LOL this was inquired in OKP..and guess who was claiming praising suckin on R Kellys dick like Linda Lovelace in Deep Throat?


Some other names bandied about were Robert Randolph...Ive heard some of his stuff etc


but is he "great"

or was Prince the last "great" one?

of course not because there are a lot of unknowns and other underrated ones as well

and I wont even get into the color of it..
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I'll throw Lenny Kravitz into the ring. Love him or hate him, he's a great musician.















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rdhull said:

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Prince would be in the top five in black pop music. Right now we are not seeing a lot of black musicians in blaci popular music. By the why Robert Randolp is pretty good. I do not how long he will be around with the upcoming merger of Warner Brothers.
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squirrelgrease said:

But is he one of GREAT ones? GREAT "musician"?

He is one of the last great musicians, period.

Watch any given awardshow where the lot of m
are assembled.

There is no real royalty in those rooms anymore
it's all just young punks or washed up old cats
licking up'n'rising star's heels.

The days of the 70's and even 80's magic titans
is over. It's all conveyorbelt musical abatoir
fodder now.

No more mysterie. They've all been brought up
and cultivated on national television with a
camera stuck up every orifice.

The concepts are all pretty much the same and
the message reeks of homogenised fodder, from
the alternative freakheads to the soulsters,
they all tread some mellow middleground where
everything has been mingled with the other and
came out watered down and compromised in the
process.

The select few that can actually play something
and write beautiful music no longer care to be
associated with the now newly dubbed "elite" as
they are pushed to the fro one after another to
shine for a moment and fade out or be a guest
presenter at best for next year's awards.

IstenSzek said:

I agree..everyone just seems "regula now. There are no "freaks" left.

There are a few i between...and Im not talking about th eover the top Marilyn Manson gimmick type...Trent is more authentic and real freak to me and he has some of that luster


All of the Icons are gone

Prince is the last great rock star

Yes he is...

he is the last GREAT MUSICIAN.

No! James Brown and George Clinton are still funkin'.

Okay, Let me get into this thing. Have you guys forgot about Michael Jackson , He may be in a lot of trouble now but you have to give the man some credit. A lot of people still love and support him now matter what. I am not really a "MJ" fan but still..

U know what..I'm going to leave before i say something that is just plain wrong..

Peace and much love,

Michele

ConsciousContact said:

That's a claim!

You forgot Bowie.

And Dylan...

shit there are loads to add than just Prince, dude.

Two words ... STEVIE WONDER.

Some people aren't getting your question, RD.

angle1234 said:

People don't consider MJ a musician, he's an (alledged)
entertainer. Follow along...

Hmmm...that's a really good question and one I haven't seen asked before. I do think that Prince is definitely one of the last greats. I agree with Stevie Wonder being up there as well. There are starletts (Pink), stars (Britney), and SuperNovas (Prince, Madonna, Sting, Stones, Santana). Very few people make it to the Supernova status, and only a few make it per generation.

I don't know. It may just be that we haven't yet seen the Supernova for the past few decades yet. I hope the next one is a female. If so, she'll probably get there by being the "anti" to what's going on right now (T&A all over the place all the time).

I once thougth D'Angelo would be the next one, but I don't hear much from him anymore.

Supernova said:

LOL I know..some of them are claiming these people who came "before" Prince etc...Bowie, Wonder etc...where are the Bowies, Princes', Wonders since Prince came and left his endelible mark on music?

Revolution said:

Supernova said:

Reply to 'Is Prince the last great black musician? All of the ICONS are gone'

Is Prince the last great musician? black musician? A musician is a musician whatever the race. No need to classify anybody anything other than human. Especially when it comes to music. Prince played all types of music anyways and always expressing his own personality through it. That hardly accounts for a whole race of musicians.

No, He is not the last of anything. He was and is a human being. Who's personal expression and bravery made him a legend in his own time. One man on earth giving his art life. His race is never mattered. His talent does. And to all the people around the world black, white, brown all that matters is the emotion he puts forth as a human musician.

july said:

Mutherfuckin..god dam it july--do u ever bother to read or comprehend--I mean damn! Did u read where I said I didnt make that orignal inquiry and I said "I wont get into color" etc meaning "and I wont even speak on that " meaning I think thats kind of not important to the main point?..my addition was the icon part and the rest..not the color part. This is exactly what Im talking about why writng things can be difficult as well as dangerous...but when u specifically write something straight forward one would think that folks would get it...

so far, yes.

i'd say so. i haven't seen anybody else with his greatness in my lifetime.

july said:

Yes but Prince is Black.Why can't we claim him and show respect for his varied musicianship without it being taken as something negative. Once we get something/someone to be proud of and share with the world, it seems like everyone comes in with the "we're all one race so forget the Black thing"
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rdhull said:

Yes...as far as musical icons. And Black musical icons. Music is commericialized differently now...there is no need for mega-icons. Talent is not nurtured and then exploded all over the planet like Prince, Madonna, etc. It's much more profitable for record companies to blow someone up right away, juice them for what they can and then move on. The media has gotten away from mega-stardom. So there will never be another Prince type figure because society is functioning differently now.

I wouldn't put Lenny in the same category as Prince as far as media exposure, etc. He's not marketed the same way, imo.

i think the age of megastars and icons has been
over for quite a while. probably ever since the
90's. you still had stars like mike, prince and
madonna, but they weren't shining as bright as
before. now there is no such thing as an icon.
sure, mtv tries to create their own icons, but
imo they don't count. that's just another way
to boost sales, etc.

prince isn't the last great musician, but he could
be considered as one of the few (used-to-be) icons.
true.

Black or white he's the last of a dying breed.

rdhull said:

Well, you did get into color, look at the title of the thread. I thought you were not going to push the race issue. As you did say in the General Discussion forum that it always turns into a race war. Anyway, not to start a debate. It's my opinion that it is wrong to classify a musician by race. All people play so called Funk and Soul and all people can play so called Rock and Roll. Music is music. Music crosses color lines. Prince is a musician first and foremost. He has multiracial band members to negate all the connotations that come with race. To Prince, people are people, Music is music. Why stamp a racial title on a multi styled musician. Is Renato the white keyboard player and John the black drummer? To answer my own question. No, they are both part of the band. Well, to me anyway. Again not to start a debate. It's just my personal opinion. Peace out!

july said:

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Dude, we all know that music is music but in the world of black popular music Prince is the last musician. We are not talking about Rock N Roll, Blues, or Jazz. If you look at black popular music he was the last actual musician.

rdhull said:

Oh right , I get the questio now. Well no , there's been nobody - unless you count P Diddy ( LOL )

"all of the icons are gone" is mine...the other part of the header is taken from okp question