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PrintableYes,he is.We won't really know what could have been possible,though because of the was record companies are run now.For a very brief moment,way back wehen,I thought D'Angelo would take the torch from prince,but his hands are too small to hold it.
R kelly disgusts me and he is also NOT great.Lenny is bad,but he isn't GREAT.Ben Harper is the man,but he is too underground and doesn't have all those aspirations to be the cock of the walk like Prince had.And that's some of what seperates,to me.Like there will never be another Jordan;a player would have to be limitlessly talented,limitlessly confident,very bright,very ambitious,articulate,be a strong leader and expect perfection,and ,really,in a lot of ways,be an ass. I don't see anybody for the torch to be passed to.The Police passed their torch on to u2.Really,hell,who will u2 pass their torch on to?The dilemma is exposed in both white and black rock and funk.Maybe even in hip hop.Who will Jay z pass it on too?Em is tight,but has he maybe shot his wad?(for lack of a better phrase).Outkast is not a traditional hip hop group and I think A Tribe Called quest was the last great traditional hip hop group.I think we may have seen all there is.Anybody following outkast,I think,will be a gimmick cash-in. Record company execs are vampires.Well,soon it will be like the creatures in Pitch Black and they will start attacking themselves and feeding on each other.Then,maybe we will have great artists again. I know there are som ereally cool artists out there,but none ,yet,that I see as being ultimately "great".We shall see. "I'm a pig..so,magic elixir I swill" | |
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rockwilder said: Yes,he is.We won't really know what could have been possible,though because of the was record companies are run now.For a very brief moment,way back wehen,I thought D'Angelo would take the torch from prince,but his hands are too small to hold it.
R kelly disgusts me and he is also NOT great.Lenny is bad,but he isn't GREAT.Ben Harper is the man,but he is too underground and doesn't have all those aspirations to be the cock of the walk like Prince had.And that's some of what seperates,to me.Like there will never be another Jordan;a player would have to be limitlessly talented,limitlessly confident,very bright,very ambitious,articulate,be a strong leader and expect perfection,and ,really,in a lot of ways,be an ass. I don't see anybody for the torch to be passed to.The Police passed their torch on to u2.Really,hell,who will u2 pass their torch on to?The dilemma is exposed in both white and black rock and funk.Maybe even in hip hop.Who will Jay z pass it on too?Em is tight,but has he maybe shot his wad?(for lack of a better phrase).Outkast is not a traditional hip hop group and I think A Tribe Called quest was the last great traditional hip hop group.I think we may have seen all there is.Anybody following outkast,I think,will be a gimmick cash-in. Record company execs are vampires.Well,soon it will be like the creatures in Pitch Black and they will start attacking themselves and feeding on each other.Then,maybe we will have great artists again. I know there are som ereally cool artists out there,but none ,yet,that I see as being ultimately "great".We shall see. I like this and yes..I think like in PB they will smash into each other and feed o themselves It needs to be destroyed from someone to stand up amidst the wreckage like a phoenix rising "Climb in my fur." | |
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I would have to agree,Prince is probably the last great black musician.Let's take a look at some of the other black musicians that came after him...
Babyface Tony Rich D'Angelo Terence Trent D'Arby Teddy Riley Rafael Saadiq Alicia Keyes Wyclef Most of these artists are good,but none of them can compare to Prince and his music. | |
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No again!
The Isley Brothers are selling millions of records have been for 5 decades. Twist and Shout the Beatles covered an Isley tune. Have you forgotten their lp went No. 1 pop this year. Ernie Isley is a bad ass guitarist. So many others too, Prince is great in his own right but he's not alone. | |
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Thumparello said: Ernie Isley is a bad ass guitarist.
Ernie Isley sounds like a bee in a tin
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Thumparello said: No again!
The Isley Brothers are selling millions of records have been for 5 decades. Twist and Shout the Beatles covered an Isley tune. Have you forgotten their lp went No. 1 pop this year. Ernie Isley is a bad ass guitarist. So many others too, Prince is great in his own right but he's not alone. Don´t get me wrong, I like the Isley Brothers but where would they be today if it wasn´t for R.Kelly...sad but true.And I think none of the artists mentioned above even comes close to Prince when it comes to sheer talent and showmanship...and I´ve seen a lot of artists live in concert...Prince is not part of a dying breed because there simply is no breed, no category for him ...he´s probably the most unique musician on this planet. Last black icon ?? Definitely...that and much more, even with all the controversy surrounding him ( i.e Larry, Jehovah, weak albums, you name it) he is still great. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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giotto said: Thumparello said: Ernie Isley is a bad ass guitarist.
Ernie Isley sounds like a bee in a tin
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laurarichardson said: july said: rdhull said: july said: Reply to 'Is Prince the last great black musician? All of the ICONS are gone'
Is Prince the last great musician? black musician? A musician is a musician whatever the race. No need to classify anybody anything other than human. Especially when it comes to music. Prince played all types of music anyways and always expressing his own personality through it. That hardly accounts for a whole race of musicians. No, He is not the last of anything. He was and is a human being. Who's personal expression and bravery made him a legend in his own time. One man on earth giving his art life. His race is never mattered. His talent does. And to all the people around the world black, white, brown all that matters is the emotion he puts forth as a human musician. Mutherfuckin..god dam it july--do u ever bother to read or comprehend--I mean damn! Did u read where I said I didnt make that orignal inquiry and I said "I wont get into color" etc meaning "and I wont even speak on that " meaning I think thats kind of not important to the main point?..my addition was the icon part and the rest..not the color part. This is exactly what Im talking about why writng things can be difficult as well as dangerous...but when u specifically write something straight forward one would think that folks would get it... Well, you did get into color, look at the title of the thread. I thought you were not going to push the race issue. As you did say in the General Discussion forum that it always turns into a race war. Anyway, not to start a debate. It's my opinion that it is wrong to classify a musician by race. All people play so called Funk and Soul and all people can play so called Rock and Roll. Music is music. Music crosses color lines. Prince is a musician first and foremost. He has multiracial band members to negate all the connotations that come with race. To Prince, people are people, Music is music. Why stamp a racial title on a multi styled musician. Is Renato the white keyboard player and John the black drummer? To answer my own question. No, they are both part of the band. Well, to me anyway. Again not to start a debate. It's just my personal opinion. Peace out!  --- Dude, we all know that music is music but in the world of black popular music Prince is the last musician. We are not talking about Rock N Roll, Blues, or Jazz. If you look at black popular music he was the last actual musician. He is not the last of anything. Well, I take that back, Prince is the last of something. Prince is the last of himself. Because Prince is a one of a kind musician, performer and individual. He made his way as an original. There won't be another like him. When he goes it goes, whatever it is that makes Prince, Prince. It goes with him.  | |
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DavidEye said: I would have to agree,Prince is probably the last great black musician.Let's take a look at some of the other black musicians that came after him...
Babyface Tony Rich D'Angelo Terence Trent D'Arby Teddy Riley Rafael Saadiq Alicia Keyes Wyclef Most of these artists are good,but none of them can compare to Prince and his music. Yeah I'd make Prince the most recent legendary great but D'Angelo and a few others are great also. | |
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This is a tough one to tackle, RD.
The world is a HUGE place. As sheer talent goes, probability alone must suggest there's many more unsung artists out there with the skill, vision and tenacity of Prince. He's special, but he ain't the last of some dying super race or something (despite what TTD might conjecture). As far as someone who could rise to icon status, though, I'm a bit more inclined to say Prince is among the last, for better or worse. But part of this might be due to our own collective hypocrisy... As much as we lovers of "real music"/haters of "commercialism" like to sit around in a sort of high-culture circle jerk, we should acknowledge that as blessed as Prince is, he might this very night be fat, anonymous and playing some filthy unnamed Minneapolis dive if it weren't for the starmaker machine we've turned against over the past decade or so. Like our food, the trend now is to prefer our entertainers more "organic" and less "manufactured" and "packaged." But as noble as that seems, it's a double-edged sword. Name me a single American entertainment icon who hasn't risen in largest part due to his/her commercial backing. Prince is a bad muhfuh, but his is a household name primarily because he was SOLD to us... just like Britney, Justin and  Vanilla Ice.
We're losing our icons not because talent is waning, but because we don't want them anymore. [This message was edited Tue Dec 2 21:26:01 PST 2003 by Lammastide] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Another thing that's hindering new players from reaching icon status is our obsession with labeling EVERYTHING.
We no longer have plain-old good music, we have sub-genres of sub-genres of genres. Idiocy like "neo soul," "jungle," "trip hop," "acid jazz," etc. WTF?! How could anyone hope to enjoy a massive cross-cultural appeal these days with such divisiveness in music? It's sick. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: This is a tough one to tackle, RD.
The world is a HUGE place. As sheer talent goes, probability alone must suggest there's many more unsung artists out there with the skill, vision and tenacity of Prince. He's special, but he ain't the last of some dying super race or something (despite what TTD might conjecture). As far as someone who could rise to icon status, though, I'm a bit more inclined to say Prince is among the last, for better or worse. But part of this might be due to our own collective hypocrisy... As much as we lovers of "real music"/haters of "commercialism" like to sit around in a sort of high-culture circle jerk, we should acknowledge that as blessed as Prince is, he might this very night be fat, anonymous and playing some filthy unnamed Minneapolis dive if it weren't for the starmaker machine we've turned against over the past decade or so. Like our food, the trend now is to prefer our entertainers more "organic" and less "manufactured" and "packaged." But as noble as that seems, it's a double-edged sword. Name me a single American entertainment icon who hasn't risen in largest part due to his/her commercial backing. Prince is a bad muhfuh, but his is a household name primarily because he was SOLD to us... just like Britney, Justin and Vanilla Ice.
We're losing our icons not because talent is waning, but because we don't want them anymore. [This message was edited Tue Dec 2 21:26:01 PST 2003 by Lammastide] Dont get me wrong, I know he was packaged to us..allowing him to reach that icon pinacle status...but even the ones they are packagaing to us or to the younger ones do not have that iconic flair in my opinion..not just Prince. But say..Britnay aint got shit on Madonna etc. Jay-z aint got shit on Run DMC or LL etc... "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: Lammastide said: This is a tough one to tackle, RD.
The world is a HUGE place. As sheer talent goes, probability alone must suggest there's many more unsung artists out there with the skill, vision and tenacity of Prince. He's special, but he ain't the last of some dying super race or something (despite what TTD might conjecture). As far as someone who could rise to icon status, though, I'm a bit more inclined to say Prince is among the last, for better or worse. But part of this might be due to our own collective hypocrisy... As much as we lovers of "real music"/haters of "commercialism" like to sit around in a sort of high-culture circle jerk, we should acknowledge that as blessed as Prince is, he might this very night be fat, anonymous and playing some filthy unnamed Minneapolis dive if it weren't for the starmaker machine we've turned against over the past decade or so. Like our food, the trend now is to prefer our entertainers more "organic" and less "manufactured" and "packaged." But as noble as that seems, it's a double-edged sword. Name me a single American entertainment icon who hasn't risen in largest part due to his/her commercial backing. Prince is a bad muhfuh, but his is a household name primarily because he was SOLD to us... just like Britney, Justin and Vanilla Ice.
We're losing our icons not because talent is waning, but because we don't want them anymore. [This message was edited Tue Dec 2 21:26:01 PST 2003 by Lammastide] Dont get me wrong, I know he was packaged to us..allowing him to reach that icon pinacle status...but even the ones they are packagaing to us or to the younger ones do not have that iconic flair in my opinion..not just Prince. But say..Britnay aint got shit on Madonna etc. Jay-z aint got shit on Run DMC or LL etc... I feel ya. But part of this might be a function of our age. My father went to the grave swearing Prince wasn't sh*t compared to Little Richard and James Brown, for example. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: rdhull said: Lammastide said: This is a tough one to tackle, RD.
The world is a HUGE place. As sheer talent goes, probability alone must suggest there's many more unsung artists out there with the skill, vision and tenacity of Prince. He's special, but he ain't the last of some dying super race or something (despite what TTD might conjecture). As far as someone who could rise to icon status, though, I'm a bit more inclined to say Prince is among the last, for better or worse. But part of this might be due to our own collective hypocrisy... As much as we lovers of "real music"/haters of "commercialism" like to sit around in a sort of high-culture circle jerk, we should acknowledge that as blessed as Prince is, he might this very night be fat, anonymous and playing some filthy unnamed Minneapolis dive if it weren't for the starmaker machine we've turned against over the past decade or so. Like our food, the trend now is to prefer our entertainers more "organic" and less "manufactured" and "packaged." But as noble as that seems, it's a double-edged sword. Name me a single American entertainment icon who hasn't risen in largest part due to his/her commercial backing. Prince is a bad muhfuh, but his is a household name primarily because he was SOLD to us... just like Britney, Justin and Vanilla Ice.
We're losing our icons not because talent is waning, but because we don't want them anymore. [This message was edited Tue Dec 2 21:26:01 PST 2003 by Lammastide] Dont get me wrong, I know he was packaged to us..allowing him to reach that icon pinacle status...but even the ones they are packagaing to us or to the younger ones do not have that iconic flair in my opinion..not just Prince. But say..Britnay aint got shit on Madonna etc. Jay-z aint got shit on Run DMC or LL etc... I feel ya. But part of this might be a function of our age. My father went to the grave swearing Prince wasn't sh*t compared to Little Richard and James Brown, for example. I know and believe me--I do NOT want to be one of those "well so and so isnt as good as Prince was in our day" etc
Each generation claims as their own as the best..BUT..(and this is coming soon cause Id hate to see a perfectly good erection "thread inspiration" go to waste)..do they have the STAYING POWER(tm) that ours had? "Climb in my fur." | |
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I do believe that Prince is the greatest single "popular" musician since Hendrix. Due to the longevity of his career, he is likely the most recent black musician to attain true icon status. That being said, he is not the "last great black musician" by any stretch of the imagination. I would submit that Me'Shell N'degeocello (who is relatively unrecognized in these types of discussions) is a great black musician.
As biased a Prince fan as I may be, I now try to avoid making such conclusive statements. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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IstenSzek said: He is one of the last great musicians, period.
Watch any given awardshow where the lot of m are assembled. There is no real royalty in those rooms anymore it's all just young punks or washed up old cats licking up'n'rising star's heels. The days of the 70's and even 80's magic titans is over. It's all conveyorbelt musical abatoir fodder now. No more mysterie. They've all been brought up and cultivated on national television with a camera stuck up every orifice. The concepts are all pretty much the same and the message reeks of homogenised fodder, from the alternative freakheads to the soulsters, they all tread some mellow middleground where everything has been mingled with the other and came out watered down and compromised in the process. The select few that can actually play something and write beautiful music no longer care to be associated with the now newly dubbed "elite" as they are pushed to the fro one after another to shine for a moment and fade out or be a guest presenter at best for next year's awards. excellent analysis and so very true | |
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laurarichardson said: I another European speaking on Black Music who knows nothing. You need go listen to the entire Isley brother catalogue before you make a wack-ass statement like that.
Lol! "Whack-ass" statement or not, what I said was still perfectly valid! Even if I were to go back and gorge on the entire Isley Brothers back catalogue, nothing is going to change the fact that Ernie Isley's style of guitar playing will still be evocative of a bee trying to find its way out of a tin, and many a seasoned Black Music pundit - whether they be from Europe or any other part of the world - would definitely agree with that perfectly appropriate analogy. What's more, you will find that many music reviewers have already been making exactly the same observation over the years and so there is nothing wilfully obtuse or innacurate about that statement. Having said that, the comment wasn't intended to be a derogatory remark in any way and just goes to show that some people will always take offense at the most innocuous observation. As a matter of fact I enjoy the Isley guitar sound immensely, bee in a tin and all! . "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person." | |
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giotto said: laurarichardson said: I another European speaking on Black Music who knows nothing. You need go listen to the entire Isley brother catalogue before you make a wack-ass statement like that.
Lol! "Whack-ass" statement or not, what I said was still perfectly valid! Even if I were to go back and gorge on the entire Isley Brothers back catalogue, nothing is going to change the fact that Ernie Isley's style of guitar playing will still be evocative of a bee trying to find its way out of a tin, and many a seasoned Black Music pundit - whether they be from Europe or any other part of the world - would definitely agree with that perfectly appropriate analogy. What's more, you will find that many music reviewers have already been making exactly the same observation over the years and so there is nothing wilfully obtuse or innacurate about that statement. Having said that, the comment wasn't intended to be a derogatory remark in any way and just goes to show that some people will always take offense at the most innocuous observation. As a matter of fact I enjoy the Isley guitar sound immensely, bee in a tin and all! . --- I am sorry but, your comment comes off as a put down. If you did not mean it that way great but, there are better ways of complimenting someone than your statement. In addition, I have never heard anyone say anything like that about Ernie Isley and I read a lot of music publications. | |
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laurarichardson said: giotto said: laurarichardson said: I another European speaking on Black Music who knows nothing. You need go listen to the entire Isley brother catalogue before you make a wack-ass statement like that.
Lol! "Whack-ass" statement or not, what I said was still perfectly valid! Even if I were to go back and gorge on the entire Isley Brothers back catalogue, nothing is going to change the fact that Ernie Isley's style of guitar playing will still be evocative of a bee trying to find its way out of a tin, and many a seasoned Black Music pundit - whether they be from Europe or any other part of the world - would definitely agree with that perfectly appropriate analogy. What's more, you will find that many music reviewers have already been making exactly the same observation over the years and so there is nothing wilfully obtuse or innacurate about that statement. Having said that, the comment wasn't intended to be a derogatory remark in any way and just goes to show that some people will always take offense at the most innocuous observation. As a matter of fact I enjoy the Isley guitar sound immensely, bee in a tin and all! . --- I am sorry but, your comment comes off as a put down. If you did not mean it that way great but, there are better ways of complimenting someone than your statement. In addition, I have never heard anyone say anything like that about Ernie Isley and I read a lot of music publications. I've never read it either, but I've thought it for years.  And I'm also an Isley fan.Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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The only person I can think of comparable to Prince these days (although he's not black) is Beck.
A solo artist, plays loads of instruments, does everything, loads of styles... | |
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beautifulone7 said: july said: Reply to 'Is Prince the last great black musician? All of the ICONS are gone'
Is Prince the last great musician? black musician? A musician is a musician whatever the race. No need to classify anybody anything other than human. Especially when it comes to music. Prince played all types of music anyways and always expressing his own personality through it. That hardly accounts for a whole race of musicians. No, He is not the last of anything. He was and is a human being. Who's personal expression and bravery made him a legend in his own time. One man on earth giving his art life. His race is never mattered. His talent does. And to all the people around the world black, white, brown all that matters is the emotion he puts forth as a human musician. Yes but Prince is Black.Why can't we claim him and show respect for his varied musicianship without it being taken as something negative. Once we get something/someone to be proud of and share with the world, it seems like everyone comes in with the "we're all one race so forget the Black thing" 
[This message was edited Sun Nov 30 0:20:19 PST 2003 by beautifulone7] I don't agree with you on this. Who cares if he's black? It's only a big deal, for good or bad, if you make it one. You don't see me "claiming" a celeb as "ours" just because they might have Native or Metis ancestry, though quite a few do! I should hope in the year 2003 that groups would be proud of "one of theirs" making it big because they happen to be talented, not because of their race, religion, or sexual orientation. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Lammastide said: This is a tough one to tackle, RD.
The world is a HUGE place. As sheer talent goes, probability alone must suggest there's many more unsung artists out there with the skill, vision and tenacity of Prince. He's special, but he ain't the last of some dying super race or something (despite what TTD might conjecture). As far as someone who could rise to icon status, though, I'm a bit more inclined to say Prince is among the last, for better or worse. But part of this might be due to our own collective hypocrisy... As much as we lovers of "real music"/haters of "commercialism" like to sit around in a sort of high-culture circle jerk, we should acknowledge that as blessed as Prince is, he might this very night be fat, anonymous and playing some filthy unnamed Minneapolis dive if it weren't for the starmaker machine we've turned against over the past decade or so. Like our food, the trend now is to prefer our entertainers more "organic" and less "manufactured" and "packaged." But as noble as that seems, it's a double-edged sword. Name me a single American entertainment icon who hasn't risen in largest part due to his/her commercial backing. Prince is a bad muhfuh, but his is a household name primarily because he was SOLD to us... just like Britney, Justin and Vanilla Ice.
We're losing our icons not because talent is waning, but because we don't want them anymore. [This message was edited Tue Dec 2 21:26:01 PST 2003 by Lammastide] Nice post. | |
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People don't really "play" music anymore. Prince is one of those ones where I do think the term "they don't make them like that anymore" does apply...just as U2 is to their genre.. etc...Artist are sort of like puppets now, with the producers and labels pulling the strings... Clive Davis is probably one of the last ones to really get it. To ask of an Artist of todays culture to be as prolific, talented and entertaining as Prince is asking a lot.
Lenny is nowhere close, I like his music but he is too inconsistant and his lyrics don't leave much to the imagination. Alicia keys has potential. No one seems to quite be able to translate that energy from their lp's to the stage though quite like Prince. I agree with beautifulone7 when says that Prince was packaged and sold to us but Prince closed the deal with his life shows sheer volume of great released/unreleased material. He made you buy into that music maveric who was possesed and consumed by his music. As he legend grew so did he and our interest. 1 over Jordan...the greatest since | |
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Craig David?
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the reason there are no more duke ellingtons and curtis mayfields and prince etc. is because the music ceo's are pumping up that rap sh-- hell there are no more black bands for that matter.name 3. young bloods dont want 2 learn to play an instument, takes 2 much time, they want instant popularity. how u get that? rapping. thats whats wrong with music now. no creativity because there is only so much u can do with a drum machine and a mike.i taught myself the piano and it was fun, it took me 12yrs and im still learning, thats the beauty in real music u can always create.it would b so nice for prince to have some more black brothers on his tip on that guitar and piano to kinda push him.im trying. but aint no compitition out there FOR HIM .nothing but tired ass rap music.where is the ohio players e.w.f. parliment. the brothers johnsons heatwaves con funk shun radio.yea peeps music is dead murdered by the rappers. stickman | |
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