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Prince : The Artist (A documentary)

After watching Louis Theroux's documentary on Michael I have decided to embark on a project to make a documentary on Prince for British television. This project is going to take me a long time, buy I’m 19 and I reckon I have quite a bit of time on my side. Amongst my life goals right now I wish to get myself sorted (Back to full health) and get a new job so I can get myself some financial backing. I’m going to do some research (Not on Prince, but on journalism) so I can approach the major TV companies in England and try and sell this project.

I’m hoping it will be the greatest and most valued document regarding Prince’s work, Prince as an artist and Prince in person.

Any suggestions? Can anyone here help?
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Reply #1 posted 11/16/03 2:37pm

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I can help your mind revert back to a sane conditon if you tell me about your mother.
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CAMILLE4U said:

After watching Louis Theroux's documentary on Michael I have decided to embark on a project to make a documentary on Prince for British television. This project is going to take me a long time, buy I’m 19 and I reckon I have quite a bit of time on my side. Amongst my life goals right now I wish to get myself sorted (Back to full health) and get a new job so I can get myself some financial backing. I’m going to do some research (Not on Prince, but on journalism) so I can approach the major TV companies in England and try and sell this project.

I’m hoping it will be the greatest and most valued document regarding Prince’s work, Prince as an artist and Prince in person.

Any suggestions? Can anyone here help?


read up on him.do much as research as u can,research,research.bcuz,some times an events will contradict themselves on dates,so read up. reading
ignorance isnt bliss its....its......its.......a another bit word.......
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More power to ya! But be wise and check some of your findings against some of us who've been fans for quite awhile.
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Reply #4 posted 11/16/03 2:45pm

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Number23 said:

I can help your mind revert back to a sane conditon if you tell me about your mother.


I've known her since I was very young. I can't remember the first time we met. For years we were very close. She fed me, taught me how to walk and talk. Our relations was mainly positive, more ups than down although both were significant. I was smacked as a child when I stepped out of line and I remember that as my dad hit harder than she did she would always call him into the room and instruct him to hit me. I don't consider it to be damaging although it does sometimes cloud the good memories. I still see her room time to time but she left the family home earlier this year. I miss her sometimes when life gets really shity. I've been ill a couple of times this year (still am). Whenever I have any kind of ailment I always turn to her. I can't talk to anyone else about those kind of things, but I can talk to her about them ok. Just to get my worries off my chest does me a world of good.
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CAMILLE4U said:

After watching Louis Theroux's documentary on Michael I have decided to embark on a project to make a documentary on Prince for British television. This project is going to take me a long time, buy I’m 19 and I reckon I have quite a bit of time on my side. Amongst my life goals right now I wish to get myself sorted (Back to full health) and get a new job so I can get myself some financial backing. I’m going to do some research (Not on Prince, but on journalism) so I can approach the major TV companies in England and try and sell this project.

I’m hoping it will be the greatest and most valued document regarding Prince’s work, Prince as an artist and Prince in person.

Any suggestions? Can anyone here help?


read up on him.do much as research as u can,research,research.bcuz,some times an events will contradict themselves on dates,so read up. reading


Already on it. I got a few biog book and videos and the net. Gonna start making a list of things I want to address to people around him, and him if possible. Starting from childhood to the NPGMC recluse he is now.
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More power to ya! But be wise and check some of your findings against some of us who've been fans for quite awhile.


Cool. Thanks for your support. I'll probably be interviewing a lot of fans in person as their easily accessible and would start the program well. It would get people watching in the right frame of mind and introduce Prince well. Don't worry, this ain't going to be anything negative. I won't be portraying Prince or his fans as eccentrics but as people.
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Reply #7 posted 11/16/03 2:53pm

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CAMILLE4U said:

Number23 said:

I can help your mind revert back to a sane conditon if you tell me about your mother.


I've known her since I was very young. I can't remember the first time we met. For years we were very close. She fed me, taught me how to walk and talk. Our relations was mainly positive, more ups than down although both were significant. I was smacked as a child when I stepped out of line and I remember that as my dad hit harder than she did she would always call him into the room and instruct him to hit me. I don't consider it to be damaging although it does sometimes cloud the good memories. I still see her room time to time but she left the family home earlier this year. I miss her sometimes when life gets really shity. I've been ill a couple of times this year (still am). Whenever I have any kind of ailment I always turn to her. I can't talk to anyone else about those kind of things, but I can talk to her about them ok. Just to get my worries off my chest does me a world of good.


hmmm
My diagnosis is a lack of self esteem which pervades your sense of idealism and perfection which you personify as Prince and his world. You are subconciously fascinated his his ability to continually reinvent himself and also to shock and surprise.
Like your chosen life idol, you are an attention seeker and probably had/have a faster wit then most of your friends and associates.
You are easily hurt and probably try and act like a hip streetwise dude among company, but when it's just you and the four walls the only way you feel is lonely.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 15:04:44 PST 2003 by Number23]
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Reply #8 posted 11/16/03 2:56pm

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Number23 said:

CAMILLE4U said:

Number23 said:

I can help your mind revert back to a sane conditon if you tell me about your mother.


I've known her since I was very young. I can't remember the first time we met. For years we were very close. She fed me, taught me how to walk and talk. Our relations was mainly positive, more ups than down although both were significant. I was smacked as a child when I stepped out of line and I remember that as my dad hit harder than she did she would always call him into the room and instruct him to hit me. I don't consider it to be damaging although it does sometimes cloud the good memories. I still see her room time to time but she left the family home earlier this year. I miss her sometimes when life gets really shity. I've been ill a couple of times this year (still am). Whenever I have any kind of ailment I always turn to her. I can't talk to anyone else about those kind of things, but I can talk to her about them ok. Just to get my worries off my chest does me a world of good.


hmmm
My diagnosis is a lack of self esteem which pervades your sense of idealism and perfection which you personify as Prince. You are subconciously fascinated his his ability to continually reinvent himself and also to shock and surprise.
Like your chosen life idol, you are an attention seeker and probably had/have a faster wit then most of your friends and associates.
You are easily hurt and probably try and act like a hip streetwise dude among company, but when it's just you and the four walls the only way you feel is lonely.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 14:54:59 PST 2003 by Number23]


worship Are U a professional in the matters?
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Reply #9 posted 11/16/03 2:58pm

Number23

Number23 said:

CAMILLE4U said:

Number23 said:

I can help your mind revert back to a sane conditon if you tell me about your mother.


I've known her since I was very young. I can't remember the first time we met. For years we were very close. She fed me, taught me how to walk and talk. Our relations was mainly positive, more ups than down although both were significant. I was smacked as a child when I stepped out of line and I remember that as my dad hit harder than she did she would always call him into the room and instruct him to hit me. I don't consider it to be damaging although it does sometimes cloud the good memories. I still see her room time to time but she left the family home earlier this year. I miss her sometimes when life gets really shity. I've been ill a couple of times this year (still am). Whenever I have any kind of ailment I always turn to her. I can't talk to anyone else about those kind of things, but I can talk to her about them ok. Just to get my worries off my chest does me a world of good.


hmmm
My diagnosis is a lack of self esteem which pervades your sense of idealism and perfection which you personify as Prince. You are subconciously fascinated his his ability to continually reinvent himself and also to shock and surprise.
Like your chosen life idol, you are an attention seeker and probably had/have a faster wit then most of your friends and associates.
You are easily hurt and probably try and act like a hip streetwise dude among company, but when it's just you and the four walls the only way you feel is lonely.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 14:54:59 PST 2003 by Number23]


I forgot to mention that having Prince worshipped globally by every last human being will not make you happy.
Pleased, safisfied, maybe, but not happy. This emotion stems from a satisfied mind, something whcih you will only achieve when you have seen off your own personal demons.
Just be glad that you were blessed with the mindset to dig this truly unique guy in the intense way you do.
Let them buy Justin and The Darkness - remember your are what you eat. The same applies to what you hear. All Prince fans are special in some way or another, I have realised.
In other words, instead of blowing Prince's trumpet, discover the chords to your own.
Love ya, man.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 15:07:32 PST 2003 by Number23]
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Reply #10 posted 11/16/03 3:08pm

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Number23 said:

Number23 said:

CAMILLE4U said:

Number23 said:

I can help your mind revert back to a sane conditon if you tell me about your mother.


I've known her since I was very young. I can't remember the first time we met. For years we were very close. She fed me, taught me how to walk and talk. Our relations was mainly positive, more ups than down although both were significant. I was smacked as a child when I stepped out of line and I remember that as my dad hit harder than she did she would always call him into the room and instruct him to hit me. I don't consider it to be damaging although it does sometimes cloud the good memories. I still see her room time to time but she left the family home earlier this year. I miss her sometimes when life gets really shity. I've been ill a couple of times this year (still am). Whenever I have any kind of ailment I always turn to her. I can't talk to anyone else about those kind of things, but I can talk to her about them ok. Just to get my worries off my chest does me a world of good.


hmmm
My diagnosis is a lack of self esteem which pervades your sense of idealism and perfection which you personify as Prince. You are subconciously fascinated his his ability to continually reinvent himself and also to shock and surprise.
Like your chosen life idol, you are an attention seeker and probably had/have a faster wit then most of your friends and associates.
You are easily hurt and probably try and act like a hip streetwise dude among company, but when it's just you and the four walls the only way you feel is lonely.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 14:54:59 PST 2003 by Number23]


I forgot to mention that having Prince worshipped globally by every last human being will not make you happy.
Pleased, safisfied, maybe, but not happy. This emotion stems from a satisfied mind, something whcih you will only achieve when you have seen off your demons.
Just be glad that you were blessed with the mindset to dig the guy in the intense way you do.
Let them buy Justin and The Darkness - remember your are what you eat. The same applies to what you hear. All Prince fans are special in some way or another, I have realised.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 15:01:33 PST 2003 by Number23]


I’ll be honest, the more people hate Prince the more I love him. The reason people say they appose him are the things I like about him the most.

When U say "something which you will only achieve when you have seen off your demons" which demons are you referring to. Do you have a specific image in mind?
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Reply #11 posted 11/16/03 3:10pm

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Wow this is deep.
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Reply #12 posted 11/16/03 3:11pm

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Marrk said:

Wow this is deep.


The Documentary or me. (This is unoffically a 2 topic thread but I like it that way)
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CAMILLE4U said:

Marrk said:

Wow this is deep.


The Documentary or me. (This is unoffically a 2 topic thread but I like it that way)


The way the threads going.Deep. blunt
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Marrk said:

blunt


Good idea, I need one blunt
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Reply #15 posted 11/16/03 3:21pm

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CAMILLE4U said:

After watching Louis Theroux's documentary on Michael I have decided to embark on a project to make a documentary on Prince for British television. This project is going to take me a long time, buy I’m 19 and I reckon I have quite a bit of time on my side. Amongst my life goals right now I wish to get myself sorted (Back to full health) and get a new job so I can get myself some financial backing. I’m going to do some research (Not on Prince, but on journalism) so I can approach the major TV companies in England and try and sell this project.

I’m hoping it will be the greatest and most valued document regarding Prince’s work, Prince as an artist and Prince in person.

Any suggestions? Can anyone here help?


I want to help!
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #16 posted 11/16/03 3:22pm

Number23

CAMILLE4U said:

Number23 said:

Number23 said:

CAMILLE4U said:

Number23 said:

I can help your mind revert back to a sane conditon if you tell me about your mother.


I've known her since I was very young. I can't remember the first time we met. For years we were very close. She fed me, taught me how to walk and talk. Our relations was mainly positive, more ups than down although both were significant. I was smacked as a child when I stepped out of line and I remember that as my dad hit harder than she did she would always call him into the room and instruct him to hit me. I don't consider it to be damaging although it does sometimes cloud the good memories. I still see her room time to time but she left the family home earlier this year. I miss her sometimes when life gets really shity. I've been ill a couple of times this year (still am). Whenever I have any kind of ailment I always turn to her. I can't talk to anyone else about those kind of things, but I can talk to her about them ok. Just to get my worries off my chest does me a world of good.


hmmm
My diagnosis is a lack of self esteem which pervades your sense of idealism and perfection which you personify as Prince. You are subconciously fascinated his his ability to continually reinvent himself and also to shock and surprise.
Like your chosen life idol, you are an attention seeker and probably had/have a faster wit then most of your friends and associates.
You are easily hurt and probably try and act like a hip streetwise dude among company, but when it's just you and the four walls the only way you feel is lonely.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 14:54:59 PST 2003 by Number23]


I forgot to mention that having Prince worshipped globally by every last human being will not make you happy.
Pleased, safisfied, maybe, but not happy. This emotion stems from a satisfied mind, something whcih you will only achieve when you have seen off your demons.
Just be glad that you were blessed with the mindset to dig the guy in the intense way you do.
Let them buy Justin and The Darkness - remember your are what you eat. The same applies to what you hear. All Prince fans are special in some way or another, I have realised.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 15:01:33 PST 2003 by Number23]



When U say "something which you will only achieve when you have seen off your demons" which demons are you referring to. Do you have a specific image in mind?


Philip Larkin wrote this wee refrain. See if you get a tingle when you read it.

"They fuck you up, your mum and dad,
They don't mean to, but they do,
Fill you up with the faults they had,
And then some more, just for you!"

I can't visualise your demons, as I said they as personal.
You are what, 18, 19, 20ish?
For such a young person to admire an artist and person like Prince is admirable, especially seeing as he's making himself invisible to the mass media's demonic eye now.
As I said, you'vfe got nothing to prove. No need for any documentary. Everyone who is meant to find Prince will find them themselves.
Your nature is reactionary. You say when people say they hate something you are drawn to it.
It works the same in the opposite direction. If you are extolting how much of a genius this guy is and how much you love him, then the dudes like you are going to turn away and spit 'No thanks.'
Just the same way you do now to all these sickening syncopathic MTV 'documentaries' on so-called artists you wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.
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Reply #17 posted 11/16/03 3:34pm

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Number23 said:

CAMILLE4U said:

Number23 said:

Number23 said:

CAMILLE4U said:

Number23 said:

I can help your mind revert back to a sane conditon if you tell me about your mother.


I've known her since I was very young. I can't remember the first time we met. For years we were very close. She fed me, taught me how to walk and talk. Our relations was mainly positive, more ups than down although both were significant. I was smacked as a child when I stepped out of line and I remember that as my dad hit harder than she did she would always call him into the room and instruct him to hit me. I don't consider it to be damaging although it does sometimes cloud the good memories. I still see her room time to time but she left the family home earlier this year. I miss her sometimes when life gets really shity. I've been ill a couple of times this year (still am). Whenever I have any kind of ailment I always turn to her. I can't talk to anyone else about those kind of things, but I can talk to her about them ok. Just to get my worries off my chest does me a world of good.


hmmm
My diagnosis is a lack of self esteem which pervades your sense of idealism and perfection which you personify as Prince. You are subconciously fascinated his his ability to continually reinvent himself and also to shock and surprise.
Like your chosen life idol, you are an attention seeker and probably had/have a faster wit then most of your friends and associates.
You are easily hurt and probably try and act like a hip streetwise dude among company, but when it's just you and the four walls the only way you feel is lonely.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 14:54:59 PST 2003 by Number23]


I forgot to mention that having Prince worshipped globally by every last human being will not make you happy.
Pleased, safisfied, maybe, but not happy. This emotion stems from a satisfied mind, something whcih you will only achieve when you have seen off your demons.
Just be glad that you were blessed with the mindset to dig the guy in the intense way you do.
Let them buy Justin and The Darkness - remember your are what you eat. The same applies to what you hear. All Prince fans are special in some way or another, I have realised.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 16 15:01:33 PST 2003 by Number23]



When U say "something which you will only achieve when you have seen off your demons" which demons are you referring to. Do you have a specific image in mind?


Philip Larkin wrote this wee refrain. See if you get a tingle when you read it.

"They fuck you up, your mum and dad,
They don't mean to, but they do,
Fill you up with the faults they had,
And then some more, just for you!"

I can't visualise your demons, as I said they as personal.
You are what, 18, 19, 20ish?
For such a young person to admire an artist and person like Prince is admirable, especially seeing as he's making himself invisible to the mass media's demonic eye now.
As I said, you'vfe got nothing to prove. No need for any documentary. Everyone who is meant to find Prince will find them themselves.
Your nature is reactionary. You say when people say they hate something you are drawn to it.
It works the same in the opposite direction. If you are extolting how much of a genius this guy is and how much you love him, then the dudes like you are going to turn away and spit 'No thanks.'
Just the same way you do now to all these sickening syncopathic MTV 'documentaries' on so-called artists you wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.


Hmmm... Is Philip Larking the one who wrote 'They fuck you up' the incredible book. Hmmm... I think in some ways my parents have fucked me up but in a good way. There are things I don't like about myself although I do like who I am. I don't like my thin arms or the fact that I can't sing to save my life, but Kamille is a fucking nut case and I've taken a warming to him.

And your right about my feelings towards 2days MTV culture, although I'd take great pleasure in pissing on them, I'd just set fire to them again afterwards. wink
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Reply #18 posted 11/16/03 9:59pm

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my suggestion is to read UPTOWN and DMSR. That should fill you in as much as anyone. Try to get Prince's permission. T'ain't going to happen.
The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/
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Much props to Number23 for his Larkin reference. This poem is one of my favorite (like the "coastal shelf" image). NUmber23, u're quite a fella!!
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madhouseman said:

my suggestion is to read UPTOWN and DMSR. That should fill you in as much as anyone. Try to get Prince's permission. T'ain't going to happen.




Agreed!!! This man speaks from experience! He represents the fanzine that tops all of them and has survived many wars! UPTOWN has always been accurate in their research on Prince and if their not sure of certain info they won't bullshit ya. good luck Camille
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Number23 said:

I can help your mind revert back to a sane conditon if you tell me about your mother.





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Reply #22 posted 11/17/03 6:23am

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PEJ said:

good luck Camille


Cheers Pej and thanks to everyone who has made sugestions.
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Hi Camille. Good luck with ur documentary. It sounds a very cool idea and I'm sure alot of Prince fans will help you with information etc. etc.

I think getting the co-operation of Prince's ex-band members, associates etc. could be difficult as will be interviewing Prince himself but if you contact the right people who knows!

I'm thinking of doing a research degree about music industry marketing and I'm going to document Prince and Michael Jackson's careers to see how they compare and to see how they compete against today's artists.

Once again good luck with ur documentary idea!
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Reply #24 posted 11/17/03 3:55pm

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Much luck to you Camille. Let us know when it is done!! No matter how long it takes. Nothing wrong with having a goal and following through with it. Support and love to you.
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CAMILLE4U said:

PEJ said:

good luck Camille


Cheers Pej and thanks to everyone who has made sugestions.




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Reply #26 posted 11/17/03 9:27pm

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madhouseman said:

my suggestion is to read UPTOWN and DMSR. That should fill you in as much as anyone. Try to get Prince's permission. T'ain't going to happen.




Agreed!!! This man speaks from experience! He represents the fanzine that tops all of them and has survived many wars! UPTOWN has always been accurate in their research on Prince and if their not sure of certain info they won't bullshit ya. good luck Camille


Much love PEJ, but I don't completely represent UPTOWN, I am just one of it's loyal researchers and writers. We wouldn't be around without a loyal fanbase of readers who inspire us to continue our research. For example, I can tell you I am very excited about the upcoming UPTOWN book project as well as some other ones that are coming down the pike. Thanx for the props for our passion regarding our research, but the person, and he is the MAIN person behind UPTOWN is Per Nilsen. That man deserves the most praise. I'd also add Alex Hahn on the list of people who deserve praise. He helped keep us afloat and helped us win our biggest battle with Prince.

I am looking forward to hearing the reaction to UPTOWN's next few projects. Thanx PEJ.
The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/
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madhouseman said:

PEJ said:

madhouseman said:

my suggestion is to read UPTOWN and DMSR. That should fill you in as much as anyone. Try to get Prince's permission. T'ain't going to happen.




Agreed!!! This man speaks from experience! He represents the fanzine that tops all of them and has survived many wars! UPTOWN has always been accurate in their research on Prince and if their not sure of certain info they won't bullshit ya. good luck Camille


Much love PEJ, but I don't completely represent UPTOWN, I am just one of it's loyal researchers and writers. We wouldn't be around without a loyal fanbase of readers who inspire us to continue our research. For example, I can tell you I am very excited about the upcoming UPTOWN book project as well as some other ones that are coming down the pike. Thanx for the props for our passion regarding our research, but the person, and he is the MAIN person behind UPTOWN is Per Nilsen. That man deserves the most praise. I'd also add Alex Hahn on the list of people who deserve praise. He helped keep us afloat and helped us win our biggest battle with Prince.

I am looking forward to hearing the reaction to UPTOWN's next few projects. Thanx PEJ.





THank you too madhouseman. BTW I got your note and will call you be4 the weekend! wink peace
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