He's done things liek be emoitonal in Purple rain and G Bridge..written songs like If I Was Your Girlfriend. Been tender with Sweet Baby etc...so why is it when males show excitement or emotion to him he clowns it..like when at concerts he clowns males who are a bit over by sayin "dont be screamin for me etc..let the women do it". I know many males who are just given props to him, but why's he allowed to be tender and allow his felings show and get props for it but other males cant. He cant handle it coming at him? I think thats unfair. Im not saying he has to accept them blowein kisses but the expression of gratitude and emotion because males appreciate him and his music shouldnt be clowned I dont think.

I ain't gonna touch this one.

stymie said:

why not?

rdhull said:

If I start to touch on Prince's hypocrisy, we might be here all night.

Prince does not like other men unless they are father figures.

stymie said:

ah

Anxiety said:

ah again..but why is he uncomfortable with men showing emotion when he does it all the time thorugh his works etc. It sems like he would clown someone for doing the things he has done etc.

rdhull said:

Because men do not have vaginas. Not like women do, anyway.

Anxiety said:

well what if he recieved that same thinkining when he wrote those things? Im sure he wouldnt care but still.

It seems strange that an effeminate man wouldn't understand what got him the chicks would also get him the guys. I understand that Prince is straight, so why wouldn't he just ignore the guys that want to sing to him?

Anxiety said:

lol pmsl lol i cant get over it lol

stymie said:

Im sayng , cant he say..ahh ..yall are being vulnerable, tender, emotive...I can understand that.

The vulnerable songs are for the women in his perspective. I'm sure he doesn't mind men appreciating it but he doesn't seem to want male reciprocation. I can relate to that as I'm sure many of us can. There's nothing wrong with that.

whodknee said:

Yeah but he could be clowned for IIWYGF then...like u dont hear folks saying hahaha you wanna help her pick out clothes before u go out..what a pussy..go drink a beer foo! So just because males are appreciative of his music and him doesnt mean that they wanna GET WITH HIM. I aint said that..I said why clown when they are expressive and emotive..givin dap so to speak. Why continue to perpetuate that males cant be cool with each other thing and continue to stigmatize us that keps some form expresing other emotions other than so called socially acceptable stereotypical ones that cause males to fear showing a a natural human emotion other than stoicism: that in turn causes many males ot act agressively and violently for not being able to be other than thatr since society wont allow that..they only allow the Tough Guise. Prince of all people should be accepting.

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[This message was edited Mon Dec 8 12:18:22 PST 2003 by rdhull]

in london last year at the hammersmith apollo he stopped during the acoustic set b,cos a guy shouted out "p i love u", p replied dont b shouting u love me ur voice is 2 deep 4 that !!! he then said something bout men lovin him... he did'nt like it.he was kinda laughing wen he said it ? who kno's he may hav jus been jokin !

whodknee said:

He continues to this very day to blur the lines between male and female, so he should understand where the need/want to reciprocate is coming from.

danielboon said:

Thats it! Thats part of the background I read about and why I posted this. Some also have said he was sort of tripping when meeting some zealous and not so zealous male fans...but why cant a fella say I love u from the audience? etc? He doesnt want male love at all? Is that the case? Thats a trip and a half...I mean dresing lie he did in Lovesexy tour book etc and all. Not saying he has to wanted sexual love from males because of that but thats some nerve to be all that you've been and done in the past and gonna deny love-dap from the male perspective.
[This message was edited Mon Dec 8 12:25:24 PST 2003 by rdhull]

maybe he's insecure about affection from men - can't a man be insecure anymore?

I think it plays a role in how big of a fuckin hypocryte his is towards everyone..


And dont let that warner shit fool u.. no'one did him wrong. he knew what he was signing..

Anxiety said:

Not a man who wrote IIWYG, "when he was there, sleepin in betwen the two of us"-When U Were Mine, wore what he wore on Lovexy tour book and the Lovesexy cover etc...

good question! sorta makes me wonder if it'd be any different if he were female and were gettin the same sorta attention from other women...i don't think there's a problem with other guys sayin they love 'im and if he's reactin in a manner like "ew!" or what-not, ol' boy really needs to take a look:

a) in the mirror.

b) at his back catalogue.

I think it's partly because he's just goood at being full of shit.he knows what will get him laid.I also think it's because he truly is in touch with tenderness and emotional honesty.But every man worth his weight is full of contradictions.I understand the opening your heart part and then acting all cool afterwards.A man can be brave and a wimp all at the same time.No man is truly 'all true man" like Alexander o'Neal sang. I def understand this.I may not be articulating asw ell as I'd like ,but I do understand this.

Most men are taught to front and show toughness always.Well,the fact is that we aren't tough alwys.Hell,some of us are tough NEVER.Yet,we will stand on the wall, in a club,and give these hard ass screwface looks like we just finished murdering 15 men with our bare hands and ,yet,ol' screwface is scared to ask a girl to dance and afraid that the guy he's staring at will call his bluff and whoop his ass in front of everyone.

Prince is honest more than most in song.On stage,he's all braggadocio and wanna- be pimp.It's like he;'s too cool even for his own songs.He sorta' does an out-of-body dance with the whole thing.But those songs keep him alive just as much as we love them.


I saw something funny:This guy I know has never had a girlfriend in his life until 2 weeks ago.He was stressing over this and wanted a girl so bad.he is in his early 20's.Well,he finally has a girlfriend and she's all of 17.Well,dude was finding all these ways to add to conversations that he has a girlfriend.We could be talking about cream chesse and he'd be like,"I really enjoy the creaminess of cream cheese.By the way,did I mention that I have a girlfriend?Yeah,we're gonna not buy cream cheese when we go to the grocery store.It's a thing we do because we are dating!!"

Now,he walks with a strut and his chest is all poked out.Imagine a music and video game geek walking with a strut!!LOL.And so,I saw him yesterday and we were talking about college football and he's acting all like he's the master of men and is the strokemaster in bed.I love him to death,but it's hilarious!

This guys acts like I don't know who he is.He fronts in conversations now like he has TOTALLY figured women out!!LOL!ALl on the strength of a 17 year old girlfriend!!And,yet,behind his armor,he is a scared little boy.

Men front.Simple.

rockwilder said:

and Prince should stop frontin then...because we know he is tender or can be at least

lub me tender edit
[This message was edited Mon Dec 8 16:28:26 PST 2003 by rdhull]

rdhull said:

rockwilder said:

i don't think prince is being

hypocritical in not wanting

males 2 respond quite as enthusiastically

2 him as females do


he's turned over a new leaf

where he may have seemed flamboyant

in the past, he now has toned down

his image and is trying 2 honor

God's wishes 4 men 2 be men

and women 2 be women


i don't think prince means any

disrespect 2 his male fans

sumtymes said:

What the hell does this have to do with the question?!?!

I have no idea what Prince's deal with this is.

Maybe he's just a paranoid hypocrite?

I dunno.. I think we're all hypocrites from time to time, based on the fact we're all given the choice of changing our minds (especially at the last minute).

Doesn't mean we don't have integrity, just means we're not always right... or always wrong (for that matter).

Perhaps, this may be the case with our friend.

Rdhull- to answer your question:

I believe ALL males are vulnerable. Of course, some of which like to dress it & camoflage the real.

Perhaps, the real question is who's gonna step up and say what others may be feeling without doubting whether or not they look un/cool doing it?

Prince had/has a story. Truthfully, I don't believe he was at complete liberty in divulging all the details, allowing people to come to their own conclusions.

You know. During the 80's, everyone just "was".. you didn't need a label and there was enough space & respect NOT to ask. It was a different time for artists. People aren't satified with innuendos & hints anymore.They crave direction.

The next person [for this generation] will almost be FORCED into exposing true vulnerability. Most of us are getting tired of fairy tales & half the truth.




((blah blah blah..)) I know. Sorry.
[This message was edited Tue Dec 9 1:25:58 PST 2003 by room319]

Prince is a pimp, plain and simple.