I think Kirky J is worse.

I will never understand the hate for Larry Graham.

This thread wouldn't exist were it not for Larry's JW leanings and his influence on Prince's spirituality. While I'm not crazy about the whole sermonizing/no-profanity trip, I'm sure LG didn't put a gun to P's head and force him to convert. Furthermore, I don't see what the whole JW thing has to do with the fact that LG's a fine musician and an accomplished one at that - hell, he gets my respect just for playing w/ Sly Stone.

Tony M., meanwhile, has always been the measuring stick of suck.

Anxiety said:

Larry G can play the hell out some bass.

automatic said:

Well, one is a lame "rapper" who killed some cool songs and tried to make Prince more "street"...
The other is a talented bass player who poisoned Prince's mind with close-minded religious propaganda and other useless crap...

You do the math...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

Are we assuming that Prince is some weakminded motherfucker whose mind could be poisoned? Doesn't the ultimate responsibility fall on himself?

Abrazo said:

*shudder*

automatic said:

Tony Graham.

BOTH. tony for all the rap and larry for all the crap.

Its close, but I'm going with Tony

stymie said:

When it comes to Larry Graham (a man who he regards as highly as most fans regard Prince) and GOD stuff, yes...
If Larry told him to get his masters back and in the same proces destroy them because they're "vulgar" and it wouldn't secure him a place next to jeebus when he's dead, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd do it...

Neversin.

this LARRY GRAHAM IS A PAIN IN THE BOLLOX he `s rammed this jovi stuff down evryones throat 4 long enuff and if we know Prince he`ll get easily bored with Graham ,,and shove him away ..why the hell does graham have to ruin CHAKA KHANS album by rantin` on the democrazy album about people and supreme power of the people being extreme,,and as you listen to this slurge u know any second now``he`s gonna ram god rite down my throat``he doesnt dissapoint`` by saying god is supreme``


if he would have got his way chaka khan`s album wud not have been come 2 my house but come to my watchtower

Maradona said:

Hey, that sounds pretty catchy!!

stymie said:

The ultimate responsibility definitly falls on himself.

I think there is a weird kind of resemblance between fans of Prince and Prince being a fan of Larry Graham. Many fans would let Prince influence their minds, in fact many have been influenced by Prince, including spiritually. Looking from that point of view it is no surprise that Prince would in turn let himself be influenced by one of hos own heroes, including spiritually.

The only difference is that Prince used to be broadminded on spiritual issues and most fans have been influenced by him in that way. Larry on the other hand is closed minded on spiritual issues (there is only one truth and one God and that is Larry's). Once Prince adopts his views he goes straight against his own former "teachings"and therefore it is logical that many fans detest Larry's influence.

Not saying that it is justified to detest Larry for that, but logical it is, IMMHO.

Romance1600 said:

Larry is the winner!

well, larry at least plays an instrument. he plays it pretty damn tight too. also, he played at the new york aftershow which was a pretty brilliant display of musicianship.

tony m on the other hand has zero redeeming qualities.

Jesus Christ, just cos you may not like where Prince goes, you make it sound like some of his influences stood over him with a gun to make him take certain musical routes.

Those that think that, YOU FOOLS!

I HAAATE Larry Graham - he's the one that made Prince RUIN The Cross. Fucking the Christ ... grrr.

stymie said:

Larry Graham is a living legend. So is Prince. There is no lack of FUNK when the two get together. I'd gladly witness another fine nite of major funk whenever these two want to jam .



[This message was edited Tue Dec 2 5:33:57 PST 2003 by mzflash]

Therapy said:

For some being into Prince is more than the music. It is the words and what they convey. Larry got him into all this JW shit. When he preaches to us not to touch the blood (can't think of the exact song or lyric right now) which is a JW belief and I lost a good friend in a car accident 'cos she wouldn't have a transfusion - then yeah gimme Tony anyday.

Me a fool, maybe but I'm alive!!!

Talking of Tony, does anyone know if he could play guitar? I've got a VCD of the D&P concert and he appears to be playing rythmn for a couple of tracks, and I also think the Morning Paper vid shows him playing rythmn guitar.

Now the ? is - did Prince just give it to him as a prop, so he'd have something to do on stage other than look a complete knobhead. Or is he really playing that thing?

Don't know why I care, but it has niggled me for ages.

Abrazo said:

See, that's what I'm talking about. Many of us have been influenced by Prince, good or bad but no one is trying to see that Prince himself could be influenced. While I feel that P has done a 180 from where he was even five years ago, I don't detest Larry for it.

stymie said:

I don't detest him for it either. I do wonder tho' if he and Prince understand where all the "bad blood"(no pun intended) comes from. It doesn't seem like it...

Abrazo said:

See, then you gotta assume that P gives a fuck about what we think.

stymie said:

We're all better now!

FunkMistress said:

Morning sweetie. See my new signature.

stymie said:

For you?



Anything.

Abrazo said:

i don't "detest" larry for the changes in prince, but i sure ain't glad he came on the scene.

i've never had less respect for prince than i do since hearing about how he and larry performed spiritual rape by intruding on a jewish woman in her own house and WHO TOLD THEM NO and witnessing to her against her will.

i do NOT respect that kind of behavior - i despise it, but even though i'm totally disappointed (i'd thought prince had more intelligence and class than to do something like that) i guess i blame prince and larry equally for this bullshit behavior