who is the older gentleman and the over done-up ladies that keep appearing in the movie? first on the steps at Mary's party, then in the congo line and then possibly at the place they have dinner. are they part of Prince's camp or something? sorry if i'm WAYYY late on this one . . . thanks!

Lenae said:

Are you speaking of Steven Berkoff, the guy who played the role of Mary's father

marcdeondotcom said:

I think she's talking about the group of people who 1st appear at Mary's party...you see them again later after Chris stands up Tricky, dunno who the actors are though.

double-edit
[This message was edited Mon Dec 15 13:15:52 PST 2003 by r1ghteousone]
[This message was edited Mon Dec 15 13:23:28 PST 2003 by r1ghteousone]

r1ghteousone said:

okay - i thought maybe they had some significance, the way they kept popping up. thanks . . .

The guy is Victor Spinetti. He had previous film appearances in the Beatles' movies "A Hard Day's Night", "Help!", and "Magical Mystery Tour" back in the 60s, as well as various others. Maybe Prince wanted him in his movie just to try to bring back that campy 60s rock n' roll movie feeling.

His movie roles are listed here: http://movies.go.com/film..._id=195105

As for the other two, who knows? Probably just extras that were needed just so he had some dialogue with someone.

NCC2012 said:

Cool, thanks 4 the info.

Cast:

Prince ... Christopher Tracy
Jerome Benton ... Tricky
Kristin Scott Thomas ... Mary Sharon
Steven Berkoff ... Mr. Sharon
Emmanuelle Sallet ... Katy
Alexandra Stewart ... Mrs. Sharon
Francesca Annis ... Mrs. Wellington
Pamela Ludwig ... Girlfriend
Barbara Stall ... Girlfriend
Karen Geerlings ... Girlfriend
Victor Spinetti ... The Jaded Three #1
Myriam Tadesse ... The Jaded Three #2
Moune De Vivier ... The Jaded Three #3
Amoury Desjardins ... Young Boy at Party
Garance Tosello ... Young Girl at Party
Sylvain Lévignac ... Eddy
Guy Cuevas ... Lou
Patrice Melennec ... Larry
Azouz Saieb ... Mary's Minder
Jean Allaz ... Sharon Butler
Rosette Taubert ... Sharon Maid
John Rico ... Mary's Chauffeur
Veronique Denoyel ... Party People
Lydie Diakhate ... Party People
Patricia Poulain ... Party People
Catherine Allard ... Party People
Nicky South ... Party People
Christine Christen-Giguet ... Party People
Beatrice Berthet ... Party People
Maurice Lenorman ... Maitre d'
Sam Karmann ... Police Inspector
John Cooper ... Mrs. Wellington's Butler
Jobby Valente ... Champagne Lady
Alexa Fioroni ... The Dancer
Lionel Turchi ... Musician
Roger Capello ... Musician
Scott Allen ... Musician
Juan Villalobos ... Musician
Patrick Carocci ... Musician
Richard Gow ... Musician
Daniel Bensadoun ... Musician
Maurice Simon ... Pianist
Jean Marie Julien ... Violinist
Nicolas Monard ... Photographer
Michael Kotzritzki ... Doorman
Claude Coppola ... Uniform Policeman
Monica Quigley ... Bombshell Blonde
Giselle Finazzo ... Voluptuois Blonde
rest of cast listed alphabetically
Patricia Davidson ... Party Guest (uncredited)
Sharmagne Leland-St. John ... Party People (uncredited)

See: http://us.imdb.com/title/...ullcredits

Victor Spinetti has been interviewed more than once about his involvement in the film and was complimentary about Prince.

langebleu said:

So all these people got paid, huh?

Number23 said:

?

The Jaded Three - hummm
thanks a mary sharon billion!!

http://princetext.tripod....mtv85.html

from MTV interview 1985

I: What's the plot, what kind of characters, what kind of music, how many songs, what can we expect?

P: It's a French film. It's a black-and-white French film, and ah, she's in it (girlish giggles can be heard). And her name's Emanuelle.

did P and the character Katy, have a thing in real life?

Lenae said:

Nothing to do with 'Prince's camp' - just three characters in the film script played by actors with no known connection with Prince before or after the film, as far as I am aware.

Lenae said:

'Under the Riviera Moon' by Sophie Bramly and Paul Rambali

Excerpts from an article in The Face (#74) June 1986


Emmanuelle Sallet had been working as a model in New York when her boyfriend told her about Prince's new movie. Bored with the city and having made little headway in her career, she was about to return to her native France. He had heard about the film that day on MTV. Why not try for it.

She thought, Quoi? I'm French! I don't even speak English well enough. What is he going to need a French model for? But her boyfriend urged her on, and she finally called MTV.

All they knew was that Prince had a script. It was the umpteenth call that week. She was given the number of Howard Bloom Associates, Prince's New York-based publicists. Except that someone like Prince doesn't normally court publicity. Don't call us, they said. There's nothing happening.

Back in France she wrote a letter to steve Fargnoli, Prince's manager and informal creative secretary. She enclosed a picture of herself without make-up and thought no more of it. It had been a mild gamble costing a small stake of enthusiasm.

Two months later, early in June '85, she found a message on her answerphone from Fargnoli: CALL BACK!

"I'm coming to Paris this weekend and I want to meet you," said fargnoli.

It was Friday. She caught a plane back from a job in the provinces to have dinner that evening with them. Fargnoli said he liked the letter she had written he talked about everything except a new movie. Prince didn't say much at all.

"What do you think of marriage?" he asked.

She shrugged and said she wasn't ready herself. She wondered why Prince had asked her.

"I almost got married," he told her, "And now I wonder if I did the right thing ..."

Prince lapsed into thoughtful silence.

Afterwards they were dancing at Apocalypse: Fargnoli, Prince, his bodyguard Gilbert and his driver. Early that morning Emmanuelle returned to the provinces. She had barely spoken to Prince. Her friends wanted to know what he was like,

"I tried to make conversation, but because he doesn't talk very much, it's difficult," she told them afterwards. "I don't want to appear foolish by saying I like your records. That was what I wanted to tell him. I wanted to talk to him like any other guy. He replied in the same casual way and it wasn't very interesting, except to prove he was normal."

It had been an enjoyable evening, but she was puzzled and disappointed that no-one had said anything about the film, not even the title.

Two months later she was invited for dinner again. This time there were more people there, including Mary Lambert, who had directed videos for Madonna. "We're going to give you a part," said Fargnoli. Butt we don't know which one yet."

A few weeks later she heard that she would be playing Katie, a concierge in the block where Prince lives: the second female lead in Under The Cherry Moon.

...

At his rented home in Nice where, in tennis clothes and sneakers he taught her to play drums for her part in the film, Emmanuelle found Prince less of an enigma.

"He's very patient and very understanding. Once you gain his confidence, he's very talkative and gives everything away. But he has to be sure first that he can trust you. I never saw any of the tantrums or star turns that people talked about. The Prince I saw was very gracious: getting his car for me when i was cold, explaining scenes for me when I was nervous about ... I had done rehearsals with Mary Lambert but in the end it made no difference because Prince was deciding everything. He gave me a lot of confidence by explaining what he wanted with incredible precision.

"There's a level of his personality that I never read about in the press. Those stories about him allowing Christians on the set were never true. It's true that he says Grace before his evening meal. That was neat! But at home, not in restaurants. I wanted to laugh at first. I thought it odd in a rock and roll star. Then I was touched."

...

Shooting finished on Under The Cherry Moon at the end of November. For Kristen Scott-Thomas and Emmanuelle Sallet, this adventure was over. Prince had left saying only a vague goodbye, as though he expected to see them again the next day. In a way. Emanuelle wasn't surprised. She had become used to the manner in which he would concentrate on whatever he was doing.

With nothing much to do herself, she decided to drop by the Studio de la Victorine where, with a huge crew that had arrived from the US, prince was shooting videos for his new album, "Parade".

From the soundstage, he saw her despondent look and told her, "Hurry up and put a dress on."

She donned a long black evening dresss and a coat trimmed with fox fur. As the cameras rolled and Prince and the Revolution played, she danced with the other dancers. Then she pushed them away, took off her fur coat and danced alone.

It was a good way to end a modern fairytale.


---

That's about as much as has been written about her encounter with Prince, as far as I am aware.

Stephen Berkoff was last seen in a BBC choice commercial in the UK.
i think he was also in Clockwork Orange
and The Krays.

"At his rented home in Nice where, in tennis clothes and sneakers he taught her to play drums for her part in the film, Emmanuelle found Prince less of an enigma."



huh - i don't remember her playing the drums - only Mary at her party . . .

thanks for the article!!

Lenae said:

She didn't play drums.

Mary played the drums as you state.

Emmanuelle simply recounts in the interview that at some stage Prince taught her to play drums for the film. Either, Scott-Thomas ended up doing that for the film, or there was other footage shot but not included in the edit.

BTW, I can't recall what the reference to reports about Christians being on the set is all about. It could well be some tabloid rumour started based on gossip or half-truth, when the press were desperate to print any story because interviews with Prince were so rare.

muirdo said:

Yep - his IMDB filmography:

Acting roles - filmography

Brides (2004) (post-production) ... Karaboulat
Headrush (2004) (completed) ... The Uncle
Charlie (2003) ... Charlie Richardson Snr
"Children of Dune" (2003) (mini) TV Series ... Stilgar
... aka "Frank Herbert's Children of Dune" (2003) (mini) (USA: complete title)
Nine Dead Gay Guys (2003) ... Jeff
Bokshu the Myth (2002)
"NCS Manhunt" (2002) TV Series ... George Rolf
Riders (2002) ... Surtayne
... aka Steal (2002) (Canada: working title English title) (Europe: DVD title English title) (France: working title)
... aka Team Riders (2002) (France: poster title)
Hans Christian Andersen: My Life as a Fairy Tale (2001) (TV) ... Meisling
Beginner's Luck (2001) ... Magic Bob
"Attila" (2001) (mini) TV Series ... King Rua
... aka "Attila the Hun" (2001) (mini) (UK: video title)
"In the Beginning" (2000) (mini) TV Series ... Potiphar
Rancid Aluminium (2000) ... Mr Kant
Legionnaire (1998) ... Steinkampf
Doppelganger (1997) (voice) ... Backhander, Reggie
Love in Paris (1997) ... Vittorio
... aka 9 1/2 Weeks II (1997)
... aka Another 9 1/2 Weeks (1997) (video title)
... aka Another Nine & a Half Weeks (1997) (USA)
... aka Love in Paris (1997) (France)
Flynn (1996) ... Klaus Reicher
Fair Game (1995) ... Col. Ilya Kazak
Decadence (1994/I) ... Steve/Les/Helen's Couturier
Bowie: The Video Collection (1993) (V) (archive footage) ... Clip from 'Absolute Beginners'
Intruders (1992) (TV) ... Addison Leach
Tell-Tale Heart, The (1991) (TV) ... The Man
Season of Giants, A (1991) (TV) ... Savonarola
... aka Michelangelo: The Last Giant (1991) (TV)
"Silent Night" (1990) TV Series ... Harry
Krays, The (1990) ... George Cornell
... aka Kray Brothers, The (1990) (Scotland: English title)
... aka Kray Twins, The (1990) (Europe: English title)
"War and Remembrance" (1988) (mini) TV Series ... Adolf Hitler
Prisoner of Rio (1988) ... Jack McFarland
... aka Wiezien Rio (1988) (Poland)
Metamorphosis (1987/II) (TV) ... Mr. Samsa
"Sins" (1986) (mini) TV Series ... Karl Von Eiderfeld
Under the Cherry Moon (1986) ... Mr. Sharon
Absolute Beginners (1986) ... The Fanatic
Revolution (1985) ... Sgt. Jones
Underworld (1985) ... Motherskille
... aka Transmutations (1985)
Rambo: First Blood Part II (1985) ... Lt. Col. Podovsky
Beverly Hills Cop (1984) ... Victor Maitland
Octopussy (1983) ... Orlov
... aka Ian Fleming's Octopussy (1983) (UK: complete title)
Coming Out of the Ice (1982) (TV) ... Atoman
Outland (1981) ... Sagan
Beloved Enemy (1981) (TV) ... Koslov
McVicar (1980) ... Ronnie Harrison
Barry Lyndon (1975) ... Lord Ludd
Professione: reporter (1975) ... Stephen
... aka Passenger, The (1975)
... aka Profession: reporter (1975)
... aka Reportero, El (1975) (Spain)
Clockwork Orange, A (1971) ... Det. Const. Tom
... aka Stanley Kubrick's Clockwork Orange (1971) (USA: poster title)
Nicholas and Alexandra (1971) ... Pankraztov
Vendetta for the Saint (1969) ... Bertoli
Prehistoric Women (1967) ... John
... aka Slave Girls (1967)
Hamlet (1964/III) (TV) ... Lucianus
... aka Hamlet at Elsinore (1964) (TV)
Devil's Disciple, The (1959) (uncredited) ... British Corporal
Captain's Table, The (1959) (uncredited)
... aka Shenanigans (1959)
I Was Monty's Double (1958) (uncredited) ... Extra
... aka Hell, Heaven or Hoboken (1958)
Sheriff of Fractured Jaw, The (1958) (uncredited) ... Extra


As writer - filmography

Shakespeare's Villains (2002) (TV)
Decadence (1994/I) (also play)
Tell-Tale Heart, The (1991) (TV)
Greek (1990) (play Greek)
Metamorphosis (1987/II) (TV)


As director - filmography

Decadence (1994/I)


As himself: filmography

Broken Morning (2003) (TV)
Shakespeare's Villains (2002) (TV) ... Richard 111, Shylock, Macbeth
"Changing Stages" (2001) (mini) TV Series ... Himself
Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures (2001) ... Himself
Inside 'Octopussy' (2000) (V) ... Himself


Notable TV Guest Appearances

"Wright Stuff, The" (2000) playing "Guest Panelist" 3 November 2003
"Seven Wonders of the Industrial World" (2003) playing "John Roebling" in episode: "The Brooklyn Bridge" (episode # 1.2) 11 September 2003
"Jonathan Creek" (1997) playing "Herman Grole" in episode: "Satan's Chimney" (episode # 3.7) 26 December 2001
"Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased)" (2000) playing "The Mouth" in episode: "Mental Apparition Disorder" (episode # 1.2) 25 March 2000
"Nikita" (1997) playing "Charles Sand/Carlo Giraldi" in episode: "In Between" (episode # 2.20) 16 August 1998
"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" (1993) playing "Hagath" in episode: "Business as Usual" (episode # 5.18) 7 April 1997
"Brass Eye" (1997) playing "Himself" in episode: "Science" (episode # 1.3) 12 February 1997
"Space Precinct" (1994) playing "Dr. Paul Jorry" in episode: "Deadline" (episode # 1.7) 14 November 1994
"Professionals, The" (1977) playing "Krasnov" in episode: "A Man Called Quinn" (episode # 5.10) 30 January 1983
"UFO" (1970) playing "Capt. Steve Minto" in episode: "Destruction" (episode # 1.9) 2 December 1970
"UFO" (1970) playing "Capt. Steve Minto" in episode: "The Cat with Ten Lives" (episode # 1.3) 30 September 1970
"Saint, The" (1962) playing "Carl" in episode: "The Man Who Gambled with Life" (episode # 6.18) 26 January 1969
"Champions, The" (1968) playing "Carlos" in episode: "The Iron Man" (episode # 1.9) 20 November 1968
"Avengers, The" (1961) playing "Sager" in episode: "The Gravediggers" (episode # 4.2) 9 October 1965