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Thread started 03/22/04 2:11pm

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Prince finally mentions 'Jehovah'

Nobody is mentioning Prince's speech last night, where he thanked 'almighty Jehovah'. This is actually the first time he ever used that name. Must mean he is a full fledged Witness now. So much for his taming.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #1 posted 03/22/04 2:23pm

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Welcome to last week. wink
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Reply #2 posted 03/22/04 2:24pm

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I thought the shout-out to Jehovah was cool - it showed his dedication without freakin' everyone out. I think he's beginning to wear his faith a bit more comfortably these days.
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Reply #3 posted 03/22/04 2:30pm

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Luckily, he isn't singing about going 'door to door', the 'theocratic order' and 'she in subjection to the wise one'. And that's what I find most important.
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Reply #4 posted 03/22/04 2:38pm

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antoon said:

Luckily, he isn't singing about going 'door to door', the 'theocratic order' and 'she in subjection to the wise one'. And that's what I find most important.


Don't count your chickens, we haven't heard most of Musicology yet. Not that I am expecting it, but you never know. Mind you, if it contains half of the musicianship displayed on the rainbow children, then it could rapidly head to the top 3 of my favourite albums.
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Reply #5 posted 03/22/04 2:42pm

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Wonder how long Prince can go before a real retirement?
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Reply #6 posted 03/22/04 2:44pm

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Anxiety said:

I thought the shout-out to Jehovah was cool - it showed his dedication without freakin' everyone out. I think he's beginning to wear his faith a bit more comfortably these days.


Right on. If you're gonna thank the Father, why not thank him by name? thumbs up!
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Reply #7 posted 03/22/04 2:45pm

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yes, this does appear to be the first time prince used the name 'Jehovah', which makes you wonder if prince will be droppin all use of the word from his lyrics.
elephants and flowers, etc. will either be dropped from setlists or changed up. confused

but in no way should prince be knocked for this mention of JVHV. It was a very mature, respectable, understandable expression of thank you to the/his Almighty.

there question still remains though over whether the name is not more correctly transliterated as Yahweh.

so be it.

Love life, love Jehovah!, Lovesexy
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Reply #8 posted 03/22/04 2:49pm

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HobbesLeCute said:

Welcome to last week. wink

last year, more like. evillol
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Reply #9 posted 03/22/04 3:08pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

HobbesLeCute said:

Welcome to last week. wink

last year, more like. evillol

Or last week, and last year, and the year before that, and the year before that...

Look, all the people distraught over Prince's choice of faith should think of it this way: Remember at the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade when Indy has to walk on stones spelling out god's name, and if he makes one wrong step, he'll die? Well, if Prince is ever in that situation, there's no way he'll get it wrong!
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Reply #10 posted 03/22/04 3:18pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

Love life, love Jehovah!, Lovesexy


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Reply #11 posted 03/22/04 3:22pm

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in my previous post, i meant to wonder about whether or not prince will be omitting the use of the word 'God' which i accidentally omitted midsentence in that post.
the way i understand it, JW's do not use the word 'God' at all, and so i wondered if prince would drop it altogether from lyrics. even in the midst of the JW and new world translation kick (for lack of a better term), prince still sang 'elephants and flowers' at the last celebration, using the word 'God'.

perhaps for prince, God is Dead, a la nietszche wink
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Reply #12 posted 03/22/04 4:02pm

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Yall need to get out your bibles. Psalms 83:18
"The little 1 will escort u 2 the places within ur mind"
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Reply #13 posted 03/22/04 4:11pm

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Anxiety said:

I thought the shout-out to Jehovah was cool - it showed his dedication without freakin' everyone out. I think he's beginning to wear his faith a bit more comfortably these days.

theres nothing wrong with having religion in your life, its a beautiful thing, the only problem comes in when you 'shove' it down folks throats....i will never look down on anyone for having their "god" in their life...i think its great...
One of the best days of my life... http://prince.org/msg/100/291111


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an artist with no fans is really just a man with a hobby....
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Reply #14 posted 03/22/04 4:12pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

in my previous post, i meant to wonder about whether or not prince will be omitting the use of the word 'God' which i accidentally omitted midsentence in that post.
the way i understand it, JW's do not use the word 'God' at all, and so i wondered if prince would drop it altogether from lyrics. even in the midst of the JW and new world translation kick (for lack of a better term), prince still sang 'elephants and flowers' at the last celebration, using the word 'God'.

perhaps for prince, God is Dead, a la nietszche wink



Yes, of course Jehovah's witnesses use the term God. And as far as his mentioning his faith on his records, or at least hinting at it, generally people who are excited about something "new" like to share it with everyone. What happens generally is that the new found understanding and knowledge of certain Bible truth's give you a "spark" so to speak. It's like a search for gold or a diamond after many years and you FINALLY found your treasure. Now you want to share that treasure with the world! You realize how all of the misunderstandings and confusion about certain doctrine has fooled the majority of people. So you want to "help" them understand too. So the kid just got a symbolic "Jolt cola"! He was energized about freeing mind's. Sorta like Neo from "the Matrix". It just all came out fast and simutaneously as it usually does when people are beginning to learn. Knowledge is great power and refreshing as with the Truth.
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Reply #15 posted 03/22/04 4:14pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

yes, this does appear to be the first time prince used the name 'Jehovah', which makes you wonder if prince will be droppin all use of the word from his lyrics.
elephants and flowers, etc. will either be dropped from setlists or changed up. confused

but in no way should prince be knocked for this mention of JVHV. It was a very mature, respectable, understandable expression of thank you to the/his Almighty.

there question still remains though over whether the name is not more correctly transliterated as Yahweh.

so be it.

Love life, love Jehovah!, Lovesexy


Jackson Browne thanked Buddha~
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Reply #16 posted 03/22/04 6:08pm

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OdysseyMiles said:

Anxiety said:

I thought the shout-out to Jehovah was cool - it showed his dedication without freakin' everyone out. I think he's beginning to wear his faith a bit more comfortably these days.


Right on. If you're gonna thank the Father, why not thank him by name? thumbs up!


God's a man??? eek
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Reply #17 posted 03/22/04 6:46pm

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preciosa863 said:


Jackson Browne thanked Buddha~[/quote]


@ Preciosa,

Yeah, I noticed that too, and someone else also thanked Hare Krishna or something. Notice how on one feels as though...Never mind!!
The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon...dammit!
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Reply #18 posted 03/22/04 9:10pm

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I agree that he can share it, but I'm sure some of his fans would rather not hear it, just like he wouldn't want to listen to a gospel CD by T.D. Jakes, it's just that some can get into it and other's probably don't want to hear the mess.

You also stated that "Knowledge is great power and refreshing as with the Truth." Is that your words or Prince's? Just wondering, because Jehovah's Witnesses always think that they have the "Truth", but that's debatable. I mean, I thought the year 1914 was a marked year and that the generation born at that time would be alive when the end came, but now I understand that that generation is actually an era of time, not an actual generation?

I mean, how could anyone say they have the "Truth", when they keep changing what they believe and sum it up as "New Light".

Doesn't make sense to me, however, if you like it, I love it.

Peace.


jojofran said:

HiinEnkelte said:

in my previous post, i meant to wonder about
whether or not prince will be omitting the use of the word 'God' which i accidentally omitted midsentence in that post.
the way i understand it, JW's do not use the word 'God' at all, and so i wondered if prince would drop it altogether from lyrics. even in the midst of the JW and new world translation kick (for lack of a better term), prince still sang 'elephants and flowers' at the last celebration, using the word 'God'.

perhaps for prince, God is Dead, a la nietszche wink



Yes, of course Jehovah's witnesses use the term God. And as far as his mentioning his faith on his records, or at least hinting at it, generally people who are excited about something "new" like to share it with everyone. What happens generally is that the new found understanding and knowledge of certain Bible truth's give you a "spark" so to speak. It's like a search for gold or a diamond after many years and you FINALLY found your treasure. Now you want to share that treasure with the world! You realize how all of the misunderstandings and confusion about certain doctrine has fooled the majority of people. So you want to "help" them understand too. So the kid just got a symbolic "Jolt cola"! He was energized about freeing mind's. Sorta like Neo from "the Matrix". It just all came out fast and simutaneously as it usually does when people are beginning to learn. Knowledge is great power and refreshing as with the Truth.
Baby, Baby, Baby...what's it going 2 b?
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Reply #19 posted 03/23/04 12:27am

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GeSmi1 said:


You also stated that "Knowledge is great power and refreshing as with the Truth." Is that your words or Prince's? Just wondering, because Jehovah's Witnesses always think that they have the "Truth", but that's debatable. I mean, I thought the year 1914 was a marked year and that the generation born at that time would be alive when the end came, but now I understand that that generation is actually an era of time, not an actual generation?

I mean, how could anyone say they have the "Truth", when they keep changing what they believe and sum it up as "New Light".

Doesn't make sense to me, however, if you like it, I love it.

Peace.



Going off the quote in 2 Peter that 1000 years is as one day to God, yes that could be the case.

Things don't radically change chez JWs, the details merely get smoothed out, from what I can see looking back at history.

In the past there's always been some people who wanted to predict the date of Armageddon. Whereas of course according to scripture, nobody knows the day or the hour except God himself. So that has always been wrong.
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Reply #20 posted 03/23/04 4:27am

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Who ????? J- Lo ?????
I just can't believe all the things people say !
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Reply #21 posted 03/23/04 6:39am

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I don't really care I just thought it was so cute when he was singing "kiss' and he said "you dont have to watch sex and the city to have an attitude" where he used to say dynasty.
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Reply #22 posted 03/23/04 6:45am

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Remember, at the Image Awards he didn't stand up or clap when the gospel singing and award was given out.
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Reply #23 posted 03/23/04 6:51am

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HiinEnkelte said:

in my previous post, i meant to wonder about whether or not prince will be omitting the use of the word 'God' which i accidentally omitted midsentence in that post.
the way i understand it, JW's do not use the word 'God' at all, and so i wondered if prince would drop it altogether from lyrics. even in the midst of the JW and new world translation kick (for lack of a better term), prince still sang 'elephants and flowers' at the last celebration, using the word 'God'.

perhaps for prince, God is Dead, a la nietszche wink


Dontcha remember Larry Graham's "Do you love God?" & getting everybody to sing, "Every day!" etc.

I totally hear what antoon is saying. For me it would be perfick if Prince dropped the words which had a tendency to offend (sexist etc.) but retained the superb music that ran through the Rainbow Children.
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Reply #24 posted 03/23/04 8:04am

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Frog said:
Dontcha remember Larry Graham's "Do you love God?" & getting everybody to sing, "Every day!" etc.



yup, i do remember, now that you mention it. (but did i really wanna remember and have larry's voice boomin in my head like that??!)
but i just thought that JW's had no use for that term, and avoided it, especially since the word was too bound up with pagan deities etymologically, genologically, historically speaking, and was not a word that could sufficiently single out the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, etc...
In other words the word couldn't summon, call upon, or even make proper reference to Jehovah.
so one ought not confer any false power, or special significance to the word 'God'...and create idols

but as you say, Larry says it....

so God is still love and love is still God, girls and boys still love God above.
and i sure am down with that

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HobbesLeCute said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


last year, more like. evillol

Or last week, and last year, and the year before that, and the year before that...

Look, all the people distraught over Prince's choice of faith should think of it this way: Remember at the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade when Indy has to walk on stones spelling out god's name, and if he makes one wrong step, he'll die? Well, if Prince is ever in that situation, there's no way he'll get it wrong!


lol Unless, of course, its actually pronounced "Yaweh", as most Biblical scholars believe (There are no "J" sounds in Hebrew or Aramaic). Jehovah is a very anglo mis-pronunciation of the word. Even many JWs acknowledge this. The same is true for the name Jesus, which is actually a mis-pronunciation of the Aramaic name Y'shua.

There's nothing wrong with this, of course. God knows who you are talking to. Anyhoo, let's just hope that Prince doesn't go into any archaelogical digs looking for the holy grail!
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Reply #26 posted 03/23/04 8:28am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Nobody is mentioning Prince's speech last night, where he thanked 'almighty Jehovah'. This is actually the first time he ever used that name. Must mean he is a full fledged Witness now. So much for his taming.


I thought he mentioned it several times in the discussion groups for TRC at the celebration?
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Reply #27 posted 03/23/04 8:38am

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He has every right to address his personal faith in public, just like a christian would thank "God" or a moslem "Allah". If he truly believes the almighty's name is "Jehovah" then it's pretty obvious he should also use it and not shun away from it.
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Novabreaker said:

He has every right to address his personal faith in public, just like a christian would thank "God" or a moslem "Allah". If he truly believes the almighty's name is "Jehovah" then it's pretty obvious he should also use it and not shun away from it.


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Reply #29 posted 03/23/04 9:37am

Juize

Jesus...in my translation of the old testament it says Jehova and later on changes to God...so what name u give that force that there is...does it matter?

What concerned me is the "Theocratic order" of the TRC..."ain't no room for disagree..." when this stubborn behaviour of view is still on...forget it...to rigid for me. I do respect man no matter what sex or ethinic background.

Peace

Juize
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