

Famboozled said:

I put 'Possessed' in my basket, and went back to searching for a gemstones book. During that time I logged in to Prince.org and saw this thread, read it in its entirety and am just this very minute going to cancel my order for the Prince book.


Why?
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Reply #98 posted 05/01/04 5:44pm

Famboozled

BinaryJustin said:

Aerogram said:

A most ironic fact emerges : Alex Hahn's a biographer who doesn't expect his subject to grow and change.


Aerogram, Muffin. The book obviously encompasses a specific period of time.

Famboozled said:

I put 'Possessed' in my basket, and went back to searching for a gemstones book. During that time I logged in to Prince.org and saw this thread, read it in its entirety and am just this very minute going to cancel my order for the Prince book.


Why?



Well, because some of the views on this thread come from some people who I respect. Those views suggest to me that this book ain't too hot. This suggests to me that my money might be better spent elsewhere, perhaps on a pot plant for the kitchen.

...
[This message was edited Sat May 1 17:45:32 2004 by Famboozled]
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Reply #99 posted 05/01/04 6:05pm

SENSHY

Aerogram said:

Possessed was a sucky bio by a first-time biographer who had worked pro bono against his subject. Just the fact the book needs an epilogue a couple of months after its publication -- not to mention a title change -- should be warning enough to prospective buyers.

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Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #100 posted 05/01/04 6:06pm

SENSHY

Aerogram said:

. If you want to defend your book by posting good reviews, .


I know..where is the integrity?
Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #101 posted 05/01/04 7:30pm

ravewithdawn

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Reply #102 posted 05/01/04 7:32pm

ravewithdawn

if u want 2 buy this book look on e-bay some one is selling it BUY IT NOW .10 cents !!Thats all it worth!!!!!I really like your book!!!!!
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Reply #103 posted 05/02/04 2:24pm

LarrytheGOD

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mentalist said:



So, Fact? Fiction? Who knows! Enjoyable reading. smile


Fact. I'm sure a room full of Prince's lawyers enjoyed reading it.



over and over and over again.
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Reply #104 posted 05/02/04 5:14pm

NME

TheBluePrince said:

If Prince's 'return' 'comeback' 'resurface' (whatever you wanna call it) was predicted by the author. I believe it would have totally changed the dynamics of the text extensively, even down to the very title of the book. To call it "The Rise and Fall..." surely implies a decline in his career (which has been debated here). Because of Prince's 'commercial' return, it kinda ruins the credibility of the text down to the title of it.

I guess what I'm saying is; Prince is getting the last laugh, all while doing such incredible things in the media nowadays that kinda says "Fuck you!" to all the critics, haters, supposed victims, and bitter ex-associates.

just my couple of cents peace


i completley disagree. every review of musicology CD and tour has mentioned princes absence from the mainstream / decline in popular appeal / albums that came out and the general public didn't give a fuck about. all the interviews are talking about prince 'coming back'. coming back from what..? his ever present popularity with the mainstreambuying public...? err. no...

i think the title alone is going to perfectly piggy back the recent growth in media profile....
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Reply #105 posted 05/03/04 12:21pm

Savannah

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

JC said:


surprisingly
no
lyrical
response
to
the
book
in
Musicology
hmmm


hrmph [color=olive:a8c33f6f20]Please! Prince is not thinking about Hahn or that short stack of ground up trees with typing on it, he had the audacity to call a book. In this world, drama sells! Always has, always will! Hahn is trying to capitalize on that fact at Prince's expense.(Especially NOW! With all that's going on in Prince's world.) I'm sure Prince is aware of it, and feels as I do, that it's not even worth his energy to acknowledge!
Let Hahn keep peddling his wares like he is now! wink
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Interesting after a two years of silence.. Prince had nothing to say on News, Xpectation, Cnote.. and no I can't find anything yet on Musicology in defense of the things that the book finally exposed. I was actually more interested in what Prince's reaction was to Madonna's non-response to the open letter plea he sent to the media. Anyway Prince is better off concentrating on being more productive with his lyrics than trying to say boo about the independent publication that simply is a result of his arrogance in attacking Uptown. Would Per have cooperated with the project had Hahn not defended the magazine?
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Reply #106 posted 05/03/04 1:10pm

SexyBeautifulO
ne

Savannah said:


Interesting after a two years of silence.. Prince had nothing to say on News, Xpectation, Cnote.. and no I can't find anything yet on Musicology in defense of the things that the book finally exposed.



LOL, I'm sorry, but did we read the same book? Please, by all means...enlighten me. What did this book finally expose that Prince needs to defend?
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Reply #107 posted 05/03/04 1:58pm

wavesofbliss

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i enjoyed reading 'possessed' and didn't find it particularly scandlous or provocative. it's not inconsistant with what the other books have said about prince, his work and his world. i always find it nice to have more of the details filled in.

can someone point me to the threads on this subject- i assume it's been well discussed and i'm not clear as to what everyone dislikes/distrusts about what hahn has to say. NEVERMIND-i found them.

other books = purple reign -j.bream
pop life - dave hill
both books - by per nilsson
that piece of schlock by lisa whomever
in addition, i was somewhat "friendly" with ingrid chavez in 90-91 and everything she ever said to me on the subject is fairly represented in the books i've read, at least the ones who care to mention her at all.
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Reply #108 posted 05/05/04 8:07am

LarrytheGOD

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NME said:

TheBluePrince said:

If Prince's 'return' 'comeback' 'resurface' (whatever you wanna call it) was predicted by the author. I believe it would have totally changed the dynamics of the text extensively, even down to the very title of the book. To call it "The Rise and Fall..." surely implies a decline in his career (which has been debated here). Because of Prince's 'commercial' return, it kinda ruins the credibility of the text down to the title of it.

I guess what I'm saying is; Prince is getting the last laugh, all while doing such incredible things in the media nowadays that kinda says "Fuck you!" to all the critics, haters, supposed victims, and bitter ex-associates.

just my couple of cents peace


i completley disagree. every review of musicology CD and tour has mentioned princes absence from the mainstream / decline in popular appeal / albums that came out and the general public didn't give a fuck about. all the interviews are talking about prince 'coming back'. coming back from what..? his ever present popularity with the mainstreambuying public...? err. no...

i think the title alone is going to perfectly piggy back the recent growth in media profile....

When ur down on the bottom.. like Larry said, there's only one way to go and thats up. !
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Reply #109 posted 05/06/04 4:28am

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half way through the book and I can't put it down. what R the new changes to the paperback that are not in the hardcover? The website doesnt explain it clearly
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Reply #110 posted 05/08/04 12:39pm

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john L
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Reply #111 posted 05/08/04 1:12pm

Aerogram

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BinaryJustin said:

Aerogram said:

A most ironic fact emerges : Alex Hahn's a biographer who doesn't expect his subject to grow and change.


Aerogram, Muffin. The book obviously encompasses a specific period of time.


And it also contained very pessimistic predictions regarding Prince's future, not to mention the fact that the expression "Rse and Fall" is generally used to describe a permanent decline. I said Alex Hahn was a biographer who didn't seem to expect his subject to evolve because he could not envision Prince doing what he is doing now with Musicology and because his assessment of Prince's music is fixated on pre-88 standards. I didn't find him to be deeply interested in Prince's personality. Instead, he seemed more interested in explaining why he thinks what he thinks about Prince than in Prince himself and what he might have up his sleeve. There are interesting pages and the criticism is often valid, but it's still a prematurely outdated book and that says tons about its real value as a biography. If Prince amply merts some of the flak he's taking in Possessed, he is also worthy of a much better bio.
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Reply #112 posted 05/08/04 2:00pm

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Aerogram said:

BinaryJustin said:



Aerogram, Muffin. The book obviously encompasses a specific period of time.


And it also contained very pessimistic predictions regarding Prince's future, not to mention the fact that the expression "Rse and Fall" is generally used to describe a permanent decline. I said Alex Hahn was a biographer who didn't seem to expect his subject to evolve because he could not envision Prince doing what he is doing now with Musicology and because his assessment of Prince's music is fixated on pre-88 standards. I didn't find him to be deeply interested in Prince's personality. Instead, he seemed more interested in explaining why he thinks what he thinks about Prince than in Prince himself and what he might have up his sleeve. There are interesting pages and the criticism is often valid, but it's still a prematurely outdated book and that says tons about its real value as a biography. If Prince ampliy mertis some of the flak he's taking in Possessed, he is also worthy of a much better bio.


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Reply #113 posted 05/12/04 3:17pm

Savannah

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

Savannah said:


Interesting after a two years of silence.. Prince had nothing to say on News, Xpectation, Cnote.. and no I can't find anything yet on Musicology in defense of the things that the book finally exposed.



LOL, I'm sorry, but did we read the same book? Please, by all means...enlighten me. What did this book finally expose that Prince needs to defend?


you don't find it surprising 2 years without any lyrics and nothing to say? Even today every media contacts congratulates Princes on his big comeback and he still can't even swallow the reality of it himself. He rose to superstardom and fell.. just like the book points out. What I love about the research done on the book is despite all the legal red tape and confidentiality agreements, so many came forward to build a "reflection" of his unique business practices.

Since Prince moves on to the next project instead of stopping and reflecting on his success and sometimes blunders.. I read page after page of interesting elements that you might have know about.. but I only heard them as rumor until the author stepped forward and put fact into print. Read on. smile Still i'm curious as to what the response was to his open letter to Madonna, and I don't think the book addressed it.
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Reply #114 posted 05/16/04 5:16am

RomeoMustDie

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RomeoMustDie said:

half way through the book and I can't put it down. what R the new changes to the paperback that are not in the hardcover? The website doesnt explain it clearly

Finished it but the end was nothing really new. The interviews could have used a bit more meat in them but it was a lawyer who inked the thing after all. What about the additional stuff on the paperback?
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Reply #115 posted 05/16/04 8:14am

gemini13

ZZZZZzzzzz


This thread is boring.
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Reply #116 posted 05/16/04 4:28pm

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Any book about Prince's rise and fall is trivial. It's in his past and should be left there. You don't need to know if he did drugs, who he slept with, who he fired etc in order to enjoy or dislike the music, all you have to do is listen. Anyway Prince has never said anything about COMEBACK! This is ridiculous! Just because there are people around here who don't like to talk negatively about Prince doesn't mean they are asskissers, it just means they don't like to talk about things they have no first account information on. Some of these so called writers are muthaf*ckin liars and if you don't believe that than I'm sorry for you. Leave all that other bullsh@t in the past and get on with your own business Hahn! The rise and fall that title in itself lets me know you aren't being objective. The title is wrong in suggesting that everyone had assumed Prince had fallen. One more thing I am a member of the NPGMC and proud of it!
There's nothing wrong with showing love and appreciation to Prince. If loving Prince is wrong, I don't want to be right!
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Reply #117 posted 05/16/04 7:32pm

SENSHY

adorable2 said:

Any book about Prince's rise and fall is trivial. It's in his past and should be left there. You don't need to know if he did drugs, who he slept with, who he fired etc in order to enjoy or dislike the music, all you have to do is listen. Anyway Prince has never said anything about COMEBACK! This is ridiculous! Just because there are people around here who don't like to talk negatively about Prince doesn't mean they are asskissers, it just means they don't like to talk about things they have no first account information on. Some of these so called writers are muthaf*ckin liars and if you don't believe that than I'm sorry for you.


clapping

(although Hahn isn't a writer)

Leave all that other bullsh@t in the past and get on with your own business Hahn! The rise and fall that title in itself lets me know you aren't being objective. The title is wrong in suggesting that everyone had assumed Prince had fallen. One more thing I am a member of the NPGMC and proud of it!
There's nothing wrong with showing love and appreciation to Prince. If loving Prince is wrong, I don't want to be right!


clapping


pulp fiction edit
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Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #118 posted 05/18/04 4:22am

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adorable2 said:

Any book about Prince's rise and fall is trivial. It's in his past and should be left there. You don't need to know if he did drugs, who he slept with, who he fired etc in order to enjoy or dislike the music, all you have to do is listen. Anyway Prince has never said anything about COMEBACK! This is ridiculous! Just because there are people around here who don't like to talk negatively about Prince doesn't mean they are asskissers, it just means they don't like to talk about things they have no first account information on. Some of these so called writers are muthaf*ckin liars and if you don't believe that than I'm sorry for you. Leave all that other bullsh@t in the past and get on with your own business Hahn! The rise and fall that title in itself lets me know you aren't being objective. The title is wrong in suggesting that everyone had assumed Prince had fallen. One more thing I am a member of the NPGMC and proud of it!
There's nothing wrong with showing love and appreciation to Prince. If loving Prince is wrong, I don't want to be right!


Everyone in the world is starting to cheer Prince's comeback, ( meaning he wasn't done anything musically with IMPACT in the last several years ) based upon his Grammie show with Beyonce. Whats ridiculous is that to Prince and a handful of blinded followers, they still don't want to accept that Princes sudden comeback into the limelight is something new.

As for the book, Its not negative at all. You all remind me of the religious fanatics that picketed and protested THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST in 88 without ever seeing the film.
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Reply #119 posted 05/18/04 4:28am

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AlexHahn said:

...stuff...


I likes your book, sir. wink
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