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PrintabletheAudience said: Savannah said: Seems to be that everyone thinks that Prince's Guitar is more entertaining than that dead overrated drug addict. 
 You might consider getting the facts before making unsubstantiated statements about one of the most innovative guitarists in ROCK...get under it.
However, everyone's entitled to their opinion...as inaccurate as it may be. Its true what they say "Die early in your prime and your worshiped as a God" Sorry .. I don't bow down to the beehive mentality. Accurate? # of Guitar Masters I've seen on MTVE/VH1/Video last few months: 6 # of Guitar Masters I've heard on the Radio past month: 8 (incl Prince) # of times I've seen old Jimbo on the Radio/MTV/VH1 BIG FAT ZERO 0 Geeh.. I wonder why? Overplayed, overrated, or just plain Old. | |
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ELBOOGY said: Hootchietoad said: First I should say I think Prince is an amazing guitarist, I saw him on the Symbol album tour and he blew me away. I also think Hendrix belongs among the greats and I surely respect his continual influence on the music scene. My question is this. Since Jimi only had a few years of "productivity" so to speak, like it was mentioned earlier, 3 studio albums and alot of touring. How would his career have faired were he still alive today? Would he have stayed relevant, settled into a sound or become a trend follower? I think of other players from his era, (i.e.Clapton, Beck, Page, Iommi, Richards) and they have all had varying levels of success and creativity. I guess my point is twofold. One, I feel that many artists who left early (Hendrix, Stevie Ray, Cobain) sometimes have their legacy overstated...because they never had to deal with having a long career, being tested artistically when they are not on the mainstream radar...Clapton is a great example of this. He was widely popular early on and in the 70's...started to lose some notoriety in the '80's and I'm sure succumbed somewhat to the 80's technology (ie synths and that general 80's sound) as well...kinda dating his 80's work. Then had a resurgence in the 90's. Prince, also, has had a few resurgences in his career, and hopefully will have another. In my opinion, Prince has continued to make relevant music now for nearly 30 years, for the most part on his own terms.Hendrix never had to go through these trials. Nor will Cobain. Yet they are put among the elite for minimal output. Thoughts?
I think prince should definitely be mentioned as 1 of the greats, but not ahead of jimi but definitely ahead of cobain. cobain can't compare to jesse johnson as a guitarist, kc is getting sympathy votes. Jimi and Prince has inspired both black and white and both rock and funk and r&b musicians alike whereas kcobain has influenced who?[This message was edited Mon Mar 22 4:30:20 2004 by Hootchietoad] I would say that cobain has had a massive influence on people picking up guitars,more than Prince,I aint by any stretch of the imagination implying that he's better but loads of kids have started playing guitars because of him. | |
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richierich said: I would say that cobain has had a massive influence on people picking up guitars,more than Prince,I aint by any stretch of the imagination implying that he's better but loads of kids have started playing guitars because of him.
I've heard this phenomenon referred to as the "I can do that" syndrome. This usually happens when pop music has gone in one particular direction for a period of time (instumental virtuosity/a certain look/sound or a combination of the 2) and then you have a public backlash (punk and grunge for example). Some examples of "I can do that." artists: Creedence Clearwater Steve Miller Bob Seger Nirvana These are usually songs with easy to play chords and easy to sing/scream melodies. It would make sense that someone thinking about getting into or starting a band would be attracted to them. For me it was The Doors, The Who and Steppenwolf (Yeah, ancient).
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theAudience said: richierich said: I would say that cobain has had a massive influence on people picking up guitars,more than Prince,I aint by any stretch of the imagination implying that he's better but loads of kids have started playing guitars because of him.
I've heard this phenomenon referred to as the "I can do that" syndrome. This usually happens when pop music has gone in one particular direction for a period of time (instumental virtuosity/a certain look/sound or a combination of the 2) and then you have a public backlash (punk and grunge for example). Some examples of "I can do that." artists: Creedence Clearwater Steve Miller Bob Seger Nirvana These are usually songs with easy to play chords and easy to sing/scream melodies. It would make sense that someone thinking about getting into or starting a band would be attracted to them. For me it was The Doors, The Who and Steppenwolf (Yeah, ancient).
Tribal DisorderYes your right, I suppose it may be a bit much for some kids to aspire to Steve Vai for example ,as soon as they realised that it may be almost imposible to play to the same level they may be put off,but the likes of Nirvana or The White Stripes and your rocking in a few weeks. I suppose the negative side to this is that the level of musicianship lowers and you end up with poor copys of punk style rock . | |
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richierich said: Yes your right, I suppose it may be a bit much for some kids to aspire to Steve Vai for example ,as soon as they realised that it may be almost imposible to play to the same level they may be put off,but the likes of Nirvana or The White Stripes and your rocking in a few weeks. I suppose the negative side to this is that the level of musicianship lowers and you end up with poor copys of punk style rock .
Very true. But this extremes/backlash pattern is cyclic over time. And usually all along the cycle there's some really good artists that emerge. Sometimes you just have to ride the wave. 
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Savannah said: Its true what they say "Die early in your prime and your worshiped as a God" Sorry .. I don't bow down to the beehive mentality. Accurate?
# of Guitar Masters I've seen on MTVE/VH1/Video last few months: 6 # of Guitar Masters I've heard on the Radio past month: 8 (incl Prince) # of times I've seen old Jimbo on the Radio/MTV/VH1 BIG FAT ZERO 0 Geeh.. I wonder why? Overplayed, overrated, or just plain Old. Ah, that's the way you do it, to be considered good you play the guitar on the MTV. You'll have to excuse me as I was unaware of the criteria being used. And specifically which Guitar Masters might these be? Going back to your vaunted VH-1 as a source for guitar greatness, if i'm not mistaken wasn't the first "Guitar Master" featured in their "Classic Albums" series none other than Electric Ladyland by...  ...Jimi Hendrix? 
Hmmm, 'ave they done one on the purple fella yet guvna? In the words of Homey the Clown "I don't think so." I'm willing to bet, using your benchmark sources of greatness Radio/MTV/VH1, the following haven't been heard much either: Trumpet Masters: Miles Davis Saxophone Masters: John Coltrane Drum Masters: Elvin Jones Piano Masters: Oscar Peterson As to your "I don't bow down to the beehive mentality." statement, the fact that Radio/MTV/VH1 are the basis for your current argument is classifying you as a major drone. Look friend, Prince is a good guitarist, but Hendrix was an innovative guitarist. There's a BIG difference. Tribal Disorder"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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theAudience said: Ah, that's the way you do it, to be considered good you play the guitar on the MTV.
You'll have to excuse me as I was unaware of the criteria being used. And specifically which Guitar Masters might these be? Going back to your vaunted VH-1 as a source for guitar greatness, if i'm not mistaken wasn't the first "Guitar Master" featured in their "Classic Albums" series none other than Electric Ladyland by... ...Jimi Hendrix?
Hmmm, 'ave they done one on the purple fella yet guvna? In the words of Homey the Clown "I don't think so." I'm willing to bet, using your benchmark sources of greatness Radio/MTV/VH1, the following haven't been heard much either: Trumpet Masters: Miles Davis Saxophone Masters: John Coltrane Drum Masters: Elvin Jones Piano Masters: Oscar Peterson As to your "I don't bow down to the beehive mentality." statement, the fact that Radio/MTV/VH1 are the basis for your current argument is classifying you as a major drone. Look friend, Prince is a good guitarist, but Hendrix was an innovative guitarist. There's a BIG difference. Hey Joe.. Don't get your panties in a bunch  .. its obvious that Satriani and Hendrix are more innovative guitarists... but its old news. Video/Radio/Whatever... Prince is a more entertaining show where the guitar becomes a living breathing combination.. blending in with the fabric of the showmanship !
Most of the time I hear or see Angus, Vai, Santana, King, Page, Vaughan and Van Halen.. on the dozens of video shows out there and sometimes even Jeff Beck on the radio. Last time I heard Jimi was a live cover a long time ago at a blues club called "Mike's Place" in Tel Aviv. Music is a living breathing, evolving form of entertainment. And Jimi is a dead as a doornail cultural icon. He is a bookmark and a symbol of a time period that is over a done with. His boring hits have been played to death throughout the 70s-80s... its old. Dr Evil said it best... "nothing worse than an aging hipster" | |
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Savannah said: Hey Joe..
Don't get your panties in a bunch .. its obvious that Satriani and Hendrix are more innovative guitarists... but its old news. Video/Radio/Whatever... Prince is a more entertaining show where the guitar becomes a living breathing combination.. blending in with the fabric of the showmanship !
Most of the time I hear or see Angus, Vai, Santana, King, Page, Vaughan and Van Halen.. on the dozens of video shows out there and sometimes even Jeff Beck on the radio. Last time I heard Jimi was a live cover a long time ago at a blues club called "Mike's Place" in Tel Aviv. Music is a living breathing, evolving form of entertainment. And Jimi is a dead as a doornail cultural icon. He is a bookmark and a symbol of a time period that is over a done with. His boring hits have been played to death throughout the 70s-80s... its old. Dr Evil said it best... "nothing worse than an aging hipster" So what happens when Prince dies - will his era be over and done with and we will no longer want to play to death his old hits because it will then be "old" and he'll be dead as a doornail and then look for the next great guitarist to heap praise on? I don't know about you, but I still love listening to Jimi and as much as I love listening to Prince. I love putting on Prince's 1999 and listening to "Lady Cab Driver" and still feeling like its the first time I ever heard it. But then I love throwing on some Monteverdi who's been dead these past 400 years and raving to my friends about him. LQ | |
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LadyQ said: So what happens when Prince dies - will his era be over and done with and we will no longer want to play to death his old hits because it will then be "old" and he'll be dead as a doornail and then look for the next great guitarist to heap praise on?
I don't know about you, but I still love listening to Jimi and as much as I love listening to Prince. I love putting on Prince's 1999 and listening to "Lady Cab Driver" and still feeling like its the first time I ever heard it. But then I love throwing on some Monteverdi who's been dead these past 400 years and raving to my friends about him. LQ LadyQ, you are indeed a scholar. 
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Savannah said: Hey Joe..
Don't get your panties in a bunch .. its obvious that Satriani and Hendrix are more innovative guitarists... but its old news. Video/Radio/Whatever... Prince is a more entertaining show where the guitar becomes a living breathing combination.. blending in with the fabric of the showmanship !
Most of the time I hear or see Angus, Vai, Santana, King, Page, Vaughan and Van Halen.. on the dozens of video shows out there and sometimes even Jeff Beck on the radio. Last time I heard Jimi was a live cover a long time ago at a blues club called "Mike's Place" in Tel Aviv. Music is a living breathing, evolving form of entertainment. And Jimi is a dead as a doornail cultural icon. He is a bookmark and a symbol of a time period that is over a done with. His boring hits have been played to death throughout the 70s-80s... its old. Dr Evil said it best... "nothing worse than an aging hipster" Hey Joe? (cute) 
The subject of the thread was not who was more "entertaining" but PRINCE VS JIMI HENDRIX in terms of a guitar solo. If you want to change the discussion to who's the better entertainer, I would also give Prince the edge. Jimi gave up on that in an attempt to be taken seriously as a musician. Now I don't know what they play in Tel Aviv, but the classic rock station here in Los Angeles certainly gives Hendrix his fair share of airplay. Using some of LadyQ's brilliant logic, let's shut down all classical music stations, after all, that Bach, Beethoven and Brahms music..."it's old" Jean Kerr said it best..."The real menace in dealing with a five-year-old is that in no time at all YOU begin to sound like a five-year-old."
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Jasziah said: Who's more fun to watch and listen to? Jimi really is over-rated. Prince has more guitar tricks up his sleeve than Jimi ever dreamed of having. Seriously.
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EverlastingNow said: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the one that's still alive. The greatest thing Prince has ever done for his fan's is to not die in his prime by something as pathetic as an overdose. As a Prince fan for the last 25 years I'm forever grateful that Prince is still blowing my mind to this very day. Sure there's been name changes, New Power Soul and the Theocratic order, but at the end of the day, I'm just grateful that he's still HERE to frustrate me and loves the MUSIC enough to go to any extreme to make sure it's heard. I love me some Jimi but last night Prince set his guitar on fire without lighter fluid and a match
 Damn am I just like old as dirt or what? Cuz once Prince really started blowing up (I believe it was the Raspberry Beret cover of Rolling Stone) the media compared him to Jimi. Which is wrong because, and Prince laid it out: Prince was more influenced by Santana. Real guitar players know this. But because P is a little light skinned unconventional black man with big hands who is a geetar ripper, that was the comparison. And I can guarantee you: had Jimi not lit the guitar on fire, or electrified the Star Spangled Banner, Prince would have. Pretty sure too that had The Who not destroyed their instruments, Prince would have (glad he didn't cuz I never understood that one!). And y'all really need to check out early 70s funk. Jimi was playing with the Isley Brothers. George Clinton & Parliament/Funkadelic were doing their thing. The Temptations tried to ride the wave with Ball of Confusion (kick ass song, they did a good job). And many soulsters were experimenting with guitars. Do some research will ya? And just realize...it's all about paying it forward so other musicians can build. And some hit the jackpot! I'm in absolute agreement with you re: Prince still being around. I noted that on Monday at the concert. How lucky we are. Cuz I was ready to get tix for Stevie Ray (and he had cleaned up his act by then), he was coming to Hartford CT and his plane crashed! Convergence... Check out Robert Randall & the Family Band! Or as I recently discovered, check out Stevie Wonder's "Maybe Your Baby"! (And I thought Camille only came about because of Sly.) When P says School's in Session, he means it. And he and his band showed it! Sho U Right (That's Barry White in heaven nodding his approval) | |
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RomeoMustDie said: Jasziah said: Who's more fun to watch and listen to? Jimi really is over-rated. Prince has more guitar tricks up his sleeve than Jimi ever dreamed of having. Seriously.
More fun on Bass Guitar too..... Silly rabbit Trix are for kids Prince oughta have more trix, cuz Jimi was opening doors...and he went through lots of changes to get those door open. And if Jimi had made it to 45...that would have been a blessing. Jimi's overrated cuz "popular culture" had lots of trouble believing a brotha could play guitar like that. Just like black folks had a hard time believing that righteous rawk guitar could fit with soul. I'm tellin you: Isley Brothers: Who's That Lady album & Midnight Star album. Funk and slammin' guitar. And always, Sly & EWF. I'm just glad that Prince knows enough about who he is that he doesn't have to address this question like he did 20 years ago. He's carrying on the tradition of incorporating all... | |
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