Xpertlover said:

he's an ex one
but he's surrounded by a whole bunch of JW's and islams
what a damn mix lol
he doesn't say hes part of them but the only reason he doesn't join is for artistic freedom and not to go to those damn meetings all the time lol that and go door to door!

MrSquiggle said:

He wouldnt be if he didnt have the amazing strong voice..great vocal range and dancing ability...go listen Whos Loving you from Jackson5

MrSquiggle said:

No. The only reason he was allowed in the group was because of his natural talent. The original members of the group were Jackie, Tito, Jermaine and Marlon. Michael only got in the group after he blew everybody away by singing "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" at a school pageant. I think his father just turned him into a workaholic.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 23 6:21:48 2004 by WildStyle]

i still say MJ would of became a vet

WildStyle said:

oh, then, the delusional gotcha...

WildStyle said:

I agree, MJ has a lot of natrual talent, to sing and to dance, but his musical and sognwriting talent isnt in the same league as Princes. MJ did change the face of the music indutry between 79-84, but since then his talent hasn't been evident. His music since then has been inconsistent, quality wise, and so scarce. He's only made 4 albums since Thriller, that is an appauling record for an artist.

CrozzaUK said:

well, the same might be said about Prince. he changed the face of the music industry between 1982-1988, but since then his talent hasn't been as evident. His music since then has been inconsistent, quality wise.


he does keep churning it out, but there are very few grand slams in the last 15 years....

CrozzaUK said:

mj is a perfectionist ive noticed he uses a 4 year grace period before he releases Albums
he compiles so much material that i think he has more material then prince's own vault
but mind u
Prince releases whatever the fawk he wants
crappy or not lol
saand prince has written some crappy songs!
but all artist have i have a whole bunch!

WildStyle said:

I think this shows Prince has no desire to kick a man when he is down. I mean you never hear him say a bad word against R. Kelly either. Seriously though, I could throw Genius entertainer at Micheal any day of the week. Thriller alone proved that point. I just think where he is now is far from Genius it is actually rather stupid. If Mike would make real music again I think it would be awesome but he won't He keeps getting the hottest producers making a 'street' sound that he really isn't familiar with in his soul. Now Quincy Jones on the other hand is a producer of the highest order. He can do jazz. orchestra,etc. This would server Micheal better.
Personally I would love to see a MJ album with production by Prince, D'Angelo, Muze, Sade music team, Lenny Kravitz and Van Hunt. Now take a second and listen to that in your mind. That album would be a shit load better that wack ass Invincible, hell it would even be better than Dangerous (and I liked that one alot actually). I mean I was physically pained by how bad Invincible was. I am also no MJ hater I want to see him do well. But I still say if MJ is a genius the Prince is a Super Genius not so much in sales but in sheer artistry.
Peace

CrozzaUK said:

Bad, Dangerous and HIStory were great. The "new" material on Blood On The Dance Floor was great. Invincible was a little shaky.

I agree that 4(5) albums since 1982 is not a good turnover. On the plus side, there are hundreds of unreleased MJ songs in the vaults.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 23 6:33:51 2004 by WildStyle]

i think it's amazing that michael jackson managed to pull off being unquestionably the biggest pop star of the 1980's, even though he only released TWO albums in that period.

chiltonmusic said:

I think MJ should just produce himself. His best work is the stuff he does all by himself IMO.

I WOULD LOVE IF MJ experimented with sounds like Prince
if MJ did a jazz album
and experimented with sounds etc
but MJ likes POP Music
Prince Doesn't lol

GrayKing said:

82-88? Diamonds and Pearls 92- Multi Platinum three #1 singles. The Symbol album two #1 singles #1 album in the country Multi-Platinum sales. 1995 The Gold Experience #1 singel. 1996 Emancipation Multi Platinum sales. I mean that to me is talent being evident. I am also not mentioning the great musical statements of TRC and NEWS but that is more subjective. I also loved Chrystal Ball which had plenty of evident talent. So I guess I don't agree with your time line. Also since now that Kids are coming of age who Prince has influenced I guess it is fair to say that he is still changing the face of music.
Peace

WildStyle said:

Yes but since he does not have the faith in himself to do a whole album. These guys could help. Also MJ aint a studio fool. Even with these producers his input would be felt. As a matter of fact most people that worked with him in the past say his input is never really given enough credit. Slash and Stevie Stevens come to mind as having said that in interviews.
Peace

chiltonmusic said:

#1 albums and singles is evidence of talent to you?





then again, i don't know what country it is in which those albums were #1's... or even the singles (except for Cream).

but D&P, , even TGE... those aren't things that changed anything in the industry. in fact, they were quite a step back in style for him. Crystal Ball? yeah, there's some great talent evident on there. but most of it is from 1986/1987. he hasn't changed the sound of music since about... oh, Batman.


up until then, he was a revolutionary. and yes, while he has displayed a great deal of talent on (some) subsequent albums, he hasn't changed anything in that time.

chiltonmusic said:

im sorry to strike u down but i gotta!
diamonds and Pearls was a sell out c.D.
Ask Sonny T Tommy B and Tony
The Symbol Album lmfao
The gold xperience Lmfao
emancipation LMFAAAAO
it has nothing to do about sales
its about CONTENT!
The RainBow children and NEWs Was art
those other C.D.s were just fuller C.D.s
yah they were good
but a grand slam?
C'mon now
before Trc the last grandslam He had was Sign O the times
Record slales arent anything
shyt even invincible sold close to 10 million
and that C.D. SUCKED!

Purple Rain was art,1999 was art
for you was art sign o the times was art everything afterwards was drool
Off the wall was art
thriller was art
bad was art
History was partially ART!
everything else is alright
[This message was edited Fri Apr 23 6:43:17 2004 by Luv4oneanotha]

chiltonmusic said:

Bad was the closest he came to doing a whole album by himself (all but 2 songs) and it's his best work IMO. I don't know whether it's an issue of him having faith in himself or not. I really don't know what it is.

GrayKing said:

No I thought the argument was influence and impact by sales. That is the measure in which most people go by. I think Prince just stepping out of the Industry and telling them "Fuck you bye" was just amazing and very influential. Also if you look at most Hip Hop artist they release an album a year before Prince this was almost unheard of. That to me is influence. Also the fight for his master recording. I mean when you think about it Prince has been blazing so many new trials that its a wonder he has had time to write any music.

WildStyle said:

think hes a great producer and knows how to play the instruments
i think mj thinks hes losing his so called throne to these young catz
and he needs these producers so the young kids can dig it
when the Jay Z of u rock my world came out
there was like a huge uproar
everybody loved the fact that mj was interacting with rappers of today
its common tactic artist use
problem is it degraded him from Legend
to an ordinary artist...

Are y'all having yet another MJ discussion?!

WildStyle said:

See I liked BAD as well. I don't really know why he won't just be MJ and this is the album I did. I would love to hear that myself. But this is a man who literally wears his insecurites on his face. Maybe this is one thing he is insecure about. After Invincible I would love to see him just go for it. Also I have to say the man is under terrible strain to outdo himself sales wise every time. I think that is bullshit. When you look at the industry standard. Even a so so selling album for Micheal like Vince os still for many artist thier best seller. So he has a standard that I think puts too much pressure on him IMO.
Peace

Luv4oneanotha said:

Dig I agree.

chiltonmusic said:

goo point breh
i agree with ya
see prince
he doesn't give a fawk if he goes platinum
he just creates his Art
hes confident in himself
Mjis insecure bout everything so it sobvious hes going to be insecure about his music
maybe MJ himself needs a lesson in Musicology
i mean invincible was really pure crap!

chiltonmusic said:

Exactly. Everything he releases get's compared to Thriller sales wise. It's stupidity. NOBODY is ever going to reach those kinds of numbers ever again. When he sold over 20 million and had 5 #1 singles with the Bad album, it was called a flop. When Invincible hit #1 all over the world and sold close to 10 million copies it was called a flop. It's rediculous.

WildStyle said:

chiltonmusic said:

i really don't think they do.




no, i'm sorry. actually Prince in the 80's & 90's was a holdover from a bygone era when artists release 1 (or more) albums a year. that it's being done again with hip hop artists, is indicative more of the cyclical nature of the music more than Prince having some influence on it.




he's blazed no trails in that regard. he may be the loudest one screaming about it, but what has it gotten him? nothing. not ownership of his masters, that's for sure. other artists, like U2, REM, and Metallica successfully negotiated ownership of their masters right around the same time Prince started making a lot of noise about it. THOSE are the trailblazers. they actually accomplished it, by realizing that it was something they had to buy or sacrifice for. Prince on the other hand, was just screaming that he wanted them back, with no mention of paying to get them back. and why WOULD they just hand them over? they paid for them, why would they just give them away?

WildStyle said:

I actually posted that last one wrong. But I honestly think that is what is wrong with the industry today. How in the hell can 20million be a flop by any standards? But that is the industry for you. This is an example of the idustry trying to destroy an artist. Some of this he brought on himself but not all. I am out but we will talk soon
Peace

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chiltonmusic said:

I don't think failure at a goal means that you can't influence outcomes. I also have to say this. Those artist you menitoned are white. Prince is not. We all know that the industry treats the two differently. Hell the fact that all these guys have their master is proof of that. Also Prince did hip alot of young black aritst to own thier masters. That is trailblazing. Prince went to such extremes because they did not heed his wishes.
Peace

its refreshing to see we still do have some intelligent people on this board